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I feel union memebers have little integrity when it comes to these types of issues. I mean they only care about 1 thing..keeping their job.
In this economy I think EVERYONE'S number one priority is keeping (or getting!) a job. Let alone one that pays anywhere NEAR what you could actually live on. Unions have played a part in helping people keep their jobs especially in bad economies when businesses still want to keep the same profit margin and trim their payrolls to make that happen. I think without unions there would be an even HIGHER unemployment rate than what we have now. Whether that is good or bad....whether the "Right People" should have the "Good Jobs" or not....kinda leads me to this...
I could never work in an environment where I get paid the same as the next guy even though he is a horrible employee. You should get paid on the value you bring to an organization not the start date
In a perfect world, this would be the truth and the case. However, we all know we live in a FAR from perfect world. Are there people who are part of Unions that slack off? Yep. There are also wives/husbands/mothers/fathers/sisters/brothers/children etc of CEO's of major companies that are on the payroll for nothing more than being related to the CEO. Crap is crap and it happens all the time EVERYWHERE....it's who you know and can leverage to get to the next step. I work in an evironment that is unionized (My company is not) and I can tell you that where there is a will, there is a way...whether it is to work the system TO the advantage of certain people or against it. And trust me, people who own/manage/deal with any union KNOW exactly how to connect the dots to get around any unfavorable outcomes. It's just yet another political game.
Intersting comment there about length of time though....I don't know of ANY company of ANY size that doesn't grant long time employees with some sort of "loyalty" perk...whether it is bonuses, more vacation per year, vestment in retirement or stock purchase discounts. So it isn't just unions that work off the "loyalty" incentive model......
I won't stoop to that level. I could easily make comments on both of your appearances and state how can I have a serious conversation with people that look the way you do.
Allow me to paraphrase: "I won't stoop to that level... but I'll make a backhanded comment that stoops to that level anyway."
LOL so how am I supppose to trust somebody that wears crazy looking mad hatter hats, and sleeps in a tent on the street?? Who wears a giant cheesehead hat? So based on that alone I won't take your serious...B/c if thats the game you play many of your pictures make you look like a crazy college kid hitting the recall train to try and land some women. Not a serious person that takes the lives of people serious enough
This was Chicagorooer's response to my May I ask how I am supposed to trust someone who can't spell "Wisconsin" to tell me what's best for Wisconsin? inquiry.
Not that it has anything to do with this, but I by no means landed any women because of this. If anything, what happened at the capitol this winter disrupted things with the woman I'd been seeing for a couple months at the time. Becky wasn't a native Wisconsinite, didn't really care about politics, and wouldn't go near the rallies or capitol occupation. She didn't see so much of me during the capitol occupation. She wasn't happy that there were nights I decided to sleep in the capitol instead of with her. She didn't really want to hear about what was going on out there while it was dominating my life. She didn't like that I quit one of my jobs at the height of the protests, to put it mildly. We lasted about two and a half weeks after the bill was introduced and protests ensued, and that's only because finding time for the inevitable breakup talk put it off by about a week. One of my big regrets about the capitol occupation is that I missed the last of the protesters exit the locked-down capitol to have that talk.
I was thinking about you as well. I took the kids to the pool and I seen several college kids really putting on the show to try and get a little time with the local college hotties. These boys would do almost anything to win her attention. My thoughts were they would even join a political campaign if she asked. I could only chuckle
Again, intentionally misrepresenting and belittling my motivations.
Do these protestors care about Wisconsin or are they simply "cheesed" off b/c the liberals got killed in the last election
Again, leaving it up to the jury to decide whether this is just an attack on patriotism or a personal attack. Personally, I'm offended at the suggestion that I don't care about my state.
I understand Kdogg you don't like a challenge. That's why you bring up me being banned and then in your smug elite way act how much smart you are b/c you have superior message board skills.
This isn't your thread
I don't like a challenge? Really? I'm pretty sure most people around here who know me will have my back in disagreeing with this statement. As for the Quote feature, again: it's neither "smug" nor "elite" nor "superior" to advocate for its proper use if it's something everyone understands how to use with one notable exception.
Take another look and you'll notice my African-American/Filipino friend DGP in the corner there. I'll mention that he's a Muslim as well, if only because I suspect it'll get your panties in a wad. There's obviously some diversity where you claim there is none. Your accusation is flawed.
You get downright nasty and disgusting following your flawed initial allegation. It's not a personal attack on me, per se, but I'm quoting it just to highlight the priority and preference you give to smear tactics over debating actual substance:
Should I conclude these are racist rallies? Should I conclude these people are crazy and out of touch with what the state wants? Clearly they are in the minority.
I'm going to start by pointing out that your remarks regarding SB1070 and similar laws have probably led many readers to have already concluded you don't particularly care for minority rights when these issues arise. You're just playing the "manufactured outrage" card that's so popular with the right. You're not doing it out of principle; you're doing it out of the political expediency of going to any length, legitimate or not, to make the opposition look bad.
That picture is about a quarter of the crowd of Democratic Party volunteers who showed up for our thank you picnic. Our office was open to all who wished to volunteer, and we tried to bring in as many people as possible. Despite trying to cast a broad net, we had no control over who ultimately came through our door. Our volunteer recruitment lists came from people who signed up at the DPW tent at the capitol rallies and from public information voting records. The ethnic/racial diversity of those lists was, again, something beyond our control. It would've been nice having volunteer demographics which reflected population demographics as a whole, but we worked with what we had. If minorities didn't attend rallies and sign up at the DPW tent, sign up at other events/online/anywhere, or vote in past elections (all criteria by which we recruited our volunteers) then these factors influenced our pool of potential volunteers.
I'm not going to deny that Caucasians were overrepresented in our volunteer base when compared to the general population, but it is blatantly false to assert that we were entirely racially/ethnically homogeneous - let alone harboring xenophobic/supremacist intentions. This is Wisconsin, and the simple fact of the matter is that this state's population is significantly more Caucasian than the national average. We worked with the volunteers we had, and we were glad to have each and every one of them regardless of their defining characteristics.
For you to suggest that we had sinister motives coincidental to our demographics in the manner which you did is, quite simply, disgusting. What is your justification for declaring my volunteer picnic as a racist rally? Are you trying to imply a correlation between being white and being racist? Or are you trying to imply a correlation between being a Democrat and being racist? Remind me who the president is again?
There are plenty of legitimate concerns involving race in this nation. The recall elections in Wisconsin are not one of them. In unnecessarily playing the race card as you do, you degrade the discussion of and progress on these legitimate issues. I doubt you care, but there are many justice-minded citizens out there who do.
To borrow a phrase first used against Sen. Joseph McCarthy, one of Wisconsin's own historical right-wing firebrands: Have you no sense of decency, sir?
This video stars CJ, one of the most dedicated protesters I know. (Also Rep. Robin Vos - Joint Finance Committee chair, ALEC puppet, the Assemblyman trying to neuter the recall process.)
He's already been mentioned several times in this thread.
I first met him in the capitol rotunda during the occupation. He's among the group who got the Wisconsin fist tattoos during the first week of the protests.
I shared my story of being in the Assembly gallery when the Voter ID bill passed. I told you some African-American students yelled "Welcome to Wisconsin, Jim Crow!" and were subsequently removed from the gallery. That was CJ and his brother Damon.
I also mentioned events outside the capitol following that vote. Those brothers had a lively discussion with the police about racial profiling and how the bill would negatively impact African-Americans. Also that night, a fleeing Assembly member's (Jeff Stone, author sponsor of that bill) vehicle was chased halfway around the square by a protester? That was CJ, too.
More recently, I gave an update discussing the issue of who actually oversees state elections software. Questioning the Government Accountability Board's Kevin Kennedy at that Democracy Convention panel? Again, CJ. (I would've posted that video in the update, but I figured it was a bit long and wonky for the more general purposes of an update.)
I saw him on Monday night before the Tom Morello show. He shared his tale of his subsequent adventures with the GAB. After leaving a letter with questions about that issue, he promised he'd return for his response in three business days - in this case, that was Tuesday afternoon the day after the show. Part of his promise to return, were there no response given, was that a "six cop minimum" is required to remove him. The response letter skirted around most of his questions; follow-up/clarification questions and open records requests have since been submitted. I suspect something revelatory might come from his catching an unsuspecting state official off-guard, and I sure hope it does.
I'm glad he's on our side. Guys like him make me wish I were doing more.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 10, 2011 13:11:12 GMT -5
Continue your great work Kdogg! We are still fighting in Ohio and are rallying against SB 5, on this years ballot as Issue 2 after 1.3 million signatures were collected. Polls have shown that only 37% of Ohioans supported SB 5, so democracy is winning in regards to this issue.
I am trying to track down a "Vote no on Issue 2" sign being passed out . I'll probably have to make one or buy one. This great little video is circulating right now and I am standing behind my friends who save lives everyday in Ohio and who deserve to maintain their rights to bargain. Once public sector unions lose power, private sectors unions will, and eventually non-union workers will. Every worker will eventually lose, unfortunately.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I'm still trying to figure where I go from here. I've been busy enough that dust is still settling here. A fellow delivery guy left the week of the final recalls, so I had a couple six-night work weeks there. That and other things are finally sorting themselves out enough to have some idea.
I myself have only had three days off since the office closed. I actually had a rare two days in a row off Labor Day weekend. I went to PJ20 at Alpine Valley Sunday and LaborFest/Tom Morello in Madison on Monday. I finally started getting my Wednesday evenings back after missing out on Democracy Addicts this past week. Today was that third day, and it was mostly dedicated to getting items crossed off my post-recall to-do list.
I don't know what I'm doing next. It's not a question of whether but how I will be involved in the Recall Walker effort. A lot of that's going to be dependent upon my employment situation, which I'm hoping to change.
Nick from my Democratic Party field office emailed us all a couple days ago. He says he's taking a position with the We Are Wisconsin PAC for the next round, and we'd be welcome to follow him there. He didn't mention whether this would entail volunteering or employment, and since he said he was going on vacation for a week I don't think I'm finding out immediately. I'd love to follow his lead again, but if comes down to volunteering with him and working elsewhere I have to go with the latter option.
There were some of the Organizing For America people dropping hints my way while we were working on GOTV, but... ugh. I don't want to work for an Obama reelection apparatus. Yeah, he's got my vote and small amounts of my money, but I'm not dedicating my 2012 to his cause. He didn't have our backs here, so I don't know why I should have his back in return. What I do down-ticket will likely wind up helping him anyway, whether I like it or not.
DGP is going to be deputy director for one of the Democratic primary candidates for the Madison area's soon-to-be-vacated Congressional seat. I'm actually leaning the other way in that race, so I'm not terribly interested. The seat is being vacated by Rep. Tammy Baldwin, who's running for U.S. Senate, whose campaign someone else suggested I look into. That I might be interested in.
Another of my leads team members got an internship in a state senator's capitol office. It's actually an office I was told I could come in and internship at a couple years ago, which I passed on at the time because it was about a month before my plan to move to Baltimore with my ex took off like the Challenger. A capitol internship is a bit of a last resort; at this point, tomorrow I could walk into several offices in Our House and walk out with an internship.
Finally?, a friend I know from campaigning in Iowa 07-08 wanted me to talk to him after the recalls. He's in Milwaukee and was asking if I had any interest in working for a political consulting firm. We've been in touch since, but haven't yet set anything up. I don't particularly like the thought of moving to Milwaukee, but I'm curious and at least want to hear him on on this.
What I do know now is that my life is more back to what it looked like before February, and I don't like it, and it has to change. If I were content with having a degree and a shit job, I wouldn't have occupied that capitol in the first place.
Six months later and pictures of myself I've never seen still find their way to me. This sign was a reaction to a comment made by Scott Walker during the "David Koch" prank call, in which the two joked about bringing baseball bats to bipartisan negotiations. I didn't keep an exact count or anything, but it likely got the best reception/reaction of all the signs I carried. I know people wanted more pictures of me with this than any other, and I'm surprised it took this long for me to actually see one.
Updates Wisconsin Legislature is Back in Session.... kind of. The Assembly and state senate, both still under Republican control, have but one day of business scheduled on their calendars the entire month of September. That day was today. The state senate was meeting for the first time since the recall elections changed the composition of the body from 19-14 to 17-16. Their only item on the agenda was the ceremonial swearing-in of new Sens. Shilling and King. The Assembly passed a few measures. Most noticeably, Wisconsin's 2012 Republican presidential primary would be moved back from its usual February to April. Another legislative item they have in the works is stripping the Government Accountability Board of many of its authorities to investigate/require/etc the reporting of campaign donations (and violations) in this state. Also, in possible violation of state statutes, individuals were arrested for filming the proceedings. One of them was Jenna, who you may remember as Batman from my Fort Atkinson pictures. I'm told her arrest was just the "catch-and-release" type, which are often made just to get people away from the situation with charges later being dropped. She says that, while in jail for filming the Assembly herself, she saw CJ on the news being arrested - for filming the Assembly. It is notable that a Democratic amendment to a bill was actually considered and passed. It simply renamed a bill under consideration after a recently deceased Democratic legislator. One Democratic motion that was tabled: convene next week to introduce/debate jobs bills
2012 Senate Race I've mentioned earlier that Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl will not seek reelection in 2012, leaving the field wide open. Adding to the power vacuum in Wisconsin's Democratic hierarchy was Russ Feingold's decision not to seek public office of any kind in 2012. In addition to a presidential election and an effort to Recall Walker, on top of the usual legislative elections after all we've seen, this turns up the political heat in this state even more.
Three Republicans have announced, or are expected to announce, plans to seek the party's nomination. Tommy Thompson: four-term former governor, Bush administration Health & Human Services secretary, and one-time presidential candidate. Mark Neumann: Former Congressman who preceded Paul Ryan in Wisconsin's 1st District, leaving that seat to unsuccessfully challenge Russ Feingold in the 1998 U.S. Senate race, and lost last year's gubernatorial primary to Scott Walker. Jeff Fitzgerald: Speaker of the Wisconsin Assembly
In the Democratic primary, only Rep. Tammy Baldwin of the 2nd District (including Madison) has announced her intention to run for the seat. If she's expected to face a serious challenge, I haven't heard about it with the exception of a long-shot possibility of one of the WI14 state senators. Baldwin vacating her seat means an open Congressional seat in the Madison area - which pretty much ensures Democratic victory.
Thus far, there are two announced Democratic primary candidates: Mark Pocan and Kelda Roys, both representatives in the Assembly. The domino effect will only open up one Assembly seat, as Rep. Roys was redistricted into the same district as another Democrat who just won a special election while we were doing GOTV in July. I unfortunately won't be represented by either of these two without a change of address. I like them both. They both had high profiles during the protests, especially in the absence of the Wisconsin 14. They both were involved with our office, visiting and speaking at our volunteer picnics. Mark Pocan coined the term "FitzWalkerstan," went to New Orleans to try to infiltrate the ALEC conference, shares a birthday with me (even wished it on my Facebook wall ;D ) and donated a whole bunch of his office pens - I must confess I swiped a few. He won his Assembly seat when Tammy Baldwin vacated it to run for Congress in 1998. Kelda Roys is more of a newcomer in her second term, was out in the streets with protesters, was on The People's Mic the same day I was, has been another of the more vocal Assembly Democrats... and DGP has taken a position as deputy director of her campaign.
Those two candidates have officially announced, but that might not complete the field. Wisconsin 14 Sen. Jon Erpenbach may or may not declare himself, which could especially shake things up.
Wisconsin usually holds its gubernatorial elections during midterm years, staggered with presidential elections. A potential Walker Recall makes for a rare year in which President, Governor and Senator are all on the ballot. If Wisconsin has been described as a swing state in recent years, we're going to be a full-on battleground in 2012.
State Employee Fired for Disseminating Voter ID Information A low-level state employee, mail room worker Chris Larsen - not to be confused with WI14 Sen. Chris Larson, was fired from his job after sending an email informing coworkers that photo identification is available for free. This was addressed by an amendment to the Voter ID bill which passed. The original bill did not include this, which would have run afoul of federal laws. "Poll tax" implications. However, DMV employees have been instructed to only issue such identification at no charge if specifically requested. The full text of the offending email:
Do you know someone who votes that does not have a State ID that meets requirements to vote? Tell them they can go to the DMV/DOT and get a free ID card. However they must ask for the free ID. a memo was sent out by the 3rd in command of the DMV/DOT. The memo specifically told the employees at the DMV/DOT not to inform individuals that the ID’s are free. So if the individuals seeking to get the free ID does not ask for a free ID, they will have to pay for it!!
Just wanted everyone to be informed!! REMEMBER TO TELL ANYONE YOU KNOW!! ANYONE!! EVEN IF THEY DON’T NEED THE FREE ID, THEY MAY KNOW SOMEONE THAT DOES!! SO TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!
Another Fake Democrat? The 95th Assembly district's seat is currently vacant, with Rep. Jen Shilling's ascension to the state senate following the successful recall of Dan Kapanke. Contenders have emerged on both sides of the aisle, but not really. Republican David Drewes has announced his candidacy for his party's nomination. Running for the Democratic nomination is Nick Charles. Nick Charles ran for this seat in 2010... as a Republican, challenging Rep. Shilling. He received 36% of the vote then. I am disturbed that this happened at all during the recall process, and I am disturbed that this seems to be becoming a regular page in the Republican playbook.
No video clip this update - CJ & Robin Vos was golden enough.
Upcoming: Fighting Bob Fest, in its tenth year, moves from its usual county fairgrounds in Baraboo to a larger venue in Madison this Saturday. Speakers include Sen. Bernie Sanders, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, former Rep. Dave Obey, Princeton professor Dr. Cornel West, radio host Thom Hartmann, author/commentator Jim Hightower, journalist John Nichols, the Raging Grannies and a whole list of other whistleblowers, activists and agitators. In addition to most of them, I'm hoping to see some of the old faces from around the office in attendance. I haven't seen anyone but Nick & DGP since we closed up shop.
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 14, 2011 13:25:50 GMT -5
The state understands it's every americans right to vote but they also want to be sure of the people that are voting are who they say they are. They also understand that not everybody may have the extra money laying around to pay for the voter ID. So they try like hell to not exclude these people buy allowing them to get free ID cards if they request one
Now sadly forward and others are screaming at the tops of their lungs for ALL people to run and get a free card. Who cares if you CAN pay for it. Get it for free!!
So now instead of keeping costs down at the same time really helping people who can't afford the card the ability to still do so NOW turns into a free for all
So now the state will have to set-up a committe or group to judge each persons ability to pay for the ID and of course set forth strict guidelines to follow. Costing the state a SHIT ton of money..Otherwise they would just hand them ALL out for free and of course cost the state even more money
SAD..people always want something for nothing. Even if it's a lousy t-shirt or a stick of gum..the word free really motivates
Unions perennially raise their own funds from their membership
I loved that comment the most by MR forward. Simply ask yourself why does many labor unions have a waiver from obama care?? How did they get this waiver while the rest of us can't.
Bottom line you won't see ANYBODY at a union meeting stand up against the politics being passed down by union leaders. Very simple don't agree with the union boss on politics then you won't have a job. Union thugs and democrats have been tied politically for decades. Union members are sheep and vote in blocks.
Union made USED to mean something. Now we know it's all BS...most of them are in the parking lot smoking up or drinking on lunch...I support the workers not the thug union leaders
Geesh you can't even get many labor jobs UNLESS you join the union
Now a current member of IBEW 26 (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers). I've been at it for about a month and so I must answer this.
Don't you get, UNIONS are good for BUSINESS, they wouldn't be hired if they weren't. Businesses like experience and specialized skills. When a corporation builds an office, who constructs the building, powers the electricity, set up the walls and flooring. Specialized unions for different tasks.
Businesses don't wanna deal with the hiring of labor workers, they call a contractor and specialized union workers get called up.
It's a general rule of industry. Unions provide labor, companies provide capital.
ChicagoRooer: Union made USED to mean something. Now we know it's all BS...most of them are in the parking lot smoking up or drinking on lunch...I support the workers not the thug union leaders
Damn right you better support the workers, It's fulltime from 6 am-2. And we break for only 20 minutes. And we bust our asses during those hours.
Thug union leaders, as with all positions of power. Can be glorymonging and entitled. But i offer a more discerning eye on corporations. Greedy capitalists who will sell the American flag. Like companies who don't hire American textile workers but those in China and India because they make an hour's pay in a U.S day. And on top of that relax the foreign taxes, so they can keep more of said money generated. And for the personal income, they stash away money from U.S in Switzerland and Caribbean banks. Often to avoid taxation, it's tax fraud but because only the wealthy can afford those accounts. It's become ignored.
Ross Perot warned about the job market being shipped overseas and he was right. Mr.Forward reminded me of that. It's time to take a look at the business model and reorganize it. And overlook and help education so Americans are the best skilled. We need to make it clear that investing in American infrastructure is the best solution. Job growth in America means higher revenue for the state, lessen our debt and our trade with China. I totally support a lower corporate tax with higher taxes on foreign income. Also a better balance of taxeable income and tax breaks. It just disappointing to see how Americans are losing jobs and some blame it on immigrants or unions but not a few (maybe more) US companies who SOLELY exist on profit. Not caring about democracy or America. Mercenaries who have no nationalistic pride. Deserters. As a member of the Commonwealth, I cannot accept that contract.
The state understands it's every americans right to vote but they also want to be sure of the people that are voting are who they say they are. They also understand that not everybody may have the extra money laying around to pay for the voter ID. So they try like hell to not exclude these people buy allowing them to get free ID cards if they request one et forth strict guidelines to follow.
Free ID cards? what you talkin about?
I pay the DMV, i got an official state ID. That's what I use to vote. Voter registration ID is free because you cannot put a poll tax. That's been illegal for pretty damn long.
Post by bamabelle on Sept 14, 2011 21:27:41 GMT -5
So what exactly IS a voter ID card? This is new to me. We have a Voter Registration Card here in Podunk Alabama...but you have to prove residency AND provide a birth certificate or visa/green card to get it. And really, the card is nothing. It just basically gets your name added to the "official" voter register for your voting district/place/location. If you show up to the wrong polling place, it's a mess....it's more for making sure you can vote where you think you are supposed to than any "regulatory" thing. When you register to vote period you have to show that you are a valid resident of the city/county/state/district you live in. And yeah...it's FREE to register to vote. I think the Constitution or Bill of Rights pretty much made that a mandate to keep the Rich from ruling the world or government. Though the rich find MANY workarounds...like having corporations and PACs identified as "personal donors" for campaign purposes. Yeah, me and Apple are certainly on the same level playing field there...
In Wisconsin, under the old law, we had the second-highest voter turnout in the nation.
One could register at the polls the day of the election, provided one had two things: 1. Photo ID (Driver's license, state ID, college ID - anything government-issued with a photo on it.) 2. Proof of residence (A lease, bank statement, utility bill, phone bill from within the past ten days.)
If you showed up at the polls with both of these, you could register and vote then and there. I should note that Wisconsin, unlike many other states, does not require registering as a member of a political party in order to vote. It was also possible to have a registered voter within your ward vouch for your identity/address at the polling place on election day, provided that the necessary documentation was presented within a reasonable time (24? 48? I forget) hours from the close of polls on Tuesday.
The Voter ID bill, which passed in May, rescinds most of what I said above. I was in the gallery when it passed the Assembly.
The Voter ID bill imposed new restrictions on photo identification here. Voters now have to present a photo ID with current address already on it in order to vote. Instead of proving proof of address at the polling locations, voters must have their current address & license updated at the DMV prior to the election. Proof of address must be handled there in advance, rather than at the polls. The period of residency required for voting was extended from ten to twenty-eight days; the period of residency required to run for the legislature remained ten days (another Democratic amendment shot down.) "On the bubble" registrants are neither allowed to have another vouch for them nor have a reasonable period to cast a provisional absentee ballot dependent on producing photo ID/proof of residence within a reasonable time. The criteria for college IDs were so narrowly tailored that no single college's ID cards in the state met the requirements. Early voting periods were drastically reduced. Funds were not allocated to assist the disabled with meeting the new requirements. And so on and so forth. There's a lot of provisions in that legislation which seem to target traditionally Democratic constituencies. Just saying.
All in all, a collection of provisions which err on the side of disqualifying voters, depressing turnout and discouraging participation. It disproportionately impacts students, those who move frequently, the disabled, those without transportation, lower-income people, and those unaware of the changes (for no money was allocated to a public awareness campaign) in terms of qualifying for the vote. The "undue financial burden" aspect of it is what triggers poll tax provisions, which is why the original was amended. Avoiding the prohibited undue financial burden is exactly what DMV/DOT employees are not sharing with citizens seeking to comply with the Voter ID law. Avoiding this burden is not the default, but something which must be requested; the burden is upon the citizen by default unless they specifically ask otherwise.
Which is why the dismissed employee sent out that informational email.
I will defer to Sen. Scott Fitzgerald as to the GOP's true motivations behind this. I think it's the most honest I've ever seen him.
(From March, recall comments are dated.)
I think Wisconsin's system of voter registration was fine as it was. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
As for me, I do not meet the free identification requirements because I have a valid driver's license without my current address on it. I proved my residence with my license plus recent bank statement at the polls last year. Updating my address for me means $15-20 and a trip to the nearest ID-issuing DMV 25 miles away.
I can't help but feel they're trying to make it harder to vote because it will improve their chances in upcoming elections.
Something I almost included in yesterday's Updates but didn't. I thought it was a typical tale of cronyism but the story has snowballed in the past 24 hours.
Here's what I would've written yesterday:
Cynthia Archer, one of Scott Walker's longtime aides who followed him from Milwaukee County to Madison, was deputy secretary at the Department of Administration until recently. She resigned from this post on August 19th, citing "family matters." It came to be known that she was appointed by Walker to a post in the Department of Children and Families on August 18th, one day earlier, and would begin the job on August 20th. While the change in position meant a net $25K pay cut ($125K to $100K,) Archer is receiving over 50% more salary in this new position than several of her immediate predecessors.
What gives it that extra "oomph" which makes it worth mentioning today:
This morning, FBI agents raided the home of Cynthia Archer on Madison's East Side, in what a reporter was told was "a law enforcement action." Agents were present at the residence for about three hours and left with a banker's box of evidence. The raid is believed to be associated with an ongoing investigation into activities within Scott Walker's previous Milwaukee County executive office. That investigation concerns itself with Walker employees' use of county time during Walker's campaign for governor last year. It was alleged that while on county time, members of Walker's staff were directed to write messages supporting Walker and criticizing his opponents on newspaper comment sections and online forums. The investigation already gave similar attention to two other Walker Milwaukee County employees before the raid on Archer's residence today. No comment from the FBI, Dane County police, Gov. Walker's office, Archer herself, or either of the two state agencies with which she has been employed.
Chicagorooer: care to comment on the more pressing issue, that my state legislature convened for just one day this month and refused to consider jobs bills which are ready to be introduced?
It was, after all, the main issue the people elected this Republican majority to address...
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 15, 2011 16:02:53 GMT -5
well mr forward not sure why you want to label me a republican b/c I am not. I do support their positions for the most part but far from a member.
what else can I say congress state and federal represent nobody but themsleves and special interests. ...
In this thread I have simply tied together congress and labor unions. I know how much you guys hate special interests well unions are the biggest.
Congress needs to get back working for the people I dont know enough on the jobs bill to comment either way Lets just hope we dont give anymore funding to bankrupt solar lanel companies
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 15, 2011 16:18:33 GMT -5
@ jury I agree Unions do a good job of training people, and making sure true experts and quality people are on the job. This is true in most instances.
The problem is they have priced themselves out of being competitive. Organizations can no longer afford to pay these high wages and cadillac pensions and healthcare. The union leaders refuse to bend
I am not trying to be insulting but companies don't chose to hire union members. company employees vote on whether they want to be part of a union. Then the union comes in and represents the workers. The business has NO say in whether a union can take shape or not.
What happens is once the union is in place the business MUST then follow the union line and hire ONLY union workers. OR else the members will strike, walk out ect.
state workers , teachers, carpenters, auto workers ect.. THEY ALL belong to unions..I can't be a teacher in the city of chicago WITHOUT being part of the union.
I see unions as a wedge between employee and business. workers rights has been settled long ago at the federal level.
Come on you know this. If a women gets so much as whistled at the wrong way in the work place now a days expect a lawsuit.
Union leaders had a monopoly on labor. Ever try and start a trucking business in chicago and NOT hire teamsters??? Good luck you will see violence
Wal-mart, target couldn't even open stores in chicago until just 1 or 2 years ago WHY? b/c the city labor unions were pissed that these jobs aren't union..So therefore walk-mart ect weren't allowed to open stores in chicago.
Upcoming: Fighting Bob Fest, in its tenth year, moves from its usual county fairgrounds in Baraboo to a larger venue in Madison this Saturday. Speakers include Sen. Bernie Sanders, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, former Rep. Dave Obey, Princeton professor Dr. Cornel West, radio host Thom Hartmann, author/commentator Jim Hightower, journalist John Nichols, the Raging Grannies and a whole list of other whistleblowers, activists and agitators. In addition to most of them, I'm hoping to see some of the old faces from around the office in attendance. I haven't seen anyone but Nick & DGP since we closed up shop.
Sounds like a good lineup there. I've seen Sanders and Hartmann once before, at a Sanders townhall in Montpelier VT. They're both really good.
In this thread I have simply tied together congress and labor unions. I know how much you guys hate special interests well unions are the biggest.
You just earned yourself a fact check.
Top 20 PAC Contributors to Candidates, 2011-2012 Via OpenSecrets
PAC Name / Total Amount / Dem % / Rep % Honeywell International $1,002,216 28% 72% National Beer Wholesalers Assn $924,500 44% 56% Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $826,200 96% 2% AT&T Inc $805,500 36% 64% Credit Union National Assn $706,450 47% 53% American Crystal Sugar $695,500 54% 46% Lockheed Martin $694,000 38% 61% New York Life Insurance $659,500 44% 56% Boeing Co $658,500 40% 60% PricewaterhouseCoopers $651,000 31% 69% American Bankers Assn $631,750 25% 75% American Assn for Justice $620,000 96% 4% Comcast Corp $555,000 45% 55% Sheet Metal Workers Union $537,000 89% 8% Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $533,000 93% 3% National Assn of Realtors $508,900 45% 55% Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $498,050 85% 15% National Air Traffic Controllers Assn $493,680 54% 46% Teamsters Union $492,500 96% 4% Every Republican is Crucial PAC $480,000 0% 100%
So I'm looking at the top twenty PACs donating this cycle and I can't help but notice... Only six of these top twenty are unions; eight corporations are listed by name. Rounding out the top twenty: five business associations & Every Republican is Crucial. There is one union among the top ten; there are seven corporations among the top ten. Eight donated more to Democratic candidates; twelve donated more to Republican candidates. I spy a few known ALEC members on that list.
I crunched a few numbers about those top twenty: Donations made by unions: $3,380,430 Donations made by all non-unions: $9,592,816 Donations made by corporations: $5,721,216 Grand total: $12,973,246 Proportion of donations made by unions: 26.057% Proportion of donations made by corporations: 44.101% For every dollar a union spent, a corporation spent $1.69.
You are correct that special interest money corrupts politics, but you don't follow the money in making your assessment.
If what you're trying to do is tie Congress to labor unions, can you please explain to me how a minority of donations can purchase a majority of power? Or why an even larger amount of special interest money has no relevance or influence in the face of union special interests?
If special interests are the problem, and labor unions compose a minority of what you believe to be the problem, why do you pay no heed to that which composes a majority of what you believe to be the problem?
I know how you feel about special interests and the influence they hold over our government. What I'm trying to tell you is that there are other special interests who have union special interests outnumbered and outspent. Why do you not show them a similar (or better yet, proportionate) degree of fear and loathing as you do the unions?
Today in Lexington, Kentucky outside a Walker speech. I don't know how I feel about the "Walker, go home!" chants
I received at 10:11PM yesterday the following text message while I was out with my Democracy Addicts: "Just went to best western and poured a beer on rep. voss nygren and sudder on film ha ha ha ha" (I get some interesting random texts knowing some of the younger/radical members of the movement...) I don't condone these tactics, but it happened and it's making news.
From the Madison police report about the incident: Incident Type Disturbance Incident Date 09/14/2011 - 10:24 PM Address 22 S. Carroll St. (Inn on the Park) Suspect(s) A 26-year old Madison man has been identified as a suspect. Victim Male, age 43, Burlington, WI Male, age 47, Marinette, WI Male, age 42, Abbotsford, WI Details Madison Police responded to a disturbance at the Inn on the Park, 22 S. Carroll St., Wednesday night after a man dumped a beer over the head of a state lawmaker. The bartender said the man yelled out something like, "Money" and "Damn Republicans." The beer was poured atop a 43-year old Burlington, WI man. It also splashed onto two other state lawmakers. All indicated the suspect swore at them, and called them criminals. He was accompanied by a man with a video camera. The bartender asked the videographer to turn it off. She says following the request, the suspect then took the glass of beer and emptied it onto the lawmaker’s head. The suspect then fled. The lawmaker, who took the direct hit, indicated the suspect has been harassing him since February, but up until this point, it had only been verbal. He did not know the suspect's name, but a female State Capitol employee, who was with the group, was able to provide police with a name, and said Capitol Police would have his contact information. The MPD called Capitol Police and obtained a couple of possible addresses for the suspect, as well as a couple of possible phone numbers. Officers attempted to find the suspect, but could not locate him. He will likely face a tentative charge of disorderly conduct. Male, age 43, Burlington, WI = Rep. Robin Vos Male, age 42, Abbotsford, WI = Rep. Scott Suder (These two were in the video I posted a few days ago.) Male, age 47, Marinette, WI = Rep. Dave Nygren (Remember when a sitting member of the Assembly was two signatures short of getting on the recall election ballot because he & his wife did not sign his own petition? Yeah, that guy )
No suspects were apprehended last night, and I haven't properly followed up since I worked tonight, but... I was told a group of approximately fifty people were going to show up at the Madison police department at 5pm to turn themselves in for the crime.
If special interests are the problem, and labor unions compose a minority of what you believe to be the problem, why do you pay no heed to that which composes a majority of what you believe to be the problem?
I know how you feel about special interests and the influence they hold over our government. What I'm trying to tell you is that there are other special interests who have union special interests outnumbered and outspent. Why do you not show them a similar (or better yet, proportionate) degree of fear and loathing as you do the unions?
I don't know why you bother.
While the fact checking is interesting for the rest of us, the guy is a troll and is never going to get it to matter how much you say or do.
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 16, 2011 15:07:11 GMT -5
[quote}If what you're trying to do is tie Congress to labor unions, can you please explain to me how a minority of donations can purchase a majority of power? Or why an even larger amount of special interest money has no relevance or influence in the face of union special interests?
If special interests are the problem, and labor unions compose a minority of what you believe to be the problem, why do you pay no heed to that which composes a majority of what you believe to be the problem?
I know how you feel about special interests and the influence they hold over our government. What I'm trying to tell you is that there are other special interests who have union special interests outnumbered and outspent. Why do you not show them a similar (or better yet, proportionate) degree of fear and loathing as you do the unions?[/quote]
sorry still not good at the quote thing but I tried here
1) simple!! The MAJORITY of donations (non labor unions) are spread around to republicans. green party all over the place. The minority (labor money in this instance) is ALMOST ALL focused towards the democractic party. Labor doesn't donate to anybody but democrats for the most part. The majority (non labor) money will donate to dems, republicans green party ect...Unions support democrats...Your question wrongfully assumes ALL non labor organizations support republicans. However I can see the confusion since almost all labor does support democrats only. I never stated once that the (non labor special interest groups dont yield any power) However I am not paying the salary of non union workers
2) I certainly do. I have mentioned the need for term limits to help reduce the impact that special interest groups have on congress. However I don't jump all over the evil corporations simply b/c they are a private company. While in wisconsin and many other states the public workers are union and recieve it's funding from MY tax dollars. SO I care about who my tax payer dollars go to. Since I am not paying for comcasts healthcare, pension and salary I don't have the right to bitch about how they spend their money. That wouldn't be very american. Are you suggesting I shouldn't focus on who my tax dollars go to
Thanks for the facts. It's very interesting to see "sheet metal workers union" and others on the list. So six out of the top 20 contributers don't make a product, good or provide a service. ALL they simply do is collect union dues??? Then take this union dues and give it ALL to democratic canidates. ..Look at the electirc workers THEY give 2% to republicans>> The list is clear unions are biased against republicans while major corportations dondate on a more even level..certainly not as lop sideded as labor unions
That shows the power these middle man thugs have. Not only do they wedge themselves in between business and employee BUT they also manage to be able to raise enough funds to donate at such a level with major corporations that have products, good and services ranging in the billions.
That to me is very surprising
Donations made by unions: $3,380,430 Donations made by all non-unions: $9,592,816
What % on the union $'s went to a democrat..what 90 plus percent??....how much of the non-union labor went to democrats..40-50%.. This is the real answer.
You failed to realize non union shops donate at a higher clip to democrats that union shops do to republicans...It's not even close.
This makes sense. Non-union shops (corporate america) don't push a political agenda all day everyday at the office. You can be dem, rep, whatever you like. THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN LABOR UNIONS. THEY are all democrats and they ALL vote democrat or else they won't have a job
If special interests are the problem, and labor unions compose a minority of what you believe to be the problem, why do you pay no heed to that which composes a majority of what you believe to be the problem?
I know how you feel about special interests and the influence they hold over our government. What I'm trying to tell you is that there are other special interests who have union special interests outnumbered and outspent. Why do you not show them a similar (or better yet, proportionate) degree of fear and loathing as you do the unions?
I don't know why you bother.
While the fact checking is interesting for the rest of us, the guy is a troll and is never going to get it to matter how much you say or do.
If you read his old, old posts, you will see that his feelings about Unions are shaped by a personal experience. Opinions based on such strong experiences are rarely ever going to change. And surely he must realize that for those of us who have been, or have watched other hard working Americans be lifted out of the poverty that is often a part of being "working class", and into a decent wage and some decent benefits because of our Union affiliation are also not going to change our minds. Our personal experiences have shaped our beliefs as well, so I'm not sure why he continues to bother either. I will likely never change my mind about Unions because I'm so glad to be off of welfare and out of the projects. Prior to being a nurse I was a social worker. My starting salary for a mental health agency back in 1999 would have been $19,000.00 a year. When I moved and found a Union job, my starting salary was $26,000.00 because of the Union having worked hard to assure that after having earned a $40,000 dual BS education, I could earn a living wage.
Anyways, what I am rambling about is that maybe it is best to just press the ignore button on this guy because he isn't going to change his mind, we aren't going to change ours.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 18, 2011 10:05:36 GMT -5
@loveluck laughter...sure I have my views and forward and others have theirs...maybe we change maybe we dont but things like this need to be discussed
I am glad unions helped you out. to me it appears you are smart, hard working and wanting to better your lot in life. I believe you could have achieved the same success without unions
See he term liveable wage is skewed...We can no longer afford to pay people 40/hour to push buttons on the assembly line. Those days are gone. If business can't make a profit due to rising labor costs in the US driven up by greedy unions they jump to china
Many of these union labor jobs are low skilled positions. Illegal immigration has also forced labor wages in the tank. I see it all over my town. illegal immigrant labor doing the work americans use to do. For a LOW cost and guess what the work is outstanding!! I myself have hired several folks who were probably illegal but they did a great job and saved me some real cash
This is the reality today in america. So if liberals want an open border AND "liveable wages" for unskilled laborers sorry you can't have it both ways
The unemployment rate for those with a college education is right about 4% which is standard. We know it's much higher for non college grads...This is where the labor unions fall. No college, low skilled...yet demand open borders and now you have a problem
Close the border, get union leaders to open their eyes about how they are pricing themselves out or get out the way..then perhaps the laborers of america have a chance
in the short term illegals rule the day in the labor market...Unions are pricing their members hourly rate WAY to high so business can't make a profit
Post by bamabelle on Sept 19, 2011 21:03:59 GMT -5
I might take this arguement into consideration except...it's becoming apparent to everyone watching the markets and world economies today that China and the other outsourcing outlets that have always provided cheap labor for American Companies are starting to level out to the point that labor and goods coming from outside the US are quickly becoming competitive with products made within the US under UNION rule. How do you explain that? I think it's pretty simple economics 101...when demand is high, then the market sets the price. At first, the outsourcing made sense because the American companies could fulfill large quantity orders at a low cost per item. But as the technology and skill of the overseas workforce grows, they have realized they can charge a higher price for their goods and so they have put themselves in direct competition with American manufacturers. The fact is, unskilled labor is NOT what drives economies. Economies can benefit from the explotation of unskilled and uneducated workers, but only for a limited period of time. In the end, as usual with most things, it all evens out and then it's just a matter of WHO and WHERE you choose to buy your goods.
Don't worry, if it's not China then there will be some other third world country to exploit. Whether it be Mexico, Vietnam, somewhere in Central America, maybe an African country without constant warfare.
Post by chicagorooer on Sept 20, 2011 14:12:20 GMT -5
bama...I don't see it flattening out right now. A vast bulk of the manufacturing in america is now gone over seas. Obama's energy company that recently went belly up can't compete with low wage earners in china ect.
I do agree that in some respects in the future things will even out. You can see that with IT folks in India. They are demanding higher wages.
However as somebody stated if china labor becomes costly they will outsource the labor to another nation.
In the end larborers in america are finished. They will no longer be able to command the same wages they did before. In addition to healthcare, pensions and the back breaking regulation that comes with hiring an american. SO for now it's cheaper to outsource and I suspect that will always be the case
Funny thing is democrats support open borders..Let anybody come to america and make a better life no rules. Then democrats get mad when illegals are taking jobs away from union members for these labor positions...how can you explain that??
That is the problem with unskilled labor...or labor in general. It doesn't take a high IQ to handle one of these jobs
Fighting Bob Fest took place on Saturday. It is an event which bills itself as "a ProgressiveChautauqua." This was the tenth annual event, held for the first time at the Alliant Center in Madison instead of a county fairgrounds further north.
To give some frame of reference, it's the third-largest venue in Madison behind UW's Camp Randall and Kohl Center, capacity 10K without floor seating. I'll say for reference that it's the place where the top acts on a Bonnaroo lineup would play (Dylan, Petty, NIN, Beastie Boys, weezer, Tenacious D, Tool...)
For what should be obvious reasons - growing attendance in general, an expected spike in interest this year and proximity to the capitol - the event was relocated this year. It was my first year going myself, but I'd been interested for a while.
Finishing a cigarette before I went inside, my high school history teacher called my name and yelled at me for smoking. Love it.
Speakers included: Sen. Bernie Sanders - independent of Vermont Rep. Tammy Baldwin - Madison's Democratic Congresswoman & U.S. Senate candidate Dr. Cornel West - Princeton professor, author, activist Thom Hartmann - progressive talk radio host & author Jim Hightower - author/columnist & former Texas Agriculture Commissioner Dave Obey - former WI Democratic Congressman & Chairman of House Appropriations Committee
As well as BBC reporter Greg Palast, Mike McCabe of watchdog group Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, John Nichols of The Nation/The Capital Times, a farmer, a feminist, the firefighters' union president, a Fighting Bob biographer, a few other Democratic elected officials, the mayor, the Raging Grannies, and a few others on the bill. I arrived shortly after noon, so I mostly caught the bigger names on the bill.
The organizers claim it's the largest annual political festival in the country. Despite being in direct conflict with the Badger game, it brought I'd say 7500 people. There were enough there that the upper level of seats had to be opened up because the lower level & floors were full.
Themes that sprung up throughout the day (though it was officially "Class War: Fight Back") were increasing wealth inequality, concentration of wealth/power, corporate irresponsibility, open/transparent government, populist appeals for citizen action... aside from the protests and the recalls, topics that came up included the Occupy Wall Street protest beginning that day, Fukushima, the Keystone XL pipeline, and Rick Perry. There were also side sessions taking place opposite the main speakers, but I didn't catch any of them.
Sen. Bernie Sanders was the headline speaker, and though everyone was scheduled for a half hour he went for more like 45 minutes. Bernie is the new favorite Senator of many Russ Feingold fans in his absence from the chamber. His entire speech is here, and various other speakers from the day are also on that channel. Pretty much the entire hallway was lined with tables representing various merchants and organizations. Just walking through, I knew the guys working the Iraq Veterans Against the War and Progressive Dane party tables. Among the more popular tables, from what I could tell, were United Wisconsin's Recall Walker table, the ALEC Exposed table, a meet & greet with the editor of the We Are Wisconsin book, and one particular merchandise table.
I kind of splurged. I got the book signed by the editor. I finally got myself a "Recall Scott Walker" shirt to wear while collecting signatures, and while I was it it I couldn't not buy a shirt with Prohibition protesters marching with "We Want Beer" signs. The hottest-selling item there was this limited-edition board game:
Post by bamabelle on Sept 20, 2011 21:17:57 GMT -5
I disagree. I think we are on the verge if not the front end of the flat period. With the US economy in the worst shape it's been since the Great Depression (some "experts" say possibly worse) and the realization that outsourcing is becoming more expensive....whether it's China, Mexico, Taiwan....and with the resurgence of recent "Made In America" stories that are being regularly featured on national TV I think things are starting to revolve back to at least a less slanted playing field. Will it ever be equal or the same as it was at the height of American manufacturing dominance? No...but the trend of foreign motor companies building plants in America to save on import fees and costs of materials...and the more competitive sales from small manufacturers in the US is making more than a small dent in turning things around. As for the argument that there will always be cheap labor to outsource to...in theory that is correct. But honestly....anyone who understands the politics of Africa, Latin America and especially Mexico would understand that even IF you get a contract to outsource all bets are off as to what you will ACTUALLY get due to the instability of the economies of those countries. Why not pay $0.05 more per piece and KNOW you will get it than go cheap and pray some drug lord doesn't intercept the shipment on the way in or out.....
As for the pensions, insurance etc....those things are being bartered away faster than you can say them....yes the Unions we once knew are probably dead and gone. But that doesn't mean that there will not be Unions in some form for the forseeable future and beyond.