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It happens to me all the time. All the regulars team up and talk crap about me and my musical taste. It is the pack mentality. Ive said it myself, i dont see the point of filling a thread with useless info, just for the sake of bullying someone. Its not fun for the person being bullied. Even if it doesnt make me mad, i just dont want to hear it. Im on here for roo information and roo talk. Im not on here to be mocked and harassed. And i nicely ask them to leave me alone, and they continue to harass me, Just because its fun for them. They have no consideration for anyone but themselves. Its not a big deal, this is just the internet. But its just as easy to be friendly as it is to be rude.
Listen Chumley, the only problem I had with you at any point was your obstinate refusal to understand that the word "jam" or the act of "jamming" meant that any act associated with those two was necessarily a "jamband." I have a hard time ignoring statements, arguments or debates that are poorly formed an contain no logic. For instance, at one point, you mentioned that of course the Allman Brothers are a jamband (which is true), because they have a song called "Mountain JAM!" And it's 30 minutes long! By that logic, the Hold Steady are a jamband (they have a song called "Positive Jam!") and so are Pearl Jam (OMG!). It's lazy thinking, plain and simple. If this board has a purpose, outside of the general "help me plan for Bonnaroo," it's the discussion and debate of music. When those discussions and debates become cluttered, foolish, or just decline in quality, it's irritating.
That'll do it. To echo what Meg said, though, for every board vet who comes off as prickly, it's likely because every few months a new wave of posters come in who just gum up the works, and for those who actually want to engage in substantive discussions about anything, it's annoying. I don't mind people jumping in the Lil' Wayne thread, for example, to discuss why they don't like him, etc., but it's irritating when a discussion is going on and some clowndick posts "I h8 lil wayne he sucks get sum real hip hop on the farm lolz," and then we spend 3 pages arguing over some bullshit. The frustrations of many of the more vet posters come from this type of behavior and nonsense going ignored/allowed, with the general reason that hey, give the guy a break, he's new, what do you expect?
^Well obviously I can not prove he is the same guy. However this account started two days after rhashton was banned. This guy has the exact same spelling and grammar issues and the same mo of pissing people off then whining about how negative everyone is. If he is not he gets my apology, but I would literally bet twenty dollars it is the exact same person, and a further twenty that person either has/had an inforoo account before.
I'll call your bet and raise you my entire bank account.
Considering there is no definition of a jam band, it can be whatever you want it to be. Why do you have to go to such extents to prove me wrong?
Because at some point it CAN'T be whatever you want it to be.
Lil Wayne is not a jam band. Matchbox 20 is not a jam band. But in that thread, your description/definition of a jam band let them fall into that category.
This is not a matter of opinion. Lil Wayne is NOT a jam band.
You never once gave me the definition of jam band.
Because there is no real definition. Juggs went to GREAT lengths to explain to you how hard it is to classify a band in that genre because that "genre" is really an amalgamation of all different types of music.
Considering there is no definition of a jam band, it can be whatever you want it to be. Why do you have to go to such extents to prove me wrong?
Because at some point it CAN'T be whatever you want it to be.
Lil Wayne is not a jam band. Matchbox 20 is not a jam band. But in that thread, your description/definition of a jam band let them fall into that category.
This is not a matter of opinion. Lil Wayne is NOT a jam band.
You never once gave me the definition of jam band.
Because there is no real definition. Juggs went to GREAT lengths to explain to you how hard it is to classify a band in that genre because that "genre" is really an amalgamation of all different types of music.
That's exactly what Juggs was trying to explain to you. Glad you're finally getting it.
But if he went back to his rock n roll music, and he played with a set band, you could call them a jam band if you wanted to
You could call them flat top tony and the purple canoes if you wanted. It doesn't change the fact that you'd find many people disagreeing with you and thinking you're wrong.
Post by trooperchumpkin on Apr 5, 2011 14:40:54 GMT -5
As a long time lurker, that finally created an account this year. I havent really felt all that welcomed. My first post was basically introducing myself and thanking all you for help/advice from last yrs roo, and I got a very warm response. Every post since then..I feel like my posts are skipped over and someother users keep on about whatver. I dont understand this when message boards are about combined input or discussions on an idea, and then everytime i post I feel like my input, it isnt worthy of discussion? Albeit, someone may not have anything to say in response to what I said, I understand that. But there have been some clear instances, for example: me posting about being interesting in a waka meetup or possible infowaka, which they were already discussing, and the thread just completely continues on like i didnt even post. I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
That's exactly what Juggs was trying to explain to you. Glad you're finally getting it.
You could call them flat top tony and the purple canoes if you wanted. It doesn't change the fact that you'd find many people disagreeing with you and thinking you're wrong.
But why was he? I clearly said the list isn't fact. It isn't. But he had to be mr. right and try to prove me wrong. Exactly. It doesn't change the fact that those people aren't right. I could call the Jonas Brothers a jam band if I wanted, and you couldn't PROVE me wrong.
I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
Post by plasticpepper on Apr 5, 2011 15:01:17 GMT -5
Let me start this by saying that I went to Florida for a while and haven't been around here for a couple weeks, so if everything went to hell while I was gone, well, I may have to retract what I'm about to say. But unless something happened REALLY recently, I don't think I've noticed a whole lot of change in recent times.
As I see it, the problem is just that we have a huge dichotomy in terms of how nice we are in various situations. If we're not talking about music, we're pretty much the nicest bunch of people you could find on the internet. Even when it comes to the repetitive questions from our newbies, I don't think we do too badly - usually the worst that happens is that someone posts a question and just gets a link to whichever other thread discusses the thing they're talking about. And the post maybe gets locked. All in all, it's not TOO bad - maybe a little brusque, but if nobody's actually mean about it and the question gets answered in some form, I don't think we're doing too badly. Especially because that brusqueness usually only happens with the REALLY repetitive questions or the ones that could easily be answered by looking around for five minutes before you post. I don't think there are a whole lot of places on the internet where people who post those kinds of questions would get as nice a response as they do here. Although to be fair, I think that's the way it SHOULD be - Inforoosters are supposed to be nicer than the rest of the internet, right?! ;D
Anyway. The problem is that as soon as we start talking about music, we turn into the biggest bunch of jerks. You would think that Roo people would be super chill and open-minded and accepting. You would think we would be able to understand that (gasp) - PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS. But sometimes we manage to be shockingly bad at that. We sometimes end up with a lot of hate for certain bands/genres and/or the people who like them. And the other thing is...well, we just sort of get stressed and this whole place gets stretched to the limit when we're waiting for the lineup to come out and when we're digesting it once we do get it. I think everything just gets way worse that time of year. We run out of patience for dumb/fake/unreliable rumors/leaks and for the inevitable influx of newbies, we get even more touchy about what acts should be there and what acts are headline material and all that, and once the lineup actually comes out HOLY WOW DO WE HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT IT.
But really, I think we're a fairly nice bunch when music isn't involved! We just need to learn to calm down when it comes to music. I don't know whether it's a different subset of Inforoosters that tend to be involved in the TML, or whether we all disagree more when it comes to music than we do when it comes to shoes and tents and arepas, or whether it's just that we're all passionate about music and we're just doomed to get carried away when we discuss it. But, sad as it is, I think it's really the music discussion that does us in.
ETA: Um, also, I love you all to pieces and I felt bad about being somewhat negative so I had to make sure this ended on a positive note!
a major breakout of thin skin disease brought on by noobs...
Today at 3:40pm, trooperchumpkin wrote:I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
As a long time lurker, that finally created an account this year. I havent really felt all that welcomed. My first post was basically introducing myself and thanking all you for help/advice from last yrs roo, and I got a very warm response.
Cool. Glad to hear. Most people started here the same way....lurking and then posting.
Every post since then..I feel like my posts are skipped over and someother users keep on about whatver.
You were ignored for one reason or another. You can't expect people to respond to every one of your posts
I dont understand this when message boards are about combined input or discussions on an idea, and then everytime i post I feel like my input, it isnt worthy of discussion? Albeit, someone may not have anything to say in response to what I said, I understand that. But there have been some clear instances, for example: me posting about being interesting in a waka meetup or possible infowaka, which they were already discussing, and the thread just completely continues on like i didnt even post.
It seems to me like your problem is that you feel ignored......not bashed/attacked.
That's fine. Just keep posting and posting and people WILL start responding to you. Become an active member of the boards. Contribute to games or contests. If you ask a question in a thread and it gets ignored after a little while....ask it again and state that nobody answered.
One of the biggest bits of advice I can give to get noticed - get a signature image and an avatar. One of the easiest ways to stand out and be remembered is if you have a unique image for people to identify with you. For a long time I only knew who posters were by looking at their sigs/avatars.
Posters without sigs/avatars will occasionally be ignored because there are usually thousands of those people every year who make like 8 posts and never return or don't stay active.
I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
Again......it's not the number of posts. It's the years of dedicated posting and relationship-building that has gone on here taht gives some of the veteran posters what you are calling "unwarranted prestige". There are many people who contribute a LOT of things to this forum and organize a LOT of different things to the benefit of Inforoo posters.
a major breakout of thin skin disease brought on by noobs...
Today at 3:40pm, trooperchumpkin wrote:I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
His point proven.
Actually no. Her point was that "noobs" were being ignored or unworthy of attention.
As a long time lurker, that finally created an account this year. I havent really felt all that welcomed. My first post was basically introducing myself and thanking all you for help/advice from last yrs roo, and I got a very warm response. Every post since then..I feel like my posts are skipped over and someother users keep on about whatver. I dont understand this when message boards are about combined input or discussions on an idea, and then everytime i post I feel like my input, it isnt worthy of discussion? Albeit, someone may not have anything to say in response to what I said, I understand that. But there have been some clear instances, for example: me posting about being interesting in a waka meetup or possible infowaka, which they were already discussing, and the thread just completely continues on like i didnt even post. I feel like some of those with thousands of post feel an unwarranted prestige, and think that the newbies arent worth of attention. Were not children people!! Wheres the love?
A couple of things here, I think as a community we try to make everyone feel welcome, and try and be nice give advice and answer questions. As to ignoring you I hate to say it but 95% of the new users on here quit or go elsewhere so it is hard to get invested in hanging with a new user until they have been around for a minute. This counts doubly so for meetups, where the majority of new users are just not going to do it. The other thing is meetups dont usually get really scheduled until a lot closer to the time like 2-3 weeks before.
That being said I party with different users that do not post much all the time. From the sew in, to our LCD meetup, to camp infogood there are lot of people that just use inforoo to schedule stuff like this. If there is one that you are going to that you see I am at always feel free to PM me and I will send you my personal info so I can make sure you get there with all of us.
Post by plasticpepper on Apr 5, 2011 15:26:15 GMT -5
Heheheh! ;D
itrainmonkeys made a good point about getting ignored not being nearly the same as getting attacked. If someone asks a question then yeah, I don't want to see them get ignored, even if it is a repetitive question. But if it's just a comment of some sort? Then getting ignored is pretty much a neutral response. I don't want anyone to feel like they're getting ignored all the time, but for any given post...yeah, it might not get a response, or not much of one at least. Especially if you're somewhat new here - and it's NOT that we don't like you or have any anti-newbie agenda or anything. It's just that if you haven't been here long, the chances are higher that you're saying something that's been said without realizing it. And as long as it's not something that was JUST said or something that gets said all the time, it's not even a bad thing.
I think in some cases...we don't intend to ignore anyone, and when we do gloss over a certain post - we don't do it BECAUSE you're a newbie, we do it because we didn't realize who posted it at all and we didn't realize you WERE a newbie. If anything I'm more inclined to respond to someone if I realize they're new.
The mods have given their opinion here, and they've been really understandable about this.
Roofan put it best: "The thing that gets me so worked up is when you see legitimate threads get hijacked because people are trying to be funny. It's never funny for the one being bullied.....
Someone said something earlier about the "pack" mentality.
Just the other day I saw a thread where a noob was getting harrassed by some of the regulars. Another noob, with like 6 posts and one week on here joined right in and started bashing as well."
I agree with him. The mods opinions are the ones that really count. So... Enough said. Just because someone makes a post that you think is "stupid," or you just don't agree with it, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing them. People make mistakes. I think most of the time those "stupid" posts have good intentions. And like roofan said, there's no point in hijacking a thread just for the sake of being funny and bullying someone. If you think a thread is unecessary, and you start bashing it, you're just adding to the things that aren't necessary.
Post by fearthestupid on Apr 5, 2011 17:42:44 GMT -5
okay i have stayed out of this particular one but: When a newer member repeatedly posts 3 to 5 posts on the same thread with no response in between, all of which attempt to rekindle the same argument or get in the last word THAT IS TROLLING! Several recent members have done this over and over. Yes there are cases where the response has gone too far, but why throw down the gauntlet with such ferocity just to cry foul when it's picked up? If you kick a dog enough, don't be surprised when it bites you, especially if they have been in the yard longer than you. Please study the members you respect, see how they go about making posts, and equally important, answering them. You will see, I think, why certain people get favorable responses, and others do not. Thanks for this moment of everyone's time. BONNAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
okay i have stayed out of this particular one but: When a newer member repeatedly posts 3 to 5 posts on the same thread with no response in between, all of which attempt to rekindle the same argument or get in the last word THAT IS TROLLING! Several recent members have done this over and over. Yes there are cases where the response has gone too far, but why throw down the gauntlet with such ferocity just to cry foul when it's picked up? If you kick a dog enough, don't be surprised when it bites you, especially if they have been in the yard longer than you. Please study the members you respect, see how they go about making posts, and equally important, answering them. You will see, I think, why certain people get favorable responses, and others do not. Thanks for this moment of everyone's time. BONNAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I've never done what you speak of. I think I've made one thread since i've been here.
attempt to rekindle the same argument or get in the last word THAT IS TROLLING!
I've never done what you speak of. I think I've made one thread since i've been here.
bonnapoo, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you just did what you say you don't do. Give it a rest? Take day or two off or something...
I've never done what you speak of. I think I've made one thread since i've been here.
bonnapoo, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you just did what you say you don't do. Give it a rest? Take day or two off or something...
Really? I'm pretty sure i just got a response to both of my last 2 comments. Thanks to you honey