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i dont know why people are debating over this topic.. you have to wear it.. no one is spying on you at a music festival.. it will speed up lines according to almost every coachella post about this.. accept it and move on.. we will all have a good time on the farm this year and every year after.. thread over
I don't know how these things work, but I've seen an awful lot of electronic "solutions" turn into disasters. Look no further than electronic voting machines. Could you imagine if you did everything right, and found on approaching the gate that some d-bag somewhere in the manufacturing process didn't make it just right, or the UPS guy spilled a drink on it, or it was simply defective for some unknown reason? Even if something happens to 0.01% of the wristbands, you're talking about 70-75 really fucked and angry people who paid, are accused of stealing, and held out of the venue. Call me paranoid, but I can't think of a single technological "solution" to our problems that didn't fail at an unreasonably high frequency the first time they were employed. I hope it all works out swimmingly, but history is not full of 0% failure rates. At $250, I would lose my mind if they held me out due to no fault of my own. I'll be bringing my receipt and confirmation number.
plus hell we all need to know how to mess up big brother from time to time now it could be argued the people at Bonnaroo are hip Brother Man'z however this skill could come in handy on Illuminatti takeover day.
It's the simple fact that everybody thinks this is ok. I remember not having to wait to get in and searched by kids and people with power trips. The way they search you is degrading no matter how you look at it. I don't pay or voluinteer to be treated like a criminal. The same reason I don't fly anymore.
Hate to say it but if you care about the searches chances are you are doing something illegal or at least against the rules. Ya maybe every once in a while a security person does something wrong but i have been through that security tons of times and have never felt violated in any way. The most any of them have ever done is look in my wallet. Inconvenient? Maybe. Violating my civil liberties? No. When you buy a ticket you are agreeing to the search. Even though the majority of Roo attendees disagree with drug laws they are in place and Bonnaroo must make an attempt to follow these rules.
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I don't know how these things work, but I've seen an awful lot of electronic "solutions" turn into disasters. Look no further than electronic voting machines. Could you imagine if you did everything right, and found on approaching the gate that some d-bag somewhere in the manufacturing process didn't make it just right, or the UPS guy spilled a drink on it, or it was simply defective for some unknown reason? Even if something happens to 0.01% of the wristbands, you're talking about 70-75 really quacked and angry people who paid, are accused of stealing, and held out of the venue. Call me paranoid, but I can't think of a single technological "solution" to our problems that didn't fail at an unreasonably high frequency the first time they were employed. I hope it all works out swimmingly, but history is not full of 0% failure rates. At $250, I would lose my mind if they held me out due to no fault of my own. I'll be bringing my receipt and confirmation number.
This is a reasonable worry to have, but in reality this isn't a new technology. It isn't even new to music festivals. Bonnaroo is a few years behind the times in this method of ticketing, so hopefully, a lot of the kinks have been worked out. Things will always go wrong, I'm sure the paper tickets weren't flawless either, they still had to be scanned, like the RFID wristbands will.
I would strongly recommend registering your wristband before you leave. I think it will lower the chance of something going wrong at the gates, and if something does go wrong, it should make it easier to fix.
It's the simple fact that everybody thinks this is ok. I remember not having to wait to get in and searched by kids and people with power trips. The way they search you is degrading no matter how you look at it. I don't pay or voluinteer to be treated like a criminal. The same reason I don't fly anymore.
Hate to say it but if you care about the searches chances are you are doing something illegal or at least against the rules. Ya maybe every once in a while a security person does something wrong but i have been through that security tons of times and have never felt violated in any way. The most any of them have ever done is look in my wallet. Inconvenient? Maybe. Violating my civil liberties? No. When you buy a ticket you are agreeing to the search. Even though the majority of Roo attendees disagree with NO NO WORD!!! laws they are in place and Bonnaroo must make an attempt to follow these rules.
I agree and understand that I'm subject to search but all they are after is food and drinks is BS. I'm sorry but anytime I'm searched for the sake of them to sell me beer and food is not a leagle reason to do it. It's simple to me and backed up by the constitution of the US.
“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security” Benjamin Franklin
Hate to say it but if you care about the searches chances are you are doing something illegal or at least against the rules. Ya maybe every once in a while a security person does something wrong but i have been through that security tons of times and have never felt violated in any way. The most any of them have ever done is look in my wallet. Inconvenient? Maybe. Violating my civil liberties? No. When you buy a ticket you are agreeing to the search. Even though the majority of Roo attendees disagree with NO NO WORD!!! laws they are in place and Bonnaroo must make an attempt to follow these rules.
I agree and understand that I'm subject to search but all they are after is food and drinks is BS. I'm sorry but anytime I'm searched for the sake of them to sell me beer and food is not a leagle reason to do it. It's simple to me and backed up by the constitution of the US.
“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security” Benjamin Franklin
You are allowed to bring any food or drink into the campground (that is not in a glass container) And sealed drinks and snacks and some food into Centeroo. They even give you free water. You aren't being forced to buy anything but a ticket to the festival.
That's awesome that you haven't but I had two years in a row random DTF searches entering that were definately unconstitutional. Also a couple of time entering certeroo they took granola bars from me even when I had the book stating snacks and water were ok.
I'm not trying to be negative. It's just something I believe strongly in and hurts my overall experience at the festival. I love most of my memories from Roo and just wish it could be more like it used to be.
Post by Mista Don't Play on May 1, 2011 22:30:36 GMT -5
I have been DTF searched, and while it sucks, a lot, more than words can ever describe, it is their right to enforce that since you are entering private property. And while it sucks for those that are subjected to the search, the compliance between the promoters and law enforcement at the gates goes a long way to enabling our near endless freedom once we are in the festival.
That doesn't give police the right to search you. I know they do it all the time at checkpoints all over the nation but that doesn't make it constitutional. If you are doing something stupid that would tip them off then it's ok. If not you need a warrant with reason to search. Basic stuff really.
Post by Mista Don't Play on May 1, 2011 22:45:35 GMT -5
You don't have to be searched at the gates. You can turn around and go home if you don't want to be searched. But by buying a ticket you consent to a search of your belongings before entering private property. It is not an unconstitutional breach of privacy. It is something you agree to, therefore no warrant is needed.
You don't have to be searched at the gates. You can turn around and go home if you don't want to be searched. But by buying a ticket you consent to a search of your belongings before entering private property. It is not an unconstitutional breach of privacy. It is something you agree to, therefore no warrant is needed.
So your saying that the DTF has the right to search me because I bought a ticket huh. I don't think so. I promise that they don't have the right. Private searches ok but not a goverment task force.
You don't have to be searched at the gates. You can turn around and go home if you don't want to be searched. But by buying a ticket you consent to a search of your belongings before entering private property. It is not an unconstitutional breach of privacy. It is something you agree to, therefore no warrant is needed.
So your saying that the DTF has the right to search me because I bought a ticket huh. I don't think so. I promise that they don't have the right. Private searches ok but not a goverment task force.
Written directly on the reciept from my ticket purchase:
"Management reserves the right, without the refund of any portion of the ticket purchase price, to refuse admission or to eject any person who fails to comply with (1) the rules of the venue (2) the rules of the festival (3) all laws."
"By placing this order you have agreed to the rules and regulations of Bonnaroo 2011 and the terms stated in the user agreement."
Consent to searches is implicated by purchasing a ticket. By purchasing a ticket you are agreeing to abide by their terms and conditions. You really have no case.
You don't have to be searched at the gates. You can turn around and go home if you don't want to be searched. But by buying a ticket you consent to a search of your belongings before entering private property. It is not an unconstitutional breach of privacy. It is something you agree to, therefore no warrant is needed.
So your saying that the DTF has the right to search me because I bought a ticket huh. I don't think so. I promise that they don't have the right. Private searches ok but not a goverment task force.
Your ticket purchase is a binding contract to adhere to all stipulations and rules on said ticket, so long as they do not conflict with any existing laws that have jurisdiction over that area.
If the ticket says you are subject to random search (notice the word "random") than that's a contractual obligation that you have conceded to adhere to if you set foot on those grounds.
I have read my ticket and the stipulations. Just because it says that, it doesn't make it right or leagal for a cop to search you without reason. I'm amazed the way people defend bonnaroo like it's their child. I'm not bashing or putting the festival down. Just pointing out what I see as a troubling change in our society.
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The Bill of Rights in the National Archives.The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.
In Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643 (1961), the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment's protections do not apply when the searched party lacks a "reasonable expectation of privacy".
The Supreme Court has also ruled that certain searches and seizures violated the Fourth Amendment even when a warrant was properly granted.
"In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment's protections do not apply when the searched party lacks a "reasonable expectation of privacy"."
When you're camping in a private field with 90,000 other people and there are rules about certain materials which are in place for the safety of the general population at the festival, you lack a reasonable expectation of privacy. They could just as easily be searching your car for liquid gasoline or glasswear, as they are illegal drugs or other substances. They are searching to uphold federal & state laws and the rules of this PRIVATE establishment's festival.
Under your line of thinking, a club that has police stationed out front for crowd control shouldn't be able to search it's party-goers prior to entering the club?
Or if you're entering a professional sporting event (also a private establishment, also uses uniformed officers for security) are they not allowed to randomly search you upon entering the facility?
I get that you feel violated having some random dude put his hands all over you, it's understandable. But, legally speaking, they are allowed to do it.
If someone wants to cause harm they will do it with or without searches. I will never like it or accept a basic right to privacy. Do I still go to events, yes. Do I like it, no. Plus the war on druqs is another wasted goverment project. You can't win it.
If someone wants to cause harm they will do it with or without searches. I will never like it or accept a basic right to privacy. Do I still go to events, yes. Do I like it, no. Plus the war on druqs is another wasted goverment project. You can't win it.
Intent is something else entirely. These searches are to keep low-level buffoons from blowing something up (which would lead to a chain of car explosions that would get Michael Bay wet), or from smashing a bottle that hundreds of bare-footed Roo goers will run the dangers of getting a nasty cut/infection from, etc.
And I agree with you, for the record. The war on drugs is like a government bon fire where they just throw garbage bags of $100 bills to keep the fire burning. To be honest, the second my feet hit the ground on that farm I couldn't care less about anything to the point that I could get fondled by some 600 pound hippie volunteer for five minutes and probably not care.
If someone wants to cause harm they will do it with or without searches. I will never like it or accept a basic right to privacy. Do I still go to events, yes. Do I like it, no. Plus the war on druqs is another wasted goverment project. You can't win it.
And we come to the heart of the argument. Your issue with the search has nothing to do with feeling violated by the actual act of the search but the fact that you feel you should be allowed to bring your stuff into centeroo. If Bonnaroo didn't make at least some effort to control that stuff they would go the way of camp zoe.
What does it matter anyway? In the past five years I have only ever had somebody actually find something I wasn't supposed to have during a search ONCE.
If you know what you're doing getting in and out of centeroo with whatever you want is pretty easy.
What does it matter anyway? In the past five years I have only ever had somebody actually find something I wasn't supposed to have during a search ONCE.
If you know what you're doing getting in and out of centeroo with whatever you want is pretty easy.
Yeah, just use your female group members as mules. Works every time. Probably shouldn't call them that, though.
Absolutely not. I don't mess around with that stuff anymore. I survived my crazy days and don't want to go back. I don't even smoke cigarettes anymore, it's been over four years. I may drink a beer but that is it. So your wrong.
I don't just walk into a meat grinder because I'm told to. Just standing up for our rights because it's my 1st admendment right to free speech.
Absolutely not. I don't mess around with that stuff anymore. I survived my crazy days and don't want to go back. I don't even smoke cigarettes anymore, it's been over four years. I may drink a beer but that is it. So your wrong.
I don't just walk into a meat grinder because I'm told to. Just standing up for our rights because it's my 1st admendment right to free speech.
You love your amendments, don't you. Let's put it this way, a person may be smart, but people are dumb. If you gave everyone at Roo free reign to do what they wanted, it'd turn very bad very quickly. Structure is needed (at least a little bit) when 90,000+ people are going crazy for four days.