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I really couldn't believe the piles of garbage people were leaving everywhere. It's as if the whole message of social responsibility, heard everywhere in every tent at Bonnaroo, is lost on these idiots who can't be bothered to find a trash or recycling bin. I walked around the Which Stage on Sunday morning around dawn and saw crap everywhere. People really need to think about their actions and realize their mommies don't clean up after them anymore. PACK IT IN, PACK IT OUT!
And then the mess left in campgrounds. All I can say is it looked like a bunch of spoiled white kids had left their mess for others to clean. Piles of garbage not even bagged remained. This enormous mess detracts from each of our Bonnaroo experiences. What gives, peeps? Clean up after yourselves!! Reminder: a positive change in our world begins with us and OUR actions. ( I'll post a few pics of garbage soon)
We were in VIP, and on the way out it looked just as good as when we came in. ...but, we had to drive passed GA camping to leave, and it looked like a bomb went off. Hippies talk a good game, but damn sure don't practice it.
The hippies cleaned up their camps. It's just that Roo is no longer a hippie festival. As Roo get more and more mainstream, there's more and more trash (and more rude people.) Still Roo is a better experience than most and I'll always be there and always have a clean camp.
not that im condoning it, but it was actually waaaayy better than last year and the year before. the mud tends to make things worse.
i drove by the site a few days ago, it usually takes like a week for them to get everything, and it looked more like it was in reasonablish piles everywhere.
the clean vibes folks will end up sifting through it all for recycling anyhow....
Post by steveternal on Jun 21, 2007 7:47:08 GMT -5
troo said:
The hippies cleaned up their camps. It's just that Roo is no longer a hippie festival. As Roo get more and more mainstream, there's more and more trash (and more rude people.) Still Roo is a better experience than most and I'll always be there and always have a clean camp.
I don't think that's fair-- I surely saw just as many hippie-types callously dropping their crap on the ground as I did non-hippie-types.
Much of this thrown away $hit was from WalMart. Many who came drove alone for thousands of miles. Not much was reduced or re-used, that's for sure. Thanks to CleanVibes, though, it will ALL be recycled, at least.
Bonnaroo gets a step closer to Ozzfest every year. Entitled little brats who care NOTHING about the SCENE, the VIBE, or the PLANET in general. Similar to flushing your turdy self right down the turlet for the sake of the ride. What might have started as a 5% element is now closer to 35% by my estimation.
I did see a lot more trash than in years past. While waiting in line for Demitri Martin, I saw some younger kids jumping on plastic bottles and leaving them there. I told them they should recycle them instead of leaving them laying there, and they just gave me a nasty look and laughed at me. It made me sad ...I don't think it's because of "entitled little brats"..I just think it's a general disregard. It's still sad, but we shouldn't blame one specific group of people for this...
I actually noticed that also - the college boys that were camped near up - packed up and left before us - leaving tarps, tent poles and tons of trash strewn over their campsite - we tried to clean up some of it. Plus - what ever happened to taking your trash to the cans on the road while you were on your way out. We tossed our bags on top of the car and took them up to the trash cans. I don't think I saw anyone else do the same.
When we left - our camp site looked like it did when we got there - even to the point of picking up all the cigarette butts off the ground.
I saw a ton of people who dragged their trash, properly bagged, out to the road.. The folks in the campsites around us were going around picking up other peoples trash as well.
I don't think its fair to single out "white kids" "non-hippies" or anyone. I saw a really straightedge looking family picking up cigarette butts together, while I saw another family toss their food remains out their car window as they drove out. I saw hippies picking up trash and putting their cigarette butts in their pockets, while I saw others tossing trash and leaving it.
^^ I agree with Wooz - you can't single out one group - (well - in my case I can because I know they were college boys camped next to me that left trash everywhere)
My boyfriend and I picked up our area well. Stuff that we would have thrown away we tried to give away to others so it wouldn't create more trash. We took most of our stuff back with us. (Those big tupperware containers are wonderful for hauling camping stuff, towels, blankets, pillows. A great alternative to plastic bags!)
I could tell walking around that many of the people there were of the non hippie variety. The kids 2 cars down from us came in a band new Mercedes SUV and had been throwing everything into one bag the whole time, not seperating recycling. They were big drinkers too, so there were a lot of cans that should have been recycled. It really bothered me when we passed people who were opening up boxes of brand new stuff and throwing the boxes away. I had never been to Bonnaroo before this but I feel like a number of the people that went were your typical rich white kids that liked the mainstream bands and just wanted to go for the experience and to run around like a bunch of drunk morons.
I think the only way one is going to be able to really feel the caring community of a festival like this is to stick to the smaller festivals. The smaller festival we go to in Maine a few times a year stilll has the community vibe, and the farm is always left in perfect condition.
Today is only the first day of summer but I feel like Festival Season is going to fly by this year...
When I said "entitled little brats", I was referring to anyone who acted that way regardless of their age or "hipster label". Be it spoiled frat boys who always had momma do it for 'em, or jackasses that think noone is looking and it's ok, or whatever. The point is that they feel that someone else should do it for them. Entitlement. Sorry for the confusion. If u r a pig, you r a pig, no matter how cool your tyedye might be.
It broke my heart to see trash and recycling together in one bag with the green bag laying empty. As if I have any abundance of faith in humankind to begin with !
It broke my heart to see trash and recycling together in one bag with the green bag laying empty. As if I have any abundance of faith in humankind to begin with !
I have to agree with this one - it is not that hard to use one bag for bottles and cans and another bag for the rest
Post by oleander124 on Jun 21, 2007 10:04:25 GMT -5
They guys next to us weren't total slobs, but they would use our trash bag as their trash bag. I didn't mind that until I had to start fishing out all of their recyclables and put them in the green bag right beside it. I even cleaned up their site after they left. How hard is it put something into the correct bag (or a bag at all)?????
<edited to add> Before the Stripes came out, I saw one guy bend down to pick up some lemons on the ground. I thought to myself, "how cool that he is picking up some of the trash around here before the show". I was wrong because he just picked up the lemons to put them in the empty bowl (rice he just ate) and left the bowl on the ground. It was as if he were organizing the trash on the ground.
I have to agree with you guys. This was my first time, and based on they way you all talk, I was absolutely shocked at the amount of trash I saw laying around. We picked up what we could, but there was so much I should of just joined Clean Vibes. I always field stripped my cigs. I had a pocket full of butts at the end of the day, that all went in my butt can at the campsite. VIP was very clean, but Centeroo was awful bad. We dumped our bags at the cans on the way out, but I too didn't see very many people doing that.
Yeah, I was pretty upset about all the trash that was left everywhere, especially after the late night shows. I mean, really, it's not that hard to hang on to your trash or recycling until you find the right place to put it. Back at camp we seperated everything and had a can for cig butts. I wish people had more respect and consideration.
Post by hotchocolate on Jun 21, 2007 10:45:06 GMT -5
i flew down to get my RV, so we had to buy cheap grills, chairs and tables for the roo.. sorry we had to leave them at the site, but we couldnt take them back on the plane with us.. i'm sure other people were in the same situation..
still, we separated and bagged all our trash.. and left everything behind in one small pile
I could tell walking around that many of the people there were of the non hippie variety. The kids 2 cars down from us came in a band new Mercedes SUV and had been throwing everything into one bag the whole time, not seperating recycling. They were big drinkers too, so there were a lot of cans that should have been recycled. It really bothered me when we passed people who were opening up boxes of brand new stuff and throwing the boxes away. I had never been to Bonnaroo before this but I feel like a number of the people that went were your typical rich white kids that liked the mainstream bands and just wanted to go for the experience and to run around like a bunch of drunk morons.
About boxes (cardboard):
The recycling bags never have cardboard listed as one of the recyclables to be put in there, and I seem to recall reading or hearing that they don't want that in there with cans, etc. With all the boxes that get left behind at Roo, you'd think Clean Vibes would want to do something about getting all that material recycled too.
I think the trash was a little better this year but I also think it was because Clean Vibes was more organized.
Our group helped clean up after The Police and after WSP, we got 2 full bags of stuff. Our campsite was spotless and I picked up crap from all around us, seperated it and left it by the trash cans.
While we were cleaning up after WSP there was a guy with a headlamp looking for groundscore and I told that if he was gonna be wandering anyway he should help pick up. He did. Guilt is a powerful thing. HA!
Hippies DID clean up. Entitled brats didn't. Doesn't matter what they were wearing, it's a mindset.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 21, 2007 11:36:37 GMT -5
on saturday night/sunday morning I stumbled back to my tent and realized that both my cargo pockets in my shorts were full of cigarrette butts that I had smoked all day. It made me realize both that I should cut back on the smokes and also that atleast while my lungs look like shit atleast I did my part for the farm that day.
on saturday night/sunday morning I stumbled back to my tent and realized that both my cargo pockets in my shorts were full of cigarrette butts that I had smoked all day. It made me realize both that I should cut back on the smokes and also that atleast while my lungs look like nuts atleast I did my part for the farm that day.
yeah man, my roo shorts still smell like cig butts... by saturday i was putting them in a ziplock(which, btw, a security dude thought was something else when he felt it.. he got all grinny and then I pulled it out and said hey man.. if you want to confiscate these... lol)
We were in VIP, and on the way out it looked just as good as when we came in.
I noticed the exact same thing. All the garbage was either in the green recycle bags or regular trash bags. I wonder if it has anything to do with an 'older' crowd?
i remember after superjam especially the ground was a complete mess. i tried to pick up some of the stuff around but there was way too much of it. it can't be that hard for everyone to pick up one piece of trash on their way out just to make it easier for clean vibes, but i guess that thats too much to ask for. like some people have said, i noticed that the vip campground was very clean on the way out which made me happy. but looking around at all the GA campgrounds i just thought of what a fun job that must be to have to pick all that stuff up
We were in VIP, and on the way out it looked just as good as when we came in.
I noticed the exact same thing. All the garbage was either in the green recycle bags or regular trash bags. I wonder if it has anything to do with an 'older' crowd?
I don't think it has to do with "older" I think it has more to with experience. Those of us who "get it" do our part, for the rest of them... *shrug* ...karma is a bitch, they'll get theirs. I just do my part and guilt passersby into doing theirs.
I'm proud to say that every year my campsite looks the same leaving as it did coming in. When I'm chilling watching a show I tend to pick up the crap around me. I think it the OCD in me coming out. That and I hate trying to lay down in trash. I noticed that when I would stand up and pick up trash the folks around me that saw me picked up some stuff too. I don't figure that every person will do it but if enough of us do....
I was talking to a buddy of mine afterwards, we both thought this year wasn't as bad as years past. I think the second and third year were the worst by far. The mud made everything worse.