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Can not believe I am going to say it, but I think Jhammett (fuck that is hard to type)I think Jhammett, has it more right than you do.(oh god I just said it, Jhammett and right in the same sentence, it is the end of the world)
Why is that so hard? Just because I don't like to smoke meth out of a lightbulb, and get my OONTZ OONTZ on in the desert doesn't mean we can't still agree on other things.
SFA, Thinks for the link. I will check that book out.
Jhammett, I think you owe Kdogg a response, you promised him 10 days ago in the Scott Walker is going down thread. You should concentrate on that.
CPK, I think you might have the Mayan calender wrong. Can not believe I am going to say it, but I think Jhammett (fuck that is hard to type)I think Jhammett, has it more right than you do.(oh god I just said it, Jhammett and right in the same sentence, it is the end of the world)
Yoga, you lost soul. The best way to debate is to insult the other, call them nuts or say they are more of a lunatic than the 9/11 inside job believers. This brings a lot of cred to what you have to say. If you had "information or constructive criticism", then yes, I would be more than willing to hear what you have to say, but you did not. You did just what I ask you not to do and now I must respond.
How do you know what the Mayans comprehended? They know more about the moon cycles, planetary alignment and the Sun and Stars than you are I will ever know. How can you try to discredit someone, when you have no facts? I am trying to get people to think about, how will you survive if you can not get food from the store. This comes from what I see in the world today. There are many scenarios(natural disasters, Nuclear fallout, EMP bombs, pandemics, ect)that could lead to this situation where we are unable to get food from from a central location when we want it. Why would you want to discredit someone promoting one to learn how to survive? I will do this for you. When the times comes, everybody who disagrees with me will get a can of food from me, for free, but you, you will have to get on your knees and work for your can of beans, put that yoga to good use.
Deat, the date comes from the Mayan calender and the day the planets will all be in alignment. I am not so worried about that day, because if some of the scenarios happen like poles shifting(no protection from the Sun), comets hitting Earth, return of God(aka Aliens), than we are all going to be dead. I am more worried about the time leading up to that. I am more worried about the other scenarios, where we are still left on this planet, there is no food in the store. No gas at the station. Chaos happens and anarchy takes over. I think we all should be prepared to be able to survive. MizValentine is in my brain. She has said it best.
"I will say, I'm much more concerned with the actions of my fellow humans than with cosmic cataclysm. We're always going to have natural disasters, its inevitable and unavoidable, but both humans and the planet are highly resilient, moreso than we probably give either credit for.
When it comes to devastation, as superfurryanimal sort of said (don't wanna put words in your mouth), we're way better at wiping ourselves out than nature is at taking us down. We move so fast around the world and effect so many more people with our actions than at any other time in our history, I think that an old-fashioned disaster like pandemic flu will move faster and farther and cause more devastation than it would've previously. Its a boring kind of apocalypse but I do see it happening in my lifetime. I don't think we're anywhere near ready for pandemic flu (and that's pretty accepted in traditional public health policy circles), mostly because local public health is so woefully disorganized and underfunded.
So in addition to expecting the unexpected in general (learn first aid and cpr, keep food and water on hand, know how to fix your own car, have enough medication to get you through, know your local evacuation routes, know how to protect yourself), I think there's something to be said for taking a hard look at what your government is and isn't doing for crisis management and make plans to fill in the gaps where they aren't going to help you. And local government is the key; people underestimate how important their cities and towns are in keeping them safe. Everybody focuses on Washington but nobody votes in their own town. Yet if you don't have a local crisis management team, your local firehouse is unfunded, your bridges and levees aren't up to code and you've got 10 EMTs for ten thousand people, its not Washington's fault.
Big ideas like cosmic apocolypse and pole shifts are interesting, to be sure, and let the imagination and the mind work expansively, and can inspire us to new ideas about ourselves and our world. They definitely have worth. But just as worthy is the boring, unsexy fact that the best thing you can do is get involved and really KNOW what you and your family are up against. And change it. The human stuff is really the only thing we CAN change, and unfortunately its often the last thing we think of."
jhammett does have it more right than me but we are saying the same thing he just offered more details... my main point was that it is the end of this cycle and the next will start after.. a lot of ppl think and assume that the calendar will end completely on Dec. 21, 2012 and this is not the case
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 21, 2011 20:51:25 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused about what these cycles are and what insight the Mayans had into them. What were the previous cycles like, and what happened when they changed?
I'm still a little confused about what these cycles are and what insight the Mayans had into them. What were the previous cycles like, and what happened when they changed?
the cycles were used by the Mayan as a time keeping device and dec.21, 2012 is the end of the long count cycle.. my knowledge of this is very general.. jhammett posted the measures of time on page 1.. you can google it though and find tons of info on this
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 21, 2011 21:27:38 GMT -5
I get that the cycles were a time-keeping device. The question I'm asking is this: when the previous cycles ended and new ones started, what actually happened? I'm not Googling it...there's a thread right here where people are claiming that a cycle is ending and some serious shit is going down. I trust that the people saying this are knowledgeable enough about the things they're saying that they can answer my questions.
^^I have no idea what happened at the end of previous cycles.. i only know that 2012 is the end of a cycle bc it is well documented.. hopefully someone with better knowledge of this will respond to your questions
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 21, 2011 21:42:49 GMT -5
I hope someone can answer my questions, too, cpkeziah. But since you're here now, maybe you can answer this one for me: the Mayan calendar and its new cycle are well-documented, as you have said, but what makes you think that the Mayans had insight into these cycles that other cultures did not and do not have?
A second question, and you haven't said anything about planetary alignment, so you might not be the best person to address this next question to. If so, that's ok, because I'm sure someone else can pick it up. If the cycles are about planetary alignments, then why don't our astronomers seem to care about these cycles? What insight about planetary motion did the Mayans have that our astronomers don't have?
from what i have heard and read the Mayans were very much into astrology and based all their time keeping on planetary alignments like you previously stated.. I believe our astronomers have agreed with the Mayans and their prediction of this alignment ( I could be wrong about that but I think I remember hearing that on a scientific program).. I think the ppl who really care about this alignment that will occur on dec. 21, 2012 have some sort of fear that this will lead to a world ending event and our astronomers dont hold this same belief and if they do they have been quiet about it
The Mayans had insight to this bc they studied astrology and it's movement for thousands of years according to historians.. I dont know much more than that
On a separate note it is important to remember that spreading this opinion of a world ending event sells a lot of dvds, documentaries, books, and ad space on television programs.. also nothing has been proven to support the dooms day theory of the Mayan calendar
Post by Fishing Maniac on Mar 21, 2011 22:05:33 GMT -5
Threads like this are why I drink. They are also why I don't post here much anymore. There is not a single emoticon on the entire internet that can represent the look of combined distress, exasperation and utter disappointment that my face bears at this very moment. Aside from addressing the fact that the Mayan Calendar does not predict the end of the world in any capacity, I must ask why on Earth would you head to the farm? What are you going to find there? With whom do you plan to pool resources there? Lazy ass commie slacker hippies who showed up in hopes of mooching off your supplies?
Seriously.
If you think that traffic on I-24 during roo is bad what do you expect it to be like during the quacking apocalypses?!?! Did you ever consider that?
The Mayan calendar is a perfect astronomical calendar (This has nothing to do with your zodiac sign hippie!). Everything in astronomy is cyclical. If you look at the calendar it is a circle. The reason for this is that it represents a complete orbit. Unlike our annual calendar that only represents one Earthly orbit and does so inaccurately by six hours each year (hence a leap year every four years), the Mayan calendar represents a complete orbit of the solar system within the galaxy. The end of the Mayan calendar just happens to be the exact point of alignment with celestial bodies at which it started. It's not the end of the calendar. It's the beginning of the next cycle. This is like thinking that Dec 31 is the end of the world every year.
Besides. Jesus is coming exactly two months from today. The world ends in October.
He's a televangelist that does nothing but fail to tie headlines into scripture. I'm pretty sure he's off the air now but he's calling for the rapture in 2012. After many failed attempts at predicting the rapture and/or tribulation.
He came out with this album back in the 70s. Where he discusses important things like 12 year old Chinese children "marching daily with wooden guns, singing anti-American, anti-imperialistic, anti-christian songs."
Think about this. This man has made a career out of the end of the world. He's always dead wrong but people still listen to him and believe in him.
Also, I'd like to take this double post to let everyone know that I have The Coming War with Russia on vinyl. Try to step to that suckas!!!
Nice. I'm personally hoping I'm in Pittsburgh when the end is nigh, since my friends back home really know how to stockpile meat, beer and guns. And that's just in preparation for any given Saturday.
I'm still a little confused about what these cycles are and what insight the Mayans had into them. What were the previous cycles like, and what happened when they changed?
I'm still a little confused about what these cycles are and what insight the Mayans had into them. What were the previous cycles like, and what happened when they changed?
No answers?
The slightest bit of common sense = thread death
Either that or hyper-liberals circling their wagons around an opposing opinion and claiming to embrace diversity as long as said diversity is in total agreement with them.
NTRT, I am not sure about the Mayan calender and what happened at ends of cycles. I was under the impression that this was the last of the cycles and thought I read some where the calender started on Dec 12, 2012 and the Mayans worked back wards from there. That date is winter solstice, and planetary alignment. I have no idea when those cycles ended or what happened? One reason I started this thread. In hopes of people clearing up rumors and in turn finding the correct information and passing that on. thank you CPK and Jham, I appreciate your input. At Fishing Manic, credibility is lost when someone starts a debate with name calling and comments like, "Threads like this are why I drink." Really? I drink for good times, I see you are a drinker for other reasons. If those reason are so bad one must turn to alcohol, then maybe you should not read anymore posts and get away from Inforoo all together, hell the Internet all together. At least NTRT, with what I think is sarcasm, hard to tell through the keyboard and computer screen, well at least he was civil in his question of this thread and SFA recommend a book, but you, you took the
"There is not a single emoticon on the entire INTERNET that can represent the look of combined distress, exasperation and utter disappointment that my face bears at this very moment."
route. Come on man. If you disagree, express yourself, but do not belittle the one you disagree with as a way to give more credibility to your view point. (and that is what you are doing) I do not think your are a complete jerkstore, you added that the Mayan calender represents the solar systems orbit and not just earths and that makes sense, but what I do not understand is how could the Mayans calender be so precise and ours be off every year by more than 6 hours? Who knows more about the planets and stars than who? So they do not predict the end of the world, this is just another cycle starting up. I would like to know more about these cycles. I started this thread for a few different reasons. The main reason is a way to help people beware of what it might take to survive if a natural disaster, 2012 or something destroys our fragile network of food distribution. Do you believe that we live in a house of cards? That at any second this world we live in could be changed upside down and for the next month and the only food you will have is what you have stored for yourself? Do you believe this is a scenario that could happen? If you do not than you are misinformed and lost, if you do, than how can you try to insult, what I call degrading, someone for trying to bring awareness to that scenario?
I hope this common sense post does not kill this thread.
PS-or the record, I am not into astrology and random daily quotes written by who knows who as a way to give your life direction,. I do not have any dream catchers or such things like that. I don't believe the dogma that fills our society. I do believe there is a higher power out there, something beyond what we have here on Earth, but I am not going to church twice a week to repent my sins.
He's a televangelist that does nothing but fail to tie headlines into scripture. I'm pretty sure he's off the air now but he's calling for the rapture in 2012. After many failed attempts at predicting the rapture and/or tribulation.
He came out with this album back in the 70s. Where he discusses important things like 12 year old Chinese children "marching daily with wooden guns, singing anti-American, anti-imperialistic, anti-christian songs."
Think about this. This man has made a career out of the end of the world. He's always dead wrong but people still listen to him and believe in him.
hopefully he's an add to this years fest.
i bet they put him just ahead of lil' wayne on the list.
Threads like this are why I drink. They are also why I don't post here much anymore. There is not a single emoticon on the entire internet that can represent the look of combined distress, exasperation and utter disappointment that my face bears at this very moment. Aside from addressing the fact that the Mayan Calendar does not predict the end of the world in any capacity, I must ask why on Earth would you head to the farm? What are you going to find there? With whom do you plan to pool resources there? Lazy ass commie slacker hippies who showed up in hopes of mooching off your supplies?
Seriously.
If you think that traffic on I-24 during roo is bad what do you expect it to be like during the quacking apocalypses?!?! Did you ever consider that?
The Mayan calendar is a perfect astronomical calendar (This has nothing to do with your zodiac sign hippie!). Everything in astronomy is cyclical. If you look at the calendar it is a circle. The reason for this is that it represents a complete orbit. Unlike our annual calendar that only represents one Earthly orbit and does so inaccurately by six hours each year (hence a leap year every four years), the Mayan calendar represents a complete orbit of the solar system within the galaxy. The end of the Mayan calendar just happens to be the exact point of alignment with celestial bodies at which it started. It's not the end of the calendar. It's the beginning of the next cycle. This is like thinking that Dec 31 is the end of the world every year.
Besides. Jesus is coming exactly two months from today. The world ends in October.
NTRT, I am not sure about the Mayan calender and what happened at ends of cycles. ... I have no idea when those cycles ended or what happened? One reason I started this thread.
Oh, I thought you might know since that's one of the reasons you gave for thinking something serious was going to happen next year.
Does anybody else know?
At least NTRT, with what I think is sarcasm, hard to tell through the keyboard and computer screen, well at least he was civil in his question of this thread
Nope, not sarcasm. I think the Enlightenment ideals still have a lot to offer the postmodern world, so I value predictive claims more when they're based on reason than on feeling.
what I do not understand is how could the Mayans calender be so precise and ours be off every year by more than 6 hours? Who knows more about the planets and stars than who?
Our calendar is called the Gregorian Calendar because it was instituted by a Pope named Gregory who was more concerned with the correct day for churches to celebrate the resurrection of a god than with astronomical precision. The Gregorian Calendar is a 400-year-old reformed version of the Julian Calendar, which was instituted by Julius Caesar nearly 2,000 years ago. The Julian Calendar in turn was a reformed version of the previous Roman Calendar.
The Roman Calendar likely predates the Mayan Calendar, and it's possible -- even likely -- that the Mayan calendar-makers knew more about astronomy than the Romans. This should not be taken as an indication that the Mayans knew more about astronomy than we do today.
The international calendar is now the Gregorian Calendar for reasons of power, politics, and religion, which is the same reason the Mayan Calendar is no longer used.
followed by meteor showers and tidal waves, followed by fault lines that cannot sit still... some say the end is near.... I don't want to rain on anyones parade, so much has happened in the last 50+ years of my life, has anyone else tried to buy non-hybrid seed ? Seed vaults? I just thought it odd that our gov. is limiting, almost stopping the sale of non-hybrid seed. Anybody see all the military earthquake equip. moving in to Memphis?.... Earth is mad...
I consider this and indication of our impending doom.
Rebecca Black does not signal the end times, quite the opposite, she symbolizes partyin partyin, yeah!!
I think you've got it all wrong Scrog, if the end times are upon us, let's all band together and help it pick up steam, rip that seventh seal off and stomp on it, build a tower of babel, worship american idol, forget about recycling and composting, don't reuse anything, throw away your underwear daily like Britney Spears, eat every animal in sight, drive that SUV, burn shit, vote republican, you know, have fun with it!!
But, if you're determined to survive you better pick up this book:
I hope someone can answer my questions, too, cpkeziah. But since you're here now, maybe you can answer this one for me: the Mayan calendar and its new cycle are well-documented, as you have said, but what makes you think that the Mayans had insight into these cycles that other cultures did not and do not have?
A second question, and you haven't said anything about planetary alignment, so you might not be the best person to address this next question to. If so, that's ok, because I'm sure someone else can pick it up. If the cycles are about planetary alignments, then why don't our astronomers seem to care about these cycles? What insight about planetary motion did the Mayans have that our astronomers don't have?
The Mayans received visits from the extraterrestrials who had previously come to Earth and cross-bred with monkeys to create mankind. Duh.
I am sure it is obvious, but I will say it. I, the OP, do not know Jack about the Mayan calender (or our own calender, for that matter), nor do I know anything about planetary alignment, or pole shifting. I have heard a lot of rumors. I have watched the History Channel, but I really know nil about the "end of times". If I had all those answers, I would have never posted this thread. This tread is a way for that information to be spread around. A way for end of the world theories to be debunked. A way for end of the world theories to be proven. In my world today, I see a lot of energy being put towards this time. Why? That is what I want to know. Because, from where I stand, I see not only the religious folk predicting "end of the world" I also see some in the scientific community saying some of the same things. I think with both ends of the pole, religious right and the scientific left, speaking about the say time, that there is some merit there and needs some further dwelling in to. I never said this would be the end of the world, just how we know it. Which is vague, I know. To me, 9/11 did not change our world or the way we knew it, neither did Katrina. The change I speak of will be bigger than 9/11 and bigger than Katrina. Thank you NTRT for explaining the calenders to me and Jhammet and CPK for your input. Thanks to everyone for your input, sarcastic and all. Easymorningrebel thanks for the book recommendation. My only question, SFA, where do you find these videos? I can not watch the second one, it started to give me a headache.
Kdogg are you writing off the theory that we were created by aliens when they mixed their DNA with DNA from a monkey and in a science lab experiment created us humans? So we are not an Alien Ant Farm?
Planetary alignment? Will our galaxy, our sun, our planets really be in alignment at that time? Or is that not true.
These are a facts I have learned so far, if not a fact Please let me know. 1.-Dec. 21, 2012 will be Winter Solstice. 2.-Dec. 12, 2012 will be the end of one cycle and the start of a new cycle for the Mayan calender. When was the last of these cycles? 3.-We live with in a fragile system, a house of cards, and even a small threat, like rising gas prices, can put pressure on that system that could possibly break it. (when gas increased last summer there was talk of a trucker strike, if truckers go on strike there will be no food on your grocery store shelf.)