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Thanks for your help ITM I'll give you a friday when I can.
This makes me wonder how many people actually fake their way into centeroo each year with counterfiet bracelets. Enough for them to implement RFID obviously but it would be cool to know roughly how many people are actually doing this.
I could careless bout the RFID wristband, Im just pissed I wont get a hard ticket for my collection
We don't know that for sure yet. So don't get pissed that you won't get one. The wristband page on Roo.com says "Each package shipped will include detailed..." so it's possible that inside the package is a commemorative ticket thing.
VIP roo attendees who went last year (and had RFID wristbands) said they got a souvenir ticket at the entrance gate.
So it's still possible we have some sort of ticket memento.
I could careless bout the RFID wristband, Im just pissed I wont get a hard ticket for my collection
We don't know that for sure yet. So don't get pissed that you won't get one. The wristband page on Roo.com says "Each package shipped will include detailed..." so it's possible that inside the package is a commemorative ticket thing.
VIP roo attendees who went last year (and had RFID wristbands) said they got a souvenir ticket at the entrance gate.
So it's still possible we have some sort of ticket memento.
Do you ever say anything unreasonable or without optimism?
It does also say in bold about midway down the page "There are NO paper tickets for Bonnaroo 2011."
But you're right we should have faith and just wait and see.
Post by iowaherkeye on Apr 29, 2011 13:21:51 GMT -5
Regarding the paper ticket thing, yeah, it might suck you don't have another memento for this year, but maybe they're thinking about saving trees and being green or something. I actually don't know where my ticket is from last year, but I still have my bracelet, woven through the strings of my drum I made last year, so that's enough for me!
We don't know that for sure yet. So don't get pissed that you won't get one. The wristband page on Roo.com says "Each package shipped will include detailed..." so it's possible that inside the package is a commemorative ticket thing.
VIP roo attendees who went last year (and had RFID wristbands) said they got a souvenir ticket at the entrance gate.
So it's still possible we have some sort of ticket memento.
Thats straight from the Bonnaroo website. No paper tickets this year
Right.....but there can still possibly be commemorative tickets like the VIP people got last year or some other type of memento. My point was....we don't know for sure yet. That line you posted makes me think it's just referring to the actual entrance to the event.
Thats straight from the Bonnaroo website. No paper tickets this year
Right.....but there can still possibly be commemorative tickets like the VIP people got last year or some other type of memento. My point was....we don't know for sure yet. That line you posted makes me think it's just referring to the actual entrance to the event.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 29, 2011 13:27:34 GMT -5
Here's an article about the Coachella wristbands:
Over the past weekend, nearly 90,000 people ventured out to Indio, California, for the 12th annual Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival. Although a surprising number of Aussies and Brits made the trek to the three-day festival, the majority of concertgoers only had to make a short jaunt from Los Angeles. In fact, more than half were from the Golden State.
Coachella attendance tied last year in terms of three-day passes sold: 75,000. But when adding in the event employees, band guests and personnel, security guards and the masses of nonpaying people that managed to make it in last year, attendance hit 105,000 people, Coachella co-founder Paul Tollett told The Desert Sun. The sold-out event managed to take the 2010 title for top-grossing nontouring concert—and No. 4 worldwide—according to Pollstar, pulling in more than $21.7 million in sales. Although the ticket allocation sold out faster this year—in only 124 hours after the bands were announced on January 21—2010’s event had an excessive number of ticketless people inside the venue, whether from fake wristbands, jumping fences or sneaking past security. It’s those people who are responsible for the intense security measures and gaudy, high-tech bracelets this year.
When murmurings of 2011 Coachella began last fall, there were talks of innovative ticketing systems. But it wasn’t until the first-class-mailed package arrived this spring that the lucky 75,000 really knew how high-tech the arts-based festival would be.
“This year we’ve introduced a new high security wristband,”reads the front of the box in all capital letters. “Your wristband contains a number of advanced state of the art security features and every wristband will be scanned upon entry to camping and the festival grounds.” Inside the unnecessarily extravagant box is a cloth wristband with a square radio frequency identification tag attached to it and instructions detailing how to put it on. Although none of it looked very state-of-the-art, that RFID tag took a huge step in concert ticketing innovation.
Not only did it allow fans (whether campers or day visitors) to enter and leave Empire Polo Field whenever they wanted throughout each day, but it also allowed Goldenvoice, Tollett’s Los Angeles-based promotion company that put on the event, to monitor counts, track the flow of traffic and easily detect fake wristbands. Upon entering the venue, once people downed their drinks and got a quick frisk by security, they walked through panels similar to security at a department store that scanned the wristband’s RFID tag. A variety of beeps—or worse, no sound—would signal whether you got the thumbs up to enter, whether the system recognized that you didn’t scan out of the event earlier or whether you didn’t have a wristband at all.
Although it’s reasonable to assume that last year’s nonpayers weren’t too thrilled about the high-tech hurdles, the event was significantly less chaotic this year. “The fan experience improved,” says Kathleen Ripley, a veteran Coachella festivalgoer. “It was noticeably less crowded and [ticket buyers] were less likely to hear discouraging stories of people sneaking into the expensive event.” Tollet says it was because of the advanced security measures that total attendance didn’t breach 90,000.
Although the high-tech ticketing was a hot topic among campers and fans—aside from the 100-degree temperatures—the overall vibe seemed positive. “It was a really smart move,” says Ripley, who is also a music industry analyst at Santa Monica-based market research firm IBISWorld. “The wristbands and advanced security helped prevent the chaos of last year’s sold-out show, eased the strain on local law enforcement and helped bolster fans’ confidence that they were getting an experience worth the $270 or more they paid.”
Keeping a positive, strong relationship with the local law enforcement and community in Indio, which is known as “The City of Festivals”, is essential for this event and promoter, Ripley explains. Goldenvoice, which is a subsidiary of AEG, hosts Stagecoach: California’s Country Music Festival at Empire Polo Field two weeks after Coachella. In 2010, Stagecoach was Pollstar’s 19th highest-grossing, nontouring concert.
While the high-tech security improved the customers’ experience, it begs the question: How did it affect business? Sure, fewer people sneaking in means fewer lost ticket sales, but it also means fewer people spending money inside the venue. And the high-tech bracelets and scanners couldn’t have been cheap.
Ripley admits that the increased security could dig into Goldenvoice’s ultimate profit, but the company that produced Coachella’s RFID wristbands, London-based ID&C Ltd., claims that the scanning system can admit 2,000 fans per gate per hour—in effect, potentially reducing staffing costs.
Although the same high-tech ticketing isn’t expected at Stagecoach, Ripley sees many more live events moving in this direction and becoming increasingly innovative. “And in more ways than security features, too,” she adds, referencing Ticketmaster and Live Nation’s new dynamic pricing scheme that is due out later this year. In partnership with Marketshare, a cross-media analytics company, the LiveAnalytics program will allow Ticketmaster clients to set and adjust pricing for their live events. The tools will use a wide range of data to help determine pricing, including historical sales, search activity and social media data.
Right.....but there can still possibly be commemorative tickets like the VIP people got last year or some other type of memento. My point was....we don't know for sure yet. That line you posted makes me think it's just referring to the actual entrance to the event.
I hope youre right
If i'm wrong.....i'll complain alongside with you. I also love having a ticket thing to save in my "Bonnaroo bag". There was similar worry about keeping the Bonnaroo ticket in 2009 when they had that weird ticket shape. I think we'll be okay.
ITM I hope you're correct. I can see it going either way honestly. The way I read that info on the Roo site is "Hey guys, DO NOT buy a paper ticket from someone for Bonnaroo 2011 because its a fake. We are sending you wristbands and only wristbands."
Now if they are kind enough to provide each entrant a commemorative ticket souvenir upon entry I will be ecstatic, but my gut says it isn't happening.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 29, 2011 13:48:20 GMT -5
They say they'll send a "package" so I'm thinking it will be the typical instructions, wristband, maybe a sticker, and possibly a little memento/ticket-like thing.
“It was noticeably less crowded and [ticket buyers] were less likely to hear discouraging stories of people sneaking into the expensive event.” Tollet says it was because of the advanced security measures that total attendance didn’t breach 90,000.
The two most interesting sentences of the article for me. So festival organizers estimate close to about 15,000 people sneak in for a festival that sells around 75,000 weekend passes. Damn! That seems pretty high to me that means that every 6th person you encounter snuck in...
If i'm wrong.....i'll complain alongside with you. I also love having a ticket thing to save in my "Bonnaroo bag". There was similar worry about keeping the Bonnaroo ticket in 2009 when they had that weird ticket shape. I think we'll be okay.
My 2011 poster will look real weird next to the rest of them without my ticket
If i'm wrong.....i'll complain alongside with you. I also love having a ticket thing to save in my "Bonnaroo bag". There was similar worry about keeping the Bonnaroo ticket in 2009 when they had that weird ticket shape. I think we'll be okay.
My 2011 poster will look real weird next to the rest of them without my ticket
Post by Guiitar Man on Apr 29, 2011 14:11:46 GMT -5
The only thing I am worried about is the RFID getting damaged mid-fest, thus making it look like I am a non-payer. I haven't read anything about water damage, but I have read about temperature problems:
Currently, RFID tags are created by gluing an integrated circuit (IC) to an inlay. This poses a problem as vibration and high temperatures will loosen the connection. If the IC loses connection with the inlay, the RFID tag will no longer transmit.
The only thing I am worried about is the RFID getting damaged mid-fest, thus making it look like I am a non-payer. I haven't read anything about water damage, but I have read about temperature problems:
Currently, RFID tags are created by gluing an integrated circuit (IC) to an inlay. This poses a problem as vibration and high temperatures will loosen the connection. If the IC loses connection with the inlay, the RFID tag will no longer transmit.
That's a good concern to have. Reading the coachella boards they said that damaged wristbands were able to be fixed/replaced at certain stations inside the venue....so I'd assume there'd be something similar at Bonnaroo.
I read that you get info to "register" or "activate" the wristband when you recieve it. anyone know if you can still do this if you buy them off someone before the Roo?
boingboing.net/2006/01/27/howto-turn-a-disposa.htmlYou know you can make a localized emp type device using a disposable camera depending on what size battery you use to prolong the pulse you can fry a lot of RFID tags. If enough got damged they might give it up on the next go around
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plus hell we all need to know how to mess up big brother from time to time now it could be argued the people at Bonnaroo are hip Brother Man'z however this skill could come in handy on Illuminatti takeover day.
1-1-12 Bassnectar NYE SHOW! 1-21-12 G. Love and Special Sauce 3-1-12 Radiohead 3-9-12 Experience Hendrix 5-15-12 Jack White @ The Ryman 6-7-12 Bonnaroo 6-19-12 Roger Waters presents "THE WALL" 7-7-12 Ringo Starr's 72nd Birthday Party Extravaganza at the Ryman
plus hell we all need to know how to mess up big brother from time to time now it could be argued the people at Bonnaroo are hip Brother Man'z however this skill could come in handy on Illuminatti takeover day.
It's the simple fact that everybody thinks this is ok. I remember not having to wait to get in and searched by kids and people with power trips. The way they search you is degrading no matter how you look at it. I don't pay or voluinteer to be treated like a criminal. The same reason I don't fly anymore.
boingboing.net/2006/01/27/howto-turn-a-disposa.htmlYou know you can make a localized emp type device using a disposable camera depending on what size battery you use to prolong the pulse you can fry a lot of RFID tags. If enough got damged they might give it up on the next go around
You do realize that if someone does this the only person it hurts is the person wearing the wristband, right?
It's the simple fact that everybody thinks this is ok. I remember not having to wait to get in and searched by kids and people with power trips. The way they search you is degrading no matter how you look at it. I don't pay or voluinteer to be treated like a criminal. The same reason I don't fly anymore.
I don't see how the searches are degrading. It's a pat down and bag search at it's most intense. By Sunday, the search has gone down to nothing. I've seen how prisoners get treated and what you have to go through for entering Centeroo is nothing compared to that.
I read that you get info to "register" or "activate" the wristband when you recieve it. anyone know if you can still do this if you buy them off someone before the Roo?
Yep! This is what the website says:
VOLUNTARY WRISTBAND REGISTRATION: The unique code in each RFID wristband is linked to the person who actually placed the order and purchased those wristbands. So, if Jenny Smith purchased 4 wristbands to Bonnaroo, all 4 of those wristbands are linked to Jenny Smith, regardless of who is actually wearing those wristbands to the festival. This is fine. However, we are now happy to offer each festival-goer the opportunity to register his or her wristband on line. By registering your wristband, you will establish it’s authenticity and that your uniquely coded wristband belongs to you and you alone, which will help to further protect your investment. In addition, when you register your wristband and your contact information, Bonnaroo will be able to contact you directly with the most up-to-date festival information that help you make the most of your Bonnaroo experience.
The whole idea is that the person purchasing the wristband is not always the person using it, so the registration thing allows you to connect your wristband to you regardless of who bought it. It's pretty much DESIGNED for people who didn't purchase their own wristbands, so if you purchased one from someone else you would definitely still be able to register it that way if you wanted.
The only thing I am worried about is the RFID getting damaged mid-fest, thus making it look like I am a non-payer. I haven't read anything about water damage...
Water damage didn't seem to be an issue. ACL Fest used those same RFID wristbands last year, and I showered with mine for 3 days without any damage to it. The only thing I really disliked was having to cut it off when I got home - now it won't hang on my souvenir board like my cloth 'Roo bands do. Oh well...
