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Post by bonnarooooo on Mar 18, 2011 18:49:23 GMT -5
I'm putting together Karma Music and Arts Festival, it's been a shit ton of work. I love it though, it's been non stop 24/7 for a couple months now! I've done a lot of little shows but nothing with 12 bands and overnight camping. It's been a lot of fun and I've learned a whole lot from the experience. And btw I'm a Tourism/Resort Recreation major with an emphasis on Event Planning. G
Are you being serious? I went to a school that has one of the best programs in the country for this. Yeah, people think it's not a legit program, but it ranks up there with programs in LA and NY. Can't believe I'm having to defend myself in this type of forum. Geez.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 21, 2011 19:43:11 GMT -5
Linz, music's not a business, it's an art form. Even the business part of it is art. Business art. You have to know what you're doing when you run a business, but have you ever heard anyone say you have know what you're doing to run an art? Didn't think so.
Are you being serious? I went to a school that has one of the best programs in the country for this. Yeah, people think it's not a legit program, but it ranks up there with programs in LA and NY. Can't believe I'm having to defend myself in this type of forum. Geez.
was it one of the best because it was expensive? i don't get the power rankings of music business degrees. IMO, almost any degree in the music industry is crap, with the exception of a real music degree (like playing). I should know, I have one. I went to the "top recording arts" program in the nation and while I won't say it was a complete waste of time and money, I sure as hell wouldn't go that route again, knowing what I know now.
Are you being serious? I went to a school that has one of the best programs in the country for this. Yeah, people think it's not a legit program, but it ranks up there with programs in LA and NY. Can't believe I'm having to defend myself in this type of forum. Geez.
was it one of the best because it was expensive? i don't get the power rankings of music business degrees. IMO, almost any degree in the music industry is crap, with the exception of a real music degree (like playing). I should know, I have one. I went to the "top recording arts" program in the nation and while I won't say it was a complete waste of time and money, I sure as hell wouldn't go that route again, knowing what I know now.
Definitely was not expensive...as I talk to more people who got my same degree and ended up not getting a job in the industry, I am starting to question my choices, but this is what I spent my time and energy on for the last 2 years (transferred into program) after a few years hiatus from college. I have the passion and drive to make it in the business. I just need to meet the right people.
Post by icantenough on Mar 23, 2011 22:48:01 GMT -5
well, don;t be discouraged by that. that is the main reason i say that these degrees are cons: it attracts/preys on a certain type of demographic. I was one... those post university fizzle people who realized that they have no idea what they want to do in life, but they did learn they don't want to be a boring desk type number cruncher or part of any soulsucking job. which is all great, but the majority of these people aren't your average go-getter and are dazzled by the million dollar consoles, and the Gurm of "this teacher worked with Motley Crue!". it isn't surprising that most eventually fizzle out of the music industry programs. I went for recording engineering, and out of a class of 45 (it was by month) half didn't finish, and I am the only one i know of that is working in the music industry (live sound). almost every single person at my school was a 20-25 year old pot head with ADD... not a shocker that these colleges that make that demographic their bread and butter are getting slammed by devastating statistics of unemployment.
Post by mizvalentine on Mar 24, 2011 10:44:04 GMT -5
Music can be your job. But its a job like any other job. I've done a lot of different jobs (management, PR, live sound, GMing, booking), and many many people I work with have what others would consider 'dream jobs' (session players, touring players, studio owners, crewing major tours, working for labels, nightclub owners/bookers). My better half had a couple major label contracts back when that was actually a good idea. My completely unsolicited advice to anyone would be:
- Be realistic verging on cynical. Assume everyone is lying to you until they prove otherwise. Get contracts. Get a good lawyer you can trust and make sure you pay him/her; sign NOTHING he or she doesn't read first. Worry constantly, plan ahead and be obsessively detail oriented.
- Don't take on any event without backup funding. Make sure you can cover your contracts if everything goes ass over teakettle. BUY INSURANCE.
- If you're the guy at the top, whether its a band manager, promoter, or booker, you should get paid last. Its your job to make everything happen smoothly and its by virtue of your savvy and good planning that you should get paid. If things go to hell, its YOUR FAULT. Don't treat musicians like they should be happy just to be playing; music is work and it deserves to be paid for.
- Be upfront with people, even if you know its not what they want to hear. Plan twice as far in advance as you think you need to, and have alternative strategies planned out in advance.
- If you have a substance abuse problem, get a hold of it now or get out of the business (or stay local). Not only will you waste people's time, it will get exponentially worse the longer you're in the business.
- Get a spouse with a good paying job or make moves to lower your living expenses to a point where you could be without work for long periods of time. Expect to go hungry. Save when you are working.
- When you encounter scumbags, thieves, eff-ups, disasters, losers, and (worst of all) people who squander opportunity, take notes. You will learn more from those experiences than you would from anything else.
- Take courses in business, bookkeeping, tax preparation, marketing/communications, writing, public relations, and auto repair.
Haha, too many times getting caught in crappy vans that wouldn't run!
I don't mean to discourage anybody from working in music, its really the only thing I would like to be doing, even with the downsides. I do about 40 hrs a week of music-related work and another 40 doing IT to pay the bills... as annoying as music can be and as easy/well-paid as IT is, I'd take music every time! But I also see a lot of (mostly younger) people starting out getting screwed and working for free (or paying to work, even!!), and I hate it. Music attracts a lot of good-hearted, creative people, and unfortunately the bad apples and sharks know this and take advantage.
Post by internjeff on Mar 25, 2011 12:37:56 GMT -5
Can anyone recommend a good program for live sound? I would like to go back to school, but not sure where to find a good program. I know not full-sail. I've done booking for clubs and bands, local and national shows, so I'm not completely green. Just not sure where to proceed.
Post by guitardevil on Mar 25, 2011 15:30:18 GMT -5
I have a good friend that went to the Art Institute in Boston and has had some great luck. It is a national program, but it's what you make of it, not what it makes of you necessarily. He has since worked on stage at Warren Hayne's Christmas Jam, worked at TD Banknorth Arena and was a guitar tech for Slash's 2010 Fall Tour. So people may naysay because its a national program, but like with wine, your favorite is what tastes the best not costs the most.
I have a good friend that went to the Art Institute in Boston and has had some great luck. It is a national program, but it's what you make of it, not what it makes of you necessarily. He has since worked on stage at Warren Hayne's Christmas Jam, worked at TD Banknorth Arena and was a guitar tech for Slash's 2010 Fall Tour. So people may naysay because its a national program, but like with wine, your favorite is what tastes the best not costs the most.
Another good program, also in Boston, is audio production at the CDIA (http://www.cdiabu.com) at Boston University. Its a very focused program and very hands on. I've known a few people who've gone thru the program and gotten jobs right away, which in this economy is really saying something.
And to the quote above, I think the Art Institute gets an unnecessarily bad rap. In the 90s, I used to hire people (in my IT/design life, not music) out of their programs and they were just not up to par, BUT in the past 8-10 years they've done a MASSIVE overhaul and their grads are absolutely terrific. Again, my experience is with IT and design, but I take that as a good sign for their programs as a whole. I have colleagues in 3D modeling who will only take AI interns in Boston.
Also, I've got to say that I think Berklee just isn't what it used to be. Its still a fantastic environment, no doubt, but personal experience says they've slacked off tremendously in terms of academic rigor. I really think audio production is a practical, hands on field and these shorter, more intensive programs that get you working in the real world as fast as possible are the best option. Just my two cents.
was it one of the best because it was expensive? i don't get the power rankings of music business degrees. IMO, almost any degree in the music industry is crap, with the exception of a real music degree (like playing). I should know, I have one. I went to the "top recording arts" program in the nation and while I won't say it was a complete waste of time and money, I sure as hell wouldn't go that route again, knowing what I know now.
Definitely was not expensive...as I talk to more people who got my same degree and ended up not getting a job in the industry, I am starting to question my choices, but this is what I spent my time and energy on for the last 2 years (transferred into program) after a few years hiatus from college. I have the passion and drive to make it in the business. I just need to meet the right people.
Linz, did you go to MTSU? I graduated from there in '07 and had a bunch of friends in the music program who most had come from out of state because it was so well recognized. I have a Bachelor's of Science in Recreation and Leisure Services, so I get shit all the time.
Post by icantenough on Apr 1, 2011 12:47:16 GMT -5
you need some schooling, but more for vocabulary and concepts. everything else they try to say they are teaching you is bullshit since it requires real world experience. I just spent a month trying to even find 2 interns to play backup engineer for a small venue i work at in town when im not on the road and the pickins are slim. sure these kids can rattle off the exact signal flow of the latest Neve console, but half of them had no clue what a NL4 connection was... and forget about calling frequencies. almost none of them even knew the frequencies on a 31 band EQ. The best thing to do to get into live sound is find a production house and start interning. production houses deal with everything, so you will get a well rounded education there in exchange for being a janitor. PH's get a lot of small church/wedding gigs where they send out a "party in a box" with an engineer and once they feel comfortable with your skills they will start putting you on those. in the down times you will be soldering cables, opening up amps, refurbing road cases, compiling mic packages, etc etc. also, if you aren't in a larger city, you are going to have trouble advancing past making 75 bucks 4 days a week for running 2 EV 300's and a behringer at the bar in the bowling alley.
I went to full sail, for recording engineering, but had a lot of friends in the Live department and from my experience it wasn't too shabby, but that was in 2001. none of my classmates from my program are in the industry, but 3 friends from the live program are doing well in their field. One became stage manager for Disco Biscuits for a while and another eventually opened up his own production house.
but if you really want to do something extremely easy and fun: lighting. honestly the biggest con in the music industry. they are like the radiologists of live sound. one of the few jobs that you can almost walk into being hired from the neck up.
MTSU has a good Music Business program? Fuck, what I've been looking for all this time has been just under an hour away from me for the past 4 years... I should get on that.
Post by OneCoolHippie on Apr 8, 2011 16:23:15 GMT -5
Damn looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. From what I've read, most seems like good advice. In the meantime, vote for my sisters boyfriend's band by downloading their song here IF you think they're 'Roo material. Thanks. And no he isn't Jess Lamb, in fact he isn't listed on their website because he just joined the band. He's going to be their drummer and believe me I've seen him perform Moby Dick before, he kicks ass.