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Post by rastaradam on Jun 29, 2007 19:22:16 GMT -5
When I think about and talk about Bonnaroo, I like to remember: the way people relate to each other, sharing, smiling and dancing; the way people get into so many different styles of music and get to enjoy some they might not have had a chance to otherwise; the freedom I feel in the way I dress and conduct myself; fun, fun, fun; and most of all, the incredible music I hear and the way the musicians get off on all of us diggin on them.
When I think of Bonnaroo, I like to think of the things that made Monterey so great, the openness and love that the audience and musicians showed for each other and not the things that Altamont is remembered for. In this day and age, both things exist though. There's no such things as hippies anymore but the ideals of love and respect for one's fellow man and the earth still exist. That's what I focus on, not the people ripping each other off and being rude to each other.
It may be true that one way to effect change about negative things is to gather people but the kinds of things being talked about here can all be changed by individual responsibility. If someone is ripping people off, don't buy; if someone is being rude, ignore them (they hate that).
I know this is kind of wordy and a little preachy but I've been reading so many negative posts here that I just had to vent.
I won't read anymore posts that might be on that slant to keep me from getting pissy on this board like I have been. If I ripped on you personally, at least it won't be happening again.
So, just like my cough, the negative things are fading into memory and all I'll have left is the: laughs, fun, EPIC music and the feeling of kinship that defines Bonnaroo for me.
Post by bamadancer on Jun 30, 2007 19:22:02 GMT -5
Karma for that. I was watching the documentary on Monterey and just couldn't help but think, "Wow, Bonnaroo is a lot like that." I mean, 40 years from now when people look back on Bonnaroo, what are they going to see? What are you going to tell your kids about it? I hope that's the impression that people have...a huge music festival where people come together, focus on great music, good times, friends, and respect of one another. Even with the world going to hell in a handbasket, I think it's great that something like Roo exists. I hope that's what people see too.
I agree about Monterey. It was amazing, much like Bonnaroo. All about the Peace And Love!
However, I certainly have to disagree about Altamont, as that was mainly a Hell's Angels killfest. And we have the Rolling Stones to thank for that....
If anyone cares to discuss that matter, I'd be more than happy to go into further detail.
i missed monterey ... not quite sure why .... went to ws 69, atlanta pop fest, denver pop fest, altamont, watkins glenn, goldengate concerts .... some think of them as the icons of festivals, while maybe for size, but sometimes i think of them just as a show ... another concert ... but then maybe not .... they did inspire me ... cr****
So Ron, was Altamont really the "Hells Angels' killfest" that's described above? That's all we ever hear about it years later. How did it feel to be there?
Post by placidcasual79 on Jul 3, 2007 8:51:15 GMT -5
ccrgmac said:
So Ron, was Altamont really the "Hells Angels' killfest" that's described above? That's all we ever hear about it years later. How did it feel to be there?
ok, 'killfest' might be over the top...but how many people have to be killed to call it a fest? the whole thing was a giant debacle from the start. I'm sure it was fun if you weren't up front getting stabbed in the back by hell's angels all f*cked up on ellis d and whiskey.
Killfest isn't over the top - it is just plain wrong. Per capita, Bonnaroo 2007 had more deaths then Altamont. Bonnaroo had approx. 80,000 in attendance - 1 death per 80,000 people. Altamont had 300,000 in attendance - 1 death per 150,000 people (one drowning, one stabbing - a hit and run accident that killed two individuals occured outside the venue). So Bonnaroo was a killfest - you heard it here first.
Oh, and the individual stabbed was clearly seen pulling a pistol from his waistband and aiming it wildly at the stage and other concert goers prior to being stabbed... it doesn't justify what occured but a single member of the Hell's Angels killed a single individual weilding a gun.
placidcasual79 said:
ccrgmac said:
So Ron, was Altamont really the "Hells Angels' killfest" that's described above? That's all we ever hear about it years later. How did it feel to be there?
ok, 'killfest' might be over the top...but how many people have to be killed to call it a fest? the whole thing was a giant debacle from the start. I'm sure it was fun if you weren't up front getting stabbed in the back by hell's angels all f*cked up on ellis d and whiskey.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 3, 2007 12:15:16 GMT -5
and in the Angels' defense, the guy who got stabbed had just pulled a gun on an Angel. I'm not saying that makes killing him right, but it is a part of the story that is often overlooked.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 3, 2007 12:22:13 GMT -5
i couldn't imagine that happening at Bonnaroo... seriously - what would people think/do/say when they saw a guy flailing around a pistol during a show.
Post by placidcasual79 on Jul 3, 2007 12:27:42 GMT -5
i am well aware the guy appeared to flash a pistol. i have seen Gimme Shelter enough to know of that. I guess i was just commenting on how f*cked the whole event was. i mean how many times did they have to stop the music during the day because of unruly crowds, and how messed up is it to have the hell's angels running security? just watch the damn film.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 3, 2007 13:58:39 GMT -5
I have watched the Damn film...and theres no reason to cop an attitude about it.
The point is it was something beyond the Angels. They didn't ruin Altamont. It was a doomed endeavor from the start. The last-min location change. The inability of the promoters to handle the massive crowd. And yes, the Stones' choice to hire Hells Angels w/ $500 dollars worth of beer to secure the stage. It was a poorly planned festival from start to finish; the Angels just get blamed for it.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by placidcasual79 on Jul 3, 2007 14:08:45 GMT -5
ugh, my intent was not to blame the hell's angels - perhaps i did. they are the obvious scapegoat, but in my first post i was just mentioning that it was a giant debacle. i agree wholeheartedly, the entire event was poorly planned from the get-go.
OK, fellas....back up a bit. Damn, thought I wrote enough to get my point across but I didn't discuss Altamont as much as I did Monterey. I wasn't talking about the deaths nor even so much the violence that erupted at that event. I was more referring to the loss of a feeling; call it innocence, hope, whatever you wish. Bonnaroo seems to have lost that in a little more each year.....but we can keep that Monterey-Bonnaroo feelings in our hearts. Can't hurt, right....and who knows, maybe a few more will get it too.
The Who concert in Cincinnati was a heck of a lot more lethal....and obviously had some of the bad promotion and security that Altamont had.
One of my points is well noted by you guys. See how everyone remembers the stabbing and the Hells Angels when clearly there were many other things going on to make things play out the way they did.
You're right, placidcasual79, Gimmie Shelter is a great doc of the show....and it shows just how f^$&ed up it really was. I cannot imagine being there, no fun at all. Oh wait, maybe it was close to that time at a Ramones show where I finally had to give up my spot in the front row when all the skinheads showed up behind me. I knew better than to flash a weapon though.
Post by oleander124 on Jul 3, 2007 14:30:26 GMT -5
I think it's the guy wearing the green coat in the middle. You can see the shape of the gun pointing downward in front of the girl in white and black/gray shirt.
So Ron, was Altamont really the "Hells Angels' killfest" that's described above? That's all we ever hear about it years later. How did it feel to be there?
maybe that is why i wrote what i did earlier ... the actual show up to the stones, was just another show .... it was a little messed up because they kept changing the venue ... there was also with trouble with the airplane and the hells angels onstage, and i think more people saw that and realized that happened more then the murder .... i sometimes get caught in the trap that altamont was the "death of the woodstock nation", but it was much more then that, that changed the love generation ..... its funny , that was going to be woodstock west, and people figured, hey SF , the flower children, this is really going to blow everyone away ... it did ... day in a life, day with a death ... cr****
Post by oleander124 on Jul 3, 2007 14:55:17 GMT -5
juggernaut said:
oleander124 said:
I think it's the guy wearing the green coat in the middle. You can see the shape of the gun pointing downward in front of the girl in white and black/gray shirt.
Right?
That could indeed be it. It's got the shape of a gun, I'd say. That picture is pretty dark though. I know it's confirmed that he had a weapon, I just couldn't really see it in that picture.
I couldn't see it either until you posted asking where it was. I moved myself over to the left of the screen and I could see it much better.
Edit: I lightened the photo. You can see it a lot better in this one. I circled the gun.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 3, 2007 15:13:00 GMT -5
Thank you for making the photo a bit clearer and cirling the gun. I would have, but I don't have photoshop.
It's clearer in the actual film of "Gimmie Shelter" when the freeze on the moment he pulls the gun. a few frames late one the the Angels to the right of the photo lunges in w/ what is obviously a knife and stabs him 3 times.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by I Can't Wait! on Jul 3, 2007 15:14:04 GMT -5
rastaradam said:
It may be true that one way to effect change about negative things is to gather people but the kinds of things being talked about here can all be changed by individual responsibility. If someone is ripping people off, don't buy; if someone is being rude, ignore them (they hate that).
Funny how your post has turned into exactly what it was you were commenting on in the first place. I actually understand completely what it is that you're saying and don't wish to debate it.
I guess what I'd like to add is that the best way to get this kind of negativity to stop is by not adding to it. Not commenting, just read it, shrug your shoulders and go read a different post that might be worth your keystrokes to reply.
There are a few people here who are consistantly argumentative. I read their post, realize that what they are looking for is an argument, someone to give them the attention they don't get elswhere, and move on. I do realize sometimes these folks say things that are so outlandish that you just can't resist. (I admit I have added my $.02 on a post or two prior to roo) But that's what they're looking for, and I simply won't buy into it anymore.
If a fire receives no fuel... it will go out.
**again, I know that I have posted a couple of posts some might consider negative, 1. in a topic on religion (where I gave in to outlandish statements) and the other in a thread about vip letdowns (where the arguments were mostly caused by people not in vip) so there is my dirty laundry I'll save you the trouble of looking for it.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 3, 2007 15:16:25 GMT -5
I have watched the film... tell me a group that can control 300,000 drunk, high, and very excited music fans without there being any violence. "Hell's Angels killfest" is post-era myth and media hype... one person died as a result of violence. The guy didn't "appear" to flash a pistol, he was scaring the crap outta the people around him with a loaded weapon.
placidcasual79 said:
i am well aware the guy appeared to flash a pistol. i have seen Gimme Shelter enough to know of that. I guess i was just commenting on how f*cked the whole event was. i mean how many times did they have to stop the music during the day because of unruly crowds, and how messed up is it to have the hell's angels running security? just watch the damn film.
ok my generation might have fukkkk it up with altamont .... but we started the love generation and did do some good ..... tag, you are it .... cr*************************************
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 3, 2007 15:38:49 GMT -5
rastaradam said:
I was more referring to the loss of a feeling; call it innocence, hope, whatever you wish. Bonnaroo seems to have lost that in a little more each year.....but we can keep that Monterey-Bonnaroo feelings in our hearts. Can't hurt, right....and who knows, maybe a few more will get it too.
If we're talking about the innocence of the "hippie" (or whatever you like to call it) counter-culture, then I think that began in 1967 w/ the Human Be-In, where thousands were hospitalized after unwittingly overdosing on DOM. There have always been, and always will be, logistical problems w/ events of this nature and magnitude. Some are handled better than others. Personally, I think the folks who handle Bonnaroo do a great job. I have not noticed any "loss of innocence" since 2002 (and I've been every year). If anything, its a loss of anonymity. Each year Bonnaroo attracts more attention, and each year more undesirable types will see that and try to take advantage of the situation. It's unavoidable.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 4, 2007 12:41:56 GMT -5
It is funny... like two generations meetings; early 70's pimp suit in a world of late 60's hippie - it is weird to think of an 18 year old kid with a pistol at a festival; like I said, just couldn't imagine it happening at Bonnaroo.
canexplain said:
mindexpansi0n said:
That is a straight up pimp suit... the guy had style, but he also had a loaded pistola
that was kind of in the days of sly and the family stone .. looked a lot like sly ... guess what happened to him cr****
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 5, 2007 12:33:51 GMT -5
Well, Marty Balin from the Jefferson Airplane was pulled off stage during the band's set and beaten w/ pool cues by some Angels for asking them to stop beating up the crowd. He wasn't stabbed, but he was knocked out for a bit. And he certianly didn't have a gun.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Well, Marty Balin from the Jefferson Airplane was pulled off stage during the band's set and beaten w/ pool cues by some Angels for asking them to stop beating up the crowd. He wasn't stabbed, but he was knocked out for a bit. And he certianly didn't have a gun.
i had mentioned that also, yes that was the first hint for the general audience, that something was amiss at this festival of love ... cr****
