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Post by roolacksreality on Jun 28, 2007 15:46:06 GMT -5
No, I'm not going to complain about them. I just have a theory that needs reckoning.
Bushy Branch Road is public property, right? So, naturally it would make sense to see cops there (I saw three cars off to the side of the road Sunday night). From what I've heard, most people who were arrested were near Bushy Branch or camping in or near BFE.
Superfly/ AC Entertainment bought 500-Somethin' acres of the farm, but I guess the rest of it is public property, so more police are free to roam and Superfly/ AC can't do too much about it. I was just curious if that was the other 100+ acres they didn't buy and if you guys think that has anything to do with people getting busted in that region.
(I was just thinking about it for some reason. Did that come out logical?)
Post by augustwest on Jun 28, 2007 15:54:17 GMT -5
I don't think the unbought area is now public property, they still lease the space from other private people, but the road theory makes some sense, they could easily claim probable cause to pretty much anything they can see from the road, which does not require a warrant. There have always been cops around the campgrounds, I think this year there were just more.
Post by roolacksreality on Jun 28, 2007 19:44:23 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems like there were a little more. I only saw them Sunday night, though. It was about 1 A.M. and three cars were parked in some barricaded area. Last year I saw the Fire Department, but that was it.
We had armed cops in deputy sheriff shirts walk past our camp 2 or 3 times, looking around, i am not sure if they were looking for anything specific, they could have busted us or our neighbors every time, but luckily they just said hi and moved on.
Also remember that now that AC/Superfly owns the property they are also significantly more vulnerable to asset forfeiture and hence may be forced into greater cooperation with the law enforcement agencies. I doubt local police would apply that kind of pressure, but the TN state police and feds just might.
Ah, and I did see "real" police in VIP at once that I recall, but I can only recall it being once. It was a Manchester police cruiser iirc and they looked to be going someplace, not patrolling, but I could be wrong.
But I've heard voices not in the head Out in the air they called ahead Through ripped out speakers Through thick and thin They found a shelter Under my skin -Evgeny Aleksandrovitch Nikolaev
Post by Bob Noxious on Jun 29, 2007 12:46:36 GMT -5
According to the local paper, arrests were down by nearly half from the previous year. The sheriff says that things went pretty good. I do know that Manchester City Police were not allowed on the grounds. I distinctly heard on a co-workers walkie that "any Manchester City Police coming on the grounds were to be arrested for trespassing." This was on Saturday afternoon. I am not sure whose toes they were stepping on though I heard they may have been conning their family members way into the festival under the guise of officialdom.
I did not see a whole lot of drug arrests in the paper but I saw about a dozen arrests for tresspassing. All out of state people. Several people were arrested coming under the fence on lower Production Road....probably one of the worst places someone could try and sneak in. Screw em anyway, buy a ticket like the rest of the guests.
Post by roolacksreality on Jun 29, 2007 17:27:05 GMT -5
vol said:
According to the local paper, arrests were down by nearly half from the previous year. The sheriff says that things went pretty good. I do know that Manchester City Police were not allowed on the grounds.
Screw em anyway, buy a ticket like the rest of the guests.
Arrests were down, but that new law where they can just fine instead of giving you a court date served as a catalyst for the what-seems-like numerous people who were given citations.
If a police officer wants to get into 'roo, no staff is going to stop him, and no one is going to stop them from writing citations. Personally, I think it crazy that a policeman can walk around in plain clothes, trick people, and then arrest them. I can understand someone getting busted if they are walking up and down shakedown yelling "yayo! yayo!"; but, I do not agree with foot patrols through the campsites.**unless they are looking for thieves, i hate thieves
Post by urbanhippie on Jun 29, 2007 20:40:16 GMT -5
roolacksreality said:
No, I'm not going to complain about them. I just have a theory that needs reckoning.
Bushy Branch Road is public property, right? So, naturally it would make sense to see cops there (I saw three cars off to the side of the road Sunday night). From what I've heard, most people who were arrested were near Bushy Branch or camping in or near BFE.
Superfly/ AC Entertainment bought 500-Somethin' acres of the farm, but I guess the rest of it is public property, so more police are free to roam and Superfly/ AC can't do too much about it. I was just curious if that was the other 100+ acres they didn't buy and if you guys think that has anything to do with people getting busted in that region.
(I was just thinking about it for some reason. Did that come out logical?)
this is what i've been saying all along karma for you lol
Ah, and I did see "real" police in VIP at once that I recall, but I can only recall it being once. It was a Manchester police cruiser iirc and they looked to be going someplace, not patrolling, but I could be wrong.
yea i remember seeing the police in vip but i'm not sure if it was a manchester police car. either way, like you said, i doubt they were on property to arrest anyone-maybe it had something to do with the person that died? i'm not sure if the police car was there the same night, but vip is right next to the what stage and centeroo.
Arrests were down, but that new law where they can just fine instead of giving you a court date served as a catalyst for the what-seems-like numerous people who were given citations.
The Tn. DTF searched my truck. The MO was give it up and you won't go to jail. I love this line " mabe you will only get a ticket, mabe nothing. Just make it easy(on the cops) and give it up. I know that the ticket is about $1300.00 The idea is to get revenue , not to curb use. Didnt give it up and the task force moved on to someone they could sweet talk. hope this is allowed , just telling my story.
I would encourage anyone with the money and time to find a good constitutional lawyer and challenge this law. This law is under serious scrutiny as to whether it is constitutional or not here in TN. The only way to find out is for someone to challenge the law in Fed. court and be willing to take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Of course, with the Supreme Court we have now, your chances of getting a successful outcome are small considering they just ruled that free speech is ok as long as you aren't advocating illegal drug use. Probably the single most damaging thing GWB has done while in office is convert the high court to his whacked out conservative ideology....and that is saying something.
Probably the single most damaging thing GWB has done while in office is convert the high court to his whacked out conservative ideology....and that is saying something.
Karma for you - this week has wrecked me with all of the news from the Supreme Court. The 2008 election is important! Swing the courts back to protecting the 1st Amendment for everyone!
Post by bamadancer on Jun 30, 2007 19:30:31 GMT -5
sherinb said:
jonhasnoh said:
Probably the single most damaging thing GWB has done while in office is convert the high court to his whacked out conservative ideology....and that is saying something.
Karma for you - this week has wrecked me with all of the news from the Supreme Court. The 2008 election is important! Swing the courts back to protecting the 1st Amendment for everyone!
Not to get on a political tangent, but karma, and agreed with that one. If you value your rights, get out and VOTE people!
As far as the Supreme Court goes, don't they have to die or retire to be replaced? I was saddened by the ultra consertaves placed by GWB.
I hope we can change things by voting. It will depend on who we get to vote for. I pray for good choices.
Back to the topic, I didn't notice any popo except for the mounties. Do they count? Oh and the motorcycles on the Hwy and they were trying to get festival goers to pull onto the trouble lane on the right. I even heard them say "Move over , dumb ass" through their lil megaphones. Now that's just not what they should be saying, in my opinion. How about "move over, PLEASE"?
Probably the single most damaging thing GWB has done while in office is convert the high court to his whacked out conservative ideology....and that is saying something.
Karma to you...we should all hope everyday that the people with power get good sense, and that people with good sense get power. And lest we forget, here in TN, our democrats are republican conservatives too. it's sad but true.
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting, "Holy sh*t ... what a ride!"
Post by Bob Noxious on Jul 1, 2007 10:16:33 GMT -5
levus said:
If a police officer wants to get into 'roo, no staff is going to stop him, and no one is going to stop them from writing citations. Personally, I think it crazy that a policeman can walk around in plain clothes, trick people, and then arrest them. I can understand someone getting busted if they are walking up and down shakedown yelling "yayo! yayo!"; but, I do not agree with foot patrols through the campsites.**unless they are looking for thieves, i hate thieves
I am not making this up and I did work very closely with the security on the periphery. Ask around the community if you want. Manchester Police (not highway Patrol, not Sherrifs Dept.) were specifically banned from the grounds under threat of arrest, and it can be done. I have heard it may have something to do with a past year when they were boarding tour busses trying to serve a warrant on someone from Maroon 5.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 2, 2007 9:40:30 GMT -5
Sounds like a good days work to me... I guess they weren't fans of pseudo boy-bands. I would imagine it has more to do with whose revenue the tickets/arrests/overtime are, more then anything else. It appeared the Sheriff was quite prevalent on the farm.
vol said:
levus said:
If a police officer wants to get into 'roo, no staff is going to stop him, and no one is going to stop them from writing citations. Personally, I think it crazy that a policeman can walk around in plain clothes, trick people, and then arrest them. I can understand someone getting busted if they are walking up and down shakedown yelling "yayo! yayo!"; but, I do not agree with foot patrols through the campsites.**unless they are looking for thieves, i hate thieves
I am not making this up and I did work very closely with the security on the periphery. Ask around the community if you want. Manchester Police (not highway Patrol, not Sherrifs Dept.) were specifically banned from the grounds under threat of arrest, and it can be done. I have heard it may have something to do with a past year when they were boarding tour busses trying to serve a warrant on someone from Maroon 5.
If a police officer wants to get into 'roo, no staff is going to stop him, and no one is going to stop them from writing citations. Personally, I think it crazy that a policeman can walk around in plain clothes, trick people, and then arrest them. I can understand someone getting busted if they are walking up and down shakedown yelling "yayo! yayo!"; but, I do not agree with foot patrols through the campsites.**unless they are looking for thieves, i hate thieves
I am not making this up and I did work very closely with the security on the periphery. Ask around the community if you want. Manchester Police (not highway Patrol, not Sherrifs Dept.) were specifically banned from the grounds under threat of arrest, and it can be done. I have heard it may have something to do with a past year when they were boarding tour busses trying to serve a warrant on someone from Maroon 5.
im not trying to discredit what you are saying.... but maroon 5 didnt even show that year. adam lavigne (sp?) was sick and they cancelled..... so, that may just be rumor. -L
Post by Bob Noxious on Jul 2, 2007 14:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah, who knows what they (Manchester Police) did. It was probably just a matter of some unproffesionalism on somebodies part or maybe the MP just got overzealous. Perhaps the MP was not keen on cooperating with the HP and the Sheriff. Turf war maybe. Who knows. Overall though, I felt that the authorities pretty much did a good job at a hands off approach. Witness the pre-show Wal-mart parking lot where pretty open dealing and open containers occured (against the law here). They pretty much just ignored everything except for the most blatantly stupid and dangerous behavior. We HAVE to have a little law enforcement.......so we can have fun. Some of the cops I know groan when you mention Bonnaroo, but only because the long hours and logistics wears them out. They really do enjoy the people they meet from it and do begrudgingly have a good time. Many of them have comp tickets and enjoy the festival like the rest of us when they are off duty.
Yeah, who knows what they (Manchester Police) did. It was probably just a matter of some unproffesionalism on somebodies part or maybe the MP just got overzealous. Perhaps the MP was not keen on cooperating with the HP and the Sheriff. Turf war maybe. Who knows. Overall though, I felt that the authorities pretty much did a good job at a hands off approach. Witness the pre-show Wal-mart parking lot where pretty open dealing and open containers occured (against the law here). They pretty much just ignored everything except for the most blatantly stupid and dangerous behavior. We HAVE to have a little law enforcement.......so we can have fun. Some of the cops I know groan when you mention Bonnaroo, but only because the long hours and logistics wears them out. They really do enjoy the people they meet from it and do begrudgingly have a good time. Many of them have comp tickets and enjoy the festival like the rest of us when they are off duty.
Very well said. I did make it a point to thank the local policemen while we were in traffic forever on Thursday. They work really hard to keep things running smoothly. I saw a lot of sherriffs at the festival but no trouble. I think it makes sense that most of the presence was out past Bushy Branch though.
It sucks that some of the cops were jerks. They get paid pretty handsomely to work those sorts of things.
It sucks that some of the cops were jerks. They get paid pretty handsomely to work those sorts of things.
ummmm - if they were on their regular shift - nope they do not get paid handsomely - even overtime is not much better then what the average cop of sheriff makes. Specially if they had no choice but to work because it was mandatory and they would have rather been at home spending the weekend with their families.
Now - if they were moonlighting - then yes - they prolly were paid enough to make it worth their while.
It sucks that some of the cops were jerks. They get paid pretty handsomely to work those sorts of things.
ummmm - if they were on their regular shift - nope they do not get paid handsomely - even overtime is not much better then what the average cop of sheriff makes. Specially if they had no choice but to work because it was mandatory and they would have rather been at home spending the weekend with their families.
Now - if they were moonlighting - then yes - they prolly were paid enough to make it worth their while.
Well, I only know from my experience, so I could be wrong. When we have to hire cops for school events, they get paid overtime, and trust me, it's pretty sweet. But I guess it could be different. They still shouldn't be jerks I'm glad most of the ones I talked to were really nice.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 3, 2007 9:52:09 GMT -5
I concur - most of the police were pretty friendly and hands-off. I would be friendly too if I were getting time and a half on what is already probably a pretty nice hourly wage. If they were on their regular shift then they were just doing their jobs and didn't have to chase local criminals that day, if not, then they were making bank.
bamadancer said:
bos1969 said:
ummmm - if they were on their regular shift - nope they do not get paid handsomely - even overtime is not much better then what the average cop of sheriff makes. Specially if they had no choice but to work because it was mandatory and they would have rather been at home spending the weekend with their families.
Now - if they were moonlighting - then yes - they prolly were paid enough to make it worth their while.
Well, I only know from my experience, so I could be wrong. When we have to hire cops for school events, they get paid overtime, and trust me, it's pretty sweet. But I guess it could be different. They still shouldn't be jerks I'm glad most of the ones I talked to were really nice.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 3, 2007 15:24:39 GMT -5
Bama, you are much too nice... I definitely wasn't talking about you, I know who it is doing the smiting and so does that person - I say let them be angry, life is too short for it.
bamadancer said:
mindexpansi0n said:
PS - Thanks for the smite sweetheart; rather predictable.
I didn't smite! I promise! I'm trying to play nice...
Post by blazinhazen on Jul 3, 2007 15:33:07 GMT -5
sherinb said:
jonhasnoh said:
Probably the single most damaging thing GWB has done while in office is convert the high court to his whacked out conservative ideology....and that is saying something.
Karma for you - this week has wrecked me with all of the news from the Supreme Court. The 2008 election is important! Swing the courts back to protecting the 1st Amendment for everyone!
i totally agree! but how long do you think it's gonna take before someone steps down...i think we're stuck with this clusterf*ck for quite some time.
back on the "real topic"...we were camped in tent only and i saw 0 cops and didn't experience or hear of any theft (and we left our stuff out in public view...guess we were lucky).
Post by blazinhazen on Jul 3, 2007 15:37:49 GMT -5
i did, however, almost get trampled by the mounties in centeroo. scary as hell! i'm glad i was sober at the time or it could have seriously caused an issue.
I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to...
I'm glad most of the ones I talked to were really nice.
