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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 7:07:34 GMT -5
As a small business owner they are REQUIRED by LAW to pay UNIEMPLOYMENT tax's yet they are NEVER allowed to collect unemployment when they them selves are laid off due to lack of work. But hey your right a teacher should only have to pay for ten years and then recieve for the rest of there lives.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 8:14:13 GMT -5
Yes of course it's all about my grammer. Not the fact that I'm required to pay into something I'm NEVER EVER allowed to use because I DRAW a paycheck off of my business. That way I can NEVER EVER loose my home or my land. So please tell me some more of your investment. Cuz when I'm laid off theres thirty other people LAID OFF see they all have wives and kids to take care of off of what I pay them no work for me means no work for them means NO PAY for me. Yet they at least have UNEMPLOYMENT to fall back on WHAT tell me exactly do I fall back on.
Oh I know teachers pay tax's my sister is a teacher who has free health care for the rest of her life as well as she can NEVER be fired due to ten year. .
um yeah, don't know what lala land you are living in, b/c i am a teacher and i most certainly pay taxes AND i still pay a premium for my insurance (and so do ALL tenured teachers in my district). in fact, i pay MORE on my premium than i did when i worked at nordstrom's dept store!
also, that's BS about NEVER being fired....it is true that is very, very difficult to be straight out fired as a teacher but if you do something wrong enough they will most certainly get rid of you in one way or another.
and please don't act like politics such as "THEY HAVE MONEY", doesn't work in many different situations that has nothing to do with schools. let's just use linsay lohan as an example (girl is a druggie who has committed like 8 million crimes, yet seems to be running free).
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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 9:45:14 GMT -5
Hers what I know my siste has to molest a student in some fashion in order to be let go. She is not required to hold a certain level of pass fail because in N,Y, "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" means just that it's summer school and move along now. If you can cover an entire year of school in 8 weeks cuz thats how long summer school lasts up here then why are'nt we only sending kids to school for 8 weeks. Also up here not every school is required to hold summer school only one or two per county seems to be the norm. which means driving your child up to an hour twice a day.And for those really lucky parents whos child only failed one subject you drove all that way for one one hour class then drive home to drop your child off so you can now get to your job.
I personally, am less concerned with your spelling and more worried about your gross over generalizations....many of which are nowhere near what reality actually is.
I guess that is how it always is for most of the masses.
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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 18:42:06 GMT -5
I never said every state in union had the same rules for how teachers are paid or what there benefits are I just know what they are here in ny due to the fact that I live here in ny. Also my sister is a teacher with tenure here in ny.
not the right thread, but i always like when someone says something to the effect of "most of the masses"
has anyone ever noticed how the masses at music festivals generally tend to be one side of the political spectrum? most of the artists promote liberal causes (maybe not at every show, or every song), so i guess its no wonder why most of the attendees tend to be left-leaning thinkers. i could be wrong, but doesnt some TOOL track start with maynard saying "think for yourself"? seems to me that popular culture and the icons have a lot of influence on the way people think, and that is probably why an overwhelming majority of people at music festivals think the same (give or take a coulple of issues)
like i said, probably the wrong thread for this, but the "most of the masses" statement reminded me that i wanted to post this thought for a while. now please, most of you continue with the bashing of the gov and reps that wisconsin voted into office.
Post by suspendedzen on Mar 19, 2011 19:42:21 GMT -5
Yeah, thousands of people are busting their ass, devoting their time to a cause and an effort, walking door to door, and sleeping on spent pizza boxes (if sleeping at all) because the bands at music festivals told them to.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 20:29:00 GMT -5
So how high would you l.ike for your school and property taxes to go? I know lets increase the price of food by taxing it to pay for those increases that belong to all those unionized workers. Or gas can always be more. I know lets let every business pay more in taxes even ones like mine that only have ten employes. That way on top of my never being able to use the unimployment benifits that are leagly taken out of my check each week . My business can give even more taxes there bye enableing me to fire or just not rehire one in the spring when things start up again. Yes thats the solution just eliminate small business and lets all join a union they after bring so much work here in the northern tier of N,Y.
Post by suspendedzen on Mar 19, 2011 20:40:55 GMT -5
I propose we cut the stuff that's more expensive (back to reality here) than education. No more corporate welfare...none, zero, they will have to actually pay taxes and foot the bill for their own developments and expansions.
We just entered a THIRD WAR and presently have a military presence in at least 177 countries. Yes, at least 177 countries. We spend at least 1.2 trillion on militarism every year.
End the War on Drugs. We spend tens of billions on this every year (plus the cost of incarceration...at least one half of US prisoners are on drug charges, the majority thereof for marijuana). Between cutting out the huge costs and adding the new tax revenue, we are looking at a swing of at least 100 billion dollars per year.
When we're talking about stuff like teachers, nurses, EMTs, lunch ladies, and the working poor & corporate welfare and militarism, we are talking about the difference between thousands/millions/and low billions of dollars vs. high billions and trillions of dollars.
The cost to Wisconsin taxpayers for the entire UW system in one year is 1.1 billion. Any idea how many 1.1 billions fit into the 1.2+ trillion we spend on militarism?
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 19, 2011 21:06:02 GMT -5
I personally am stunned that marajuana did not pass in California with all the hippies out there. The revenue that would be generated would have eliminated there debt or cut it considerably anyway. But hay the way our country works is the money lies to the populous. Proof of this is on every pack of cigarettes in the form of the surgen generals warning. When I was eleven and started smoking the pack was 75 cents and the warning said "it may cause low birth weight in children" in the end I quit because cigarettes were going to 3.75 a pack and the surgen generals warning said "the use of this product has been linked to asthma ". So when are they going to tell the truith and say "the use of this product will kill you"? Thats right NEVER because they own more of our gouvernment than we do. Now I have'nt smoked a "death stick" in ten years and I have gone from not being able to walk 15ft with out stopping to climbing several sets of stairs while carring 100 lbs of electricle tools with out stopping and not being out of breath.
I propose we cut the stuff that's more expensive (back to reality here) than education. No more corporate welfare...none, zero, they will have to actually pay taxes and foot the bill for their own developments and expansions.
where was this thought when we had the auto and bank bailout?
i dont really expect anybody to believe me, but a lot of the political talk on here, i usually side with, and therefore never come out and express interest. when i do make a political opinion on here it is because i know that 99% of those that actually follow the political threads will have a completely different view then me, and i like to instigate...that, and i believe in what it is i'm saying.
nice try, nitetimeritetime. i am more than i post.
The guy whose arguments consist entirely of right-wing talking points is talking about thinking for yourself. Hilarious.
please tell me where i said that musicians at festivals tell people what to do, because after re-reading i am not seeing that i wrote that.
musicians supporting unions (tom morello), gay/lesbian (lady gaga), immigration (any latin band, shakira, etc), bashing pres bush (dixie chicks, um...every popular icon), campaign/support concerts (grateful dead). geez, seems like most musicians do do a lot politically, and let's see...yep, all liberal causes.
I propose we cut the stuff that's more expensive (back to reality here) than education. No more corporate welfare...none, zero, they will have to actually pay taxes and foot the bill for their own developments and expansions.
where was this thought when we had the auto and bank bailout?
i dont really expect anybody to believe me, but a lot of the political talk on here, i usually side with, and therefore never come out and express interest. when i do make a political opinion on here it is because i know that 99% of those that actually follow the political threads will have a completely different view then me, and i like to instigate...that, and i believe in what it is i'm saying.
nice try, nitetimeritetime. i am more than i post.
This voice was speaking in opposition to all of the bailouts and stimuli, whether it was Bush's (banks, etc) or Obama's.
I hope my daddy, Tom Morello, isn't too mad at me for straying too far from his iron grasp over all my thoughts and opinions.
The guy whose arguments consist entirely of right-wing talking points is talking about thinking for yourself. Hilarious.
While most of the people's arguments on here consist entirely of left-wing talking points, and you all pat each other on the back with your group think.
I propose we cut the stuff that's more expensive (back to reality here) than education. No more corporate welfare...none, zero, they will have to actually pay taxes and foot the bill for their own developments and expansions.
We just entered a THIRD WAR and presently have a military presence in at least 177 countries. Yes, at least 177 countries. We spend at least 1.2 trillion on militarism every year.
End the War on NO NO WORD!!!. We spend tens of billions on this every year (plus the cost of incarceration...at least one half of US prisoners are on NO NO WORD!!! charges, the majority thereof for marijuana). Between cutting out the huge costs and adding the new tax revenue, we are looking at a swing of at least 100 billion dollars per year.
When we're talking about stuff like teachers, nurses, EMTs, lunch ladies, and the working poor & corporate welfare and militarism, we are talking about the difference between thousands/millions/and low billions of dollars vs. high billions and trillions of dollars.
The cost to Wisconsin taxpayers for the entire UW system in one year is 1.1 billion. Any idea how many 1.1 billions fit into the 1.2+ trillion we spend on militarism?
The reality is we need to cut everywhere. But cutting a ton of the "defense" budget would be a good start.
The guy whose arguments consist entirely of right-wing talking points is talking about thinking for yourself. Hilarious.
While most of the people's arguments on here consist entirely of left-wing talking points, and you all pat each other on the back with your group think.
Congrats.
In fact, most people here support their arguments with links, detailed arguments that cite credible sources, or at the very least answers to people who disagree with them after they have been challenged. Jigawig, on the other hand, spouts right-wing talking points, and then when challenged does one of three three things: 1. says he will provide more research to prove his point later and never does, 2. changes the subject with yet another Fox/Beck/Rush talking point, or more commonly, 3. just disappears for a few months.
Yes, people here will use left-wing talking points. But then when challenged, they can and will explain why they believe those talking points. If jigawig did that, he would deserve more than ridicule. As it stands, he is a proven liar who you do not want to associate yourself with unless you too want to become a sad joke like he is.
Post by suspendedzen on Mar 20, 2011 0:28:34 GMT -5
The main participant in this thread is literally on the streets involved in an actual issue he has taken the time to understand quite well and cares very deeply about. That is about as far from being mindlessly talking-point/celebrity driven as you can get.
The guy whose arguments consist entirely of right-wing talking points is talking about thinking for yourself. Hilarious.
please tell me where i said that musicians at festivals tell people what to do, because after re-reading i am not seeing that i wrote that.
musicians supporting unions (tom morello), gay/lesbian (lady gaga), immigration (any latin band, shakira, etc), bashing pres bush (dixie chicks, um...every popular icon), campaign/support concerts (grateful dead). geez, seems like most musicians do do a lot politically, and let's see...yep, all liberal causes.
i dont know, you come to a conclusion
You might as well write that on a chalkboard and start fake crying while you're at it.
not the right thread, but i always like when someone says something to the effect of "most of the masses"
you realize i wasn't even speaking about politics?? just about how most people in general have many misconceptions about benefits/duties/etc associated with being a teacher.
I do not like to get political. I like more jokes, funny haha and add in some shock value and that makes up 98% of my post, but today I will speak. Have you noticed how the war is not between the rich and the middle working class. The downward turn in out economy has been caused by the rich, the bankers, the politicians, the bailouts, (yes they made it look like they were helping the middle class with some of that money by offering ideas like cash for clunkers, buy really? did not help me). Now, instead of us being pissed at them, they have turned the argument away from them and on to us. The argument is not between the guy in the suburbs vs the guy living in "Rich man Hills". The argument is between neighbors, between teachers, between street cleaners, nurses, firefighters, policemen, lunch ladies, and the rest of the working class. We are arguing about how much you make and how much I do not make. I want to let you in on a little secret, Teachers, being the big ballers they are, do not make sh!t! For the work they do, the time they put in, they do not get paid for the effort they put out. Yes some of those teachers are lazy no good fucks, but the majority of teachers are not getting paid for what they do and they should! They are teaching our children and building the foundation for future America. They are doing what a lot of parents are not doing, raising our kids! Okay, teachers are under paid. Back to us arguing amongst ourselves. This is what the rich want. Redirect the aggression off them and turn that aggression towards your neighbor and while your add it save us(the rich) some money by lowering our taxes. Republican talking point, "If you want to create jobs, give tax breaks for the ones with the money, so they will loosen their wallet and start building small business, in turn creating jobs" BULLSH!T!!! In 1994(yes I know our economy was different then) when Bill Clinton took office taxes were raised! When he left office we were in a surplus! Then someone convinced us that we were going into a recession(we were not, we just had a freaking SURPLUS) and we need to cut taxes to stimulate the economy. Taxes were cut and to make the deal taste good to us, the lower wage workers, we got a ~$500 check in the mail, called it a Bush Tax Credit. How yo gonna complain about tax cuts on the Rich, when you just got a check in the mail? Raising taxes on the rich is not going to "stall" our economy. Give us our money back. We are the ones working. If it were not for Unions, we would not have overtime, 40-hour work week, minimum wage. It is because of Unions we have the great working conditions we have today. Now lets tear down the Union because they are making too much money?! Private pay is based on what Union workers make, when the union worker makes less, you make less. Am I wrong on this? Either way, I think the public employees should make more than a private worker. It is a government job. You work for the government. You should be held to a different standard(not sure that is happening, but it should, like druq testing). To fix a problem, by taking money away from the middle class worker and not form the rich quacks who caused the problem, well that is just stupid. As soon as people see the problem as, not being, "you are making more money than me, and that is not right", and people start to see that the problem is, "the rich basturd took our money and now is not giving it back", once the other side can see this, then we can fix this problem and move on. Until then, we will just argue amongst ourselves and not put the blame where it belongs, on the rich, and this is exactly what they want.
(Jigawig nice question, but I can clearly see you standing over there with fire poker in hand, hell, you even have the poker in the fire and you are moving it around as I type this.) Most colleges are filled with liberal thinkers and more of the educated people in America are liberal or moderate thinking people. Artist and people who appreciate the Arts are not-so-conservative. People who have and like to "experiment" and who are "experienced"(as Jimi put it) have open minds and can see the finer things good music has to offer, these people are more liberal thinking people. I would like to think the festival I go to is saturated with great music and smart people listen to great music. The other festival, the CMA music festival is held the same time as Roo and in Nashville. I bet you will find more conservative then liberal thinking people there. So man have fun at he CMA this year, beware of the cicadas, it is what the BUZZ is all about!
I went to college in decidedly liberal Madison, and I dare say that the experience did not make me more liberal. It personally made me less liberal and more libertarian, believe it or not.
I took American Politics & Government (Intro-level Political Science, I believe PS104 here) my freshman year of college, I learned about The Political Compass test. I encourage everyone to take the test at least once, and browse the site if you've got further spare time.
In a nutshell, politics is too complex to measure on just a left/right scale. That is instead the economic scale on the x-axis; the y-axis is a social scale with extremes of Authoritarianism and Libertarianism.
To better provide a frame of reference for what I'm talking about, this is Political Compass' assessment of the 2008 U.S. presidential primary candidates: (In the interest of disclosure: I was a supporter of, donor to, and volunteer for the campaign of former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in the 2008 primaries.) Feel free to skim this now; it will come up again in greater detail before the end of this post.
I've been keeping tabs over the past decade, periodically going back to retake the test. I know I've moved over time. When I first took the test, I was somewhere around -8,-2 on the chart. I try to take the test at least annually, and right now I'm kind of wishing I'd kept track of my scores all this time. Every time I've taken the test, I've moved steadily towards the center of the left/right axis. I would remain in place or move lower on the Libertarian axis, but at nowhere near the distance I'd move in from the left. It took a particular course, Politics of World Economy, to nudge me in a bit of a Libertarian direction. My left/right score hadn't changed much from 2007-2010; my changes were heading in the Libertarian direction.
If you had asked me at the beginning of this post where I stood on this test, my result would have been somewhere between -3 and -4 on the x-axis and between -5 and -6 on the y-axis. I figured that, in the course of writing this post, now would be a good time to reevaluate my spot on the compass. I currently reside here: Economic Left/Right: -4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05 I've been periodically taking this test for a decade, as I mentioned... what immediately stuck out to me this time is that I reversed my less-liberal and more-libertarian trends which had been underway for a decade. I'm still processing it myself, but I suspect that it's at least partially due to living in interesting times.
But back to our American politics snapshot. Is it just me, or is the center of American politics... not really centrist? I will spare you a batch of images for comparison, though I could - they are available for perusal at the site linked above - but I can assure you that just about any other nation's center is closer to the 0,0 point on this axis than the United States' center. Let's pursue this point a bit further. Why is this? It is worth noting that most of these other nations have more viable political parties. I suggest to y'all that corruption increases as the number of viable political parties nears zero (with the minimum number of viable parties for any functional government being one.) The fewer parties there are, the easier it becomes to buy off all viable parties. The bare minimum is one; here in the U.S. we only have two. Think about that. While you're thinking about that, I suggest you also think about Karl Rove's desire and plotting for a "permanent Republican majority" over the past decade. Maybe some of you didn't catch Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald's recent comments on the topic:
Curious, considering that this occurred during an appearance where he was ostensibly defending Walker's budget... instead, he's blatantly admitting it's about strategic political advantage. (This not-yet-recallable asshat represents me in the Wisconsin Senate; more disclosure: I wrote my own name in rather than vote for him running unopposed.) Here it is worth noting that, post-Citizens United, the top ten organizations contributing to campaigns consist of seven GOP-leaning corporate groups (U.S. Chamber of Commerce chief among them)... and three Democratic-leaning union groups. Now, with my suggestion about the relationship between number of parties and potential for corruption in mind, what happens if these efforts succeed? Would this move not move us closer to one-party rule, if successful?
This is a Wisconsin issue, yes, but more importantly this is a national issue. Since Walker introduced his bill, eighteen other states* have seen introduced similar bills with similar ends and similar language. Nearly twenty states seems an awful lot to be mere coincidence... This seems to me to be a concerted nationwide effort.
* Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, New York, New Jersey, Florida, Pennsylvania, Maine, New Hampshire, Tennessee, Nevada, Oklahoma, Kansas, Idaho, Michigan, South Carolina and Nebraska.
What happens if/when all of these states effectively neuter the support which makes half of a two-party system possible? What happens if/when the sponsors of a single dominant party have no more obstacles in their way?
Another elementary political science factoid... Mussolini's definition of fascism is the marriage of business and government. If/when the wealthiest/corporate interests manage to marginalize the only competition to their sponsored party in a two-party system... who can object to this marriage and prevent it from becoming concrete?
The true center is at 0,0... our center is not. Those of you who have been following this thread know I have ranted and raved against the man behind the curtain. Still am. Now please, so I know that I'm not crazy here, someone please answer this... am I the only one who looks at this graph and sees the strings attached to our leaders leading back to a puppetmaster at the Right/Authoritarian extreme? I see this graph as visual documentation/confirmation of what I've been saying about one guy holding up both puppets, for the record.
My question to anyone and everyone who thinks that this country is or may be headed in the wrong direction: which way is the correct direction? Is it further towards the Right/Authoritarian extreme at 10,10? Is it towards 0,0? Beyond that? Agreement with the latter two possibilities is essentially an admission that the correct direction is a move towards the positions for which I've been advocating, is it not?
Don't worry, I'm almost done with this rant... but not before a trip to 18th Century Boston via 2011 Michigan...
The Michigan bill, which has been protested in fashion similar to the Wisconsin bill, has some particularly egregious clauses. Michigan's bill allows the (newly elected Republican) governor the power to declare that any governmental body below the state level - towns, cities, counties, school districts - is in a state of fiscal emergency. There are no criteria in that bill defining what constitutes such a fiscal emergency, other than governor's determination. Under that bill, the governor may remove elected officials in such jurisdictions and replace them with anyone of the governor's choosing. Among the powers these new managers will have is the ability to completely and unilaterally dissolve these jurisdictions... even despite the objections of constituents/residents who wish to preserve their cities etc. It boggles my mind that this passes for America.
We had a revolution once upon a time, lest we forget. It was, at some level, against Britain's King George III... but that is far from the entirety of it. The American colonies were established through the authority of a king, yes... but indirectly. The king granted authority to charter colonies to corporate entities called joint stock companies, which in turn governed their chartered colonies - at least for a while. We all know how the corporate/monied interests in Revolution-era Britain treated their citizens. Military commissions in the colonial army were bought and sold amongst wealthy British aristocrats, with the further requirement that colonial commanders submit to their orders. Monopolistic laws were imposed by the king at the behest of British business interests whose goods were mandated to be purchased, angering colonists (Tea Party, take note!) When things became a problem in Boston, the king amended the city's charter to prohibit public input at town meetings and put his own appointees in charge. Does this last point sound familiar? It should.
I am afraid we're coming into some centuries-long full circle. What we despised about colonial rule then hasn't gone away, not by a long shot. Those same interests we rebelled against then are pursuing those same ends in our day and age, except now they act from within our country in league with our government.
And they must be stopped.
I sometimes fear that I am participating in American democracy's last stand.
While most of the people's arguments on here consist entirely of left-wing talking points, and you all pat each other on the back with your group think.
Congrats.
In fact, most people here support their arguments with links, detailed arguments that cite credible sources, or at the very least answers to people who disagree with them after they have been challenged. Jigawig, on the other hand, spouts right-wing talking points, and then when challenged does one of three three things: 1. says he will provide more research to prove his point later and never does, 2. changes the subject with yet another Fox/Beck/Rush talking point, or more commonly, 3. just disappears for a few months.
Yes, people here will use left-wing talking points. But then when challenged, they can and will explain why they believe those talking points. If jigawig did that, he would deserve more than ridicule. As it stands, he is a proven liar who you do not want to associate yourself with unless you too want to become a sad joke like he is.
I don't associate myself with anybody. Hope that helps. I always call it as I see it and I don't pick sides. I'm merely pointing out your own hypocrisy.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 20, 2011 11:50:32 GMT -5
For you to conclude that I'm being a hypocrite, you either didn't read my post you quoted, didn't understand what you read, or are being incredibly dishonest.
To kdogg's point, most of what we are calling left-wing talking points would more accurately be called centrist talking points if our national political discourse were not so skewed to the right.
As a small business owner they are REQUIRED by LAW to pay UNIEMPLOYMENT tax's yet they are NEVER allowed to collect unemployment when they them selves are laid off due to lack of work. But hey your right a teacher should only have to pay for ten years and then recieve for the rest of there lives.
Yes of course it's all about my grammer. Not the fact that I'm required to pay into something I'm NEVER EVER allowed to use because I DRAW a paycheck off of my business. That way I can NEVER EVER loose my home or my land. So please tell me some more of your investment. Cuz when I'm laid off theres thirty other people LAID OFF see they all have wives and kids to take care of off of what I pay them no work for me means no work for them means NO PAY for me. Yet they at least have UNEMPLOYMENT to fall back on WHAT tell me exactly do I fall back on.
I feel remiss in not addressing these points earlier.
The thing with unemployment insurance is that it provides benefits only in the event that one finds oneself unemployed due to circumstances beyond one's own control. If I am understanding your claims correctly, you are in charge at your place of employment (and to be honest, it kind of scares me to think that thirty people's livelihoods are dependent upon a businessperson with your English skills. Your secretary deserves a raise.)
The idea is that you should take personal responsibility for how your business is conducted. As the person in charge of your business, the fate of your business rests with you. In other words, the success and/or failure of your business is within your control. As such, your position exempts you from the primary aim of unemployment insurance - circumstances beyond your control. The operation of your business is not beyond your control. Your employees are not responsible for any failure of your business - that responsibility falls upon you as the business owner. That's why they have the option to collect unemployment benefits while you do not.
If the owner-operator of every business that went under were able to receive compensation for it, don't you think that could be seen as... I dunno... rewarding failure? Wouldn't people be able to game such a system so as to make profit from setting up businesses intended to fail? Don't you think that has something to do with the existing regulation preventing business owner-operators from receiving such benefits? Good luck trying to convince me that you deserve a bailout if you fail.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 21, 2011 11:10:22 GMT -5
I have not FAILED it is that I'm an electrician and YOU dont build and I dont WORK YOU dont remodle I dont work YOUR UNION doesnt build a bigger union hall I DONT WORK . Am I supposed to assume all the risk be developer and builder as well as your electrician or do I get to wear JUST ONE PROFESSIONAL HAT TODAY?
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 21, 2011 11:36:27 GMT -5
I see you know little about how construction works so I will assist you with this. First a DEVELOPER goes to a BANK gets a loan for a blank piece of land. Then that DEVELOPER goes to an ARCHETECT to have drawings made to what they picture for that site. Then they take those drawings to a city planning board or a town planning board. If those are approved (which NEVER happens on the first round) the developer MUST submit those same drawing to the STATE for approval( again never on the first time arround). Then that developer goes back to the BANK for money for developement funding finds LOCAL CONTRACTORS who provide a SPACIFIC service gets bids from them on there SPECIALTY (plumbing, electricle, carpentry, interior design ,ectera , ectera) . Then ALL the bids are collected and opened and awarded however the DEVELOPER sees fit. SO did YOU REMODLE you HOME , OFFICE or HIRE a CONTRACTOR this YEAR?
