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Big Brother Is Scanning! What's your take? Let's get it all out now: Do you think Eminem's fan base prompted this measure? Something about sketchy never-do-well's tunneling under the fence to watch the white wonder? (I'm joking but I figured I'd say it before someone else did.)
How do you feel about being scanned for entry to "the main venues?"
Any opinions about this technology or its use at Bonnaroo?
How big of an issue has "unlawful entry" been in the past? Do you think thousands of people were getting in without paying?
Post by timbuckroo on Apr 29, 2011 10:03:57 GMT -5
If it makes things run more smothly then I am all for it. Even if they are tracking it (which they have stated many times that it is only for the gates) what is the most that they are going to find out about me, that i spend to much time in the beer tent. I also think that for safety reasons it is a smart move. God for bid on of us gets sick or passes out with no id it could be a quick way for them to identify who we are. That is if you are one of the people that registers your wristband with your name on the website.
I feel like this is kind of a "beating a dead horse" convo though. It is just going to get the paranoid folks all worked up again.
Have we? I didn't think we'd talked about the fact that they will be scanning for entry to "Main Venue Areas" in addition to Centeroo. And that leads to another question: Are they talking about The What Stage? Or are they creating a new area for a Lunar Stage that will have its own Centeroo-like entry?
Post by timbuckroo on Apr 29, 2011 10:24:46 GMT -5
I beleive they are only referring to the tollbooths where you enter and awhen you come in and out of center roo when saying "Main Venue Areas". ie. through the arch and by the farris wheel.
If it's anything like any of the other festivals I've been to that do this, they won't even scan your wristbands half of the time by friday night. By saturday night, they'll just let everyone in like usual. It's not going to speed things up, it's going to slow them down.
If it keeps people out who didn't pay, I am all for it. I think they will eventually make the registration part mandatory, which I am also all for. The registration info needs to include your name, address, date of birth, known medical and food allergies, known medical conditions, blood type (if you know it), and emergency contact info.
It's not going to speed things up, it's going to slow them down.
This.
I too am all for preventing people who didn't buy a ticket from entering, but it seems like they are going to be scanning wristbands not only on the way in to Centeroo but also on the way OUT...? This seems unnecessary and a big waste of everyone's time. Oh well, nothing we can go about it. At least they will probably be cloth like the one's Coachella used.
It's not going to speed things up, it's going to slow them down.
This.
I too am all for preventing people who didn't buy a ticket from entering, but it seems like they are going to be scanning wristbands not only on the way in to Centeroo but also on the way OUT...? This seems unnecessary and a big waste of everyone's time. Oh well, nothing we can go about it. At least they will probably be cloth like the one's Coachella used.
Well, the reason they are doing that is so they know when your wristband is IN centeroo and when it leaves. I don't know how they did it, but I know of a group of people who decided to try and bring an extra person to the fest who didn't have a ticket, and they were somehow able to manage to get into centeroo and sneak a wristband over the wall and then have that person use their wristband to get in. It's a very difficult thing to do, but obviously not impossible.
it seems like they are going to be scanning wristbands not only on the way in to Centeroo but also on the way OUT...?
I just saw that. The wording of it makes me think it's for people who will be day-parkers or leaving to go to a hotel or something. It says "enter and exit the festival site". I don't think it's talking about when people are leaving on Sunday night/Monday morning.
^^^ everyone having the wristbands will be a totally different story, though. Getting into Vibes with those RFID bands was a nightmare, and they don't bring in even close to the number of people that Roo does. I'm sure there will be more people scanning than there was at Vibes, but still, I'm really not looking forward to it.
^^^ everyone having the wristbands will be a totally different story, though. Getting into Vibes with those RFID bands was a nightmare, and they don't bring in even close to the number of people that Roo does. I'm sure there will be more people scanning than there was at Vibes, but still, I'm really not looking forward to it.
Yeah I only see this making long lines longer. The only feature about these I like is that you can register pre-existing health conditions for easy scanning if anything ever happens. This is going to be great for my brother who is a diabetic.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 29, 2011 11:53:20 GMT -5
You guys realize that they pat you down and give a quick search before you enter Centeroo. So while you're being patted down (which makes you have to wait anyway) they can scan your wristband. It's a difference of literally a second or two. I don't see how this will make people wait longer.
Really doubt it will be as bad as Vibes. They did a very similar thing at coach a few weeks ago and there were no problems.
How did it work at coachella? Did the same person searching and frisking scan it or was there a second tier of staff that scanned your wristband after you pass through security? Also, do they scan pretty easily, or does it sometimes take another scan or two before it registers.
You guys realize that they pat you down and give a quick search before you enter Centeroo. So while you're being patted down (which makes you have to wait anyway) they can scan your wristband. It's a difference of literally a second or two. I don't see how this will make people wait longer.
I guess because I don't know how it works. The addition of one more step would seem to lengthen the process. Plus the addtion of electronics to the system adds one more thing that can go wrong during the process. The way you make it sound ITM is that its just a peice of cake but in my head I'm thinking: the security person has to have two hands free to pat you down and search your bag, then they have to pull out the scanner line it up with the bracelet, then you have to wait for the scanner to register then they let you in. which might only add 10 or 15 seconds a person but after a few hundred people that time adds up.
You guys realize that they pat you down and give a quick search before you enter Centeroo. So while you're being patted down (which makes you have to wait anyway) they can scan your wristband. It's a difference of literally a second or two. I don't see how this will make people wait longer.
I guess because I don't know how it works. The addition of one more step would seem to lengthen the process. Plus the addtion of electronics to the system adds one more thing that can go wrong during the process. The way you make it sound ITM is that its just a peice of cake but in my head I'm thinking: the security person has to have two hands free to pat you down and search your bag, then they have to pull out the scanner line it up with the bracelet, then you have to wait for the scanner to register then they let you in. which might only add 10 or 15 seconds a person but after a few hundred people that time adds up.
True, the addition of electronics to the process could create something going wrong. Hopefully Bonnaroo has backup scanners at the entrances in case something goes wrong with individual scanners. If something in the whole system seems to screw up (like nothing is working) then there could be problems.
The thing is, though, that the RFID technology will likely come from a company that does this type of thing all the time. They know how to handle large crowds and scanning RFID bands. Here's a blog from the company that did Coachella's wristbands:
Also, here are some comments from the Coachella message board:
The new wristband system was amazing. Never had any wait whatsoever getting in and, based on what I heard from others, they had similar experiences.
Plus the improved sahara, the bigger Mojave, the big food area by the lockers, the return of Fresher's lemonade, full bars in the beer gardens, how well the wristband system worked -- everything was just aces.
Shuttles worked great, loved the bigger grounds, loved the bigger tents, and really truly absolutely loved the RFID wristbands. This was the most hassle-free Coachella by far out of any of the 7 I've attended.
Security has been great this year. My wristband was scanned 3 times on the way in (from the shuttle) and 2 times on the way out. They have multiple places to catch crashers.
Much less douchey crowd this year; I really think the added security, wristband checks, AND the three day passes all contributed to this.
RFID chips in wristbands; I didn't wait in line for a second to get in.
Should I keep going? Because it seems like a majority of the people thought the RFID wristbands was a great move.
Should I keep going? Because it seems like a majority of the people thought the RFID wristbands was a great move.
Haha no I think you've illustrated your point quite well. I don't understand how scanning is any quicker than visual inspection, but If its been tested and implemented successfully on a similar scale at other fests then I guess there is no reason it wouldn't work at bonnaroo.
Should I keep going? Because it seems like a majority of the people thought the RFID wristbands was a great move.
Haha no I think you've illustrated your point quite well. I don't understand how scanning is any quicker than visual inspection, but If its been tested and implemented successfully on a similar scale at other fests then I guess there is no reason it wouldn't work at bonnaroo.
With visual inspection you have to verify that it's real and not just one that sorta looks like the real wristband. You have to make sure it's not a bunch of clipped ends taped together and not just a photocopy thing. You also have to deal with different kinds of wristbands so you have to really keep an eye on things.
Scanning it takes one second to verify if it's real or not.
It's really being done to keep out fakes....but supposedly it will make entrances a little easier. We'll wait and see though.
my only concern was being scanned going into centeroo. unless this means maybe the search/pat downs will be less since they will be distracted trying to scan everyone? that could be a win
aaa-haaaa. So thats how it works. Doesn't seem like a big deal at all. Do they not search you at Coach?
At the last second when the camera pans back to where they came from it looks like there's a separate line for pat downs and bag checks.
The way it makes it faster though, is that you don't have the security guard taking a few seconds to ask for/look at the wristband. They just search/check bags and send you moving....let the scanners do the verifying.
my only concern was being scanned going into centeroo. unless this means maybe the search/pat downs will be less since they will be distracted trying to scan everyone? that could be a win
I think it will be similar to the set up in the video of coachella.
Search/pat down line....then you walk through the detectors.
Thanks for your help ITM I'll give you a friday when I can.
This makes me wonder how many people actually fake their way into centeroo each year with counterfiet bracelets. Enough for them to implement RFID obviously but it would be cool to know roughly how many people are actually doing this.
I could careless bout the RFID wristband, Im just pissed I wont get a hard ticket for my collection
We don't know that for sure yet. So don't get pissed that you won't get one. The wristband page on Roo.com says "Each package shipped will include detailed..." so it's possible that inside the package is a commemorative ticket thing.
VIP roo attendees who went last year (and had RFID wristbands) said they got a souvenir ticket at the entrance gate.
So it's still possible we have some sort of ticket memento.