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So why would that keep me safe? If someone had a gun and willing to use to cause harm, why would searches keep him from doing before hand. I love how everyone thinks they are safer because of this. It's all about keeping food and drinks out, not about safety. I do agree about the insurance policy causing it also.
It amazes me that yall think that searching and drug testing a 6 year old is ok.
So why would that keep me safe? If someone had a gun and willing to use to cause harm, why would searches keep him from doing before hand. I love how everyone thinks they are safer because of this. It's all about keeping food and drinks out, not about safety. I do agree about the insurance policy causing it also.
It amazes me that yall think that searching and NO NO WORD!!! testing a 6 year old is ok.
If someone as intelligent as you can't even get a fucking granola bar past security. I feel fairly confident they'd be able to catch someone with a hand gun or pipe bomb
So why would that keep me safe? If someone had a gun and willing to use to cause harm, why would searches keep him from doing before hand. I love how everyone thinks they are safer because of this.
So what is the alternative? Ban all searches of any kind?
The searches are there for our safety as well as other reasons.
If there was no search....people would have free reign to bring in whatever they want. What would stop someone from brining a shotgun or rifle? Nothing.
The presence of a search lets people know to leave their weapons, fireworks, and other possible problem items (gas grills, glass bottles) at home or deal with the consequences of possibly being discovered with these items.
Yes....if someone has a gun and is willing to cause harm they will likely attempt it. If there were no searches....it would make things MUCH easier for them and much less safe for everyone else.
It's all about keeping food and drinks out, not about safety.
It's not about keeping food and drinks out. I've been able to go into centeroo with granola bars, candy, and sealed water bottles. So that statement is a bunch of BS.
It amazes me that yall think that searching and NO NO WORD!!! testing a 6 year old is ok.
Okay....you must be a troll.
Nobody said they are okay with it. It's one example of an instance where people found the search to be over the line. That's fine. It really has nothing to do with what we're talking about here and I really think you're just trolling now.
Nobody said they are okay with it. It's one example of an instance where people found the search to be over the line. That's fine. It really has nothing to do with what we're talking about here and I really think you're just trolling now.
Post by Enlightened1 on May 2, 2011 11:45:41 GMT -5
This is supposed to be about RFID bracelets, not searches. All major events have searches before RFID bracelets. You don't want to be searched: stay home. You think it's all about food and drinks. Eat and drink all you like before going into Centeroo. Not everyone wants to or can bring their own food and drink, so you are going to need vendors. As an organizer you have to give the vendor some assurance to sales for them to show up. It would be easy for the organizers to say no food no drinks no snacks nothing allowed. This is not the case. RFID can help them if you register your band. They can know some information about someone passed out or sick.
Hey guys I'm sorry that my thoughts and beliefs have caused controversy. I do apologize. I understand that they do need to look into bags and monitor glass, fireworks, fires etc. I just have faith in my fellow music lovers and our ability to be good to each other no matter what.
Hey guys I'm sorry that my thoughts and beliefs have caused controversy. I do apologize. I understand that they do need to look into bags and monitor glass, fireworks, fires etc. I just have faith in my fellow music lovers and our ability to be good to each other no matter what.
Your faith would explain why nothing ever sets stolen at Bonnaroo then I guess.
Yes! Every report I have heard from the many festivals that have already implemented this system have said that they are 100% a good thing. Especially in regards to faster moving line. The most tracking going on is that they will know when you enter and leave the property as well as Centeroo and it is very unlikely they are going to look at individual people but overall trends and numbers of people entering at certain times so they can be better prepared in the future.
I really don't understand why people are so adamantly against the RFID it has multiple positives for us the festival goers and hardly no negatives.
Gooroo, I really want to understand where you are coming from, but I just don't. If you REALLY don't want to bring anything illegal into the festival, and you really do feel that somehow your rights and liberties are being violated and our nations constitution is being dishonored because you have to get pat down when you go into a music festival of 80k+ people, you need to really re-evaluate how you react to things.
It doesn't matter if you're getting searched by roo staff, TN State Police, a Coffee County Sheriff, or DEA Drug Force or a US Army Squad, if you agree to the rules and regulations of Bonnaroo when purchasing a ticket, you forego any perceived "rights" against a search that you for some reason feel you are above. Maybe that's not how it was in the good ol' heady days brah, but now that Bonnaroo is one of the biggest music festivals in the country, I feel like their search procedures are actually pretty lax.
The search I went through for Camp Bisco was WAY more thorough than either of the years I went to roo, so you really need to come back down to the real world and realize that The Man is not always trying to get you down.
The most tracking going on is that they will know when you enter and leave the property as well as Centeroo and it is very unlikely they are going to look at individual people but overall trends and numbers of people entering at certain times so they can be better prepared in the future.
I'd like to see some of the numbers about people flow and things such as that. It's nerdy, but it'd be interesting to see if they find patterns.
The most tracking going on is that they will know when you enter and leave the property as well as Centeroo and it is very unlikely they are going to look at individual people but overall trends and numbers of people entering at certain times so they can be better prepared in the future.
I'd like to see some of the numbers about people flow and things such as that. It's nerdy, but it'd be interesting to see if they find patterns.
Maybe I'm a nerd too but I think that would be really interesting
And no, you paranoid hippies - you are not being tracked by "the man". They are doing this to cut down on fake wristbands, speed up lines, and possibly get some of the statistics that bacon mentioned - not to watch you nom an ear of corn.
Theres actually a small needle in the wristbands as well that pricks your skin lightly every 4-6 hours while you are there, and if they detect any illegal substances in your bloodstream a SWAT team will descend upon you and take you to federal prison via helicopter.
Theres actually a small needle in the wristbands as well that pricks your skin lightly every 4-6 hours while you are there, and if they detect any illegal substances in your bloodstream a SWAT team will descend upon you and take you to federal prison via helicopter.
I don't know why you'd say something like this, everyone knows that's not true!!! They don't use helicopters they just throw you in the back of a van like a bunch of illegal immigrants.
Post by ZaphodEpicurus on May 17, 2011 17:39:53 GMT -5
My issue is that I'm forced to wear this weird bracelet for the whole time- cant we just cut to the chase and get the chip implanted?!?! I agree I want a cool paper ticket too with the date etc.
Theres actually a small needle in the wristbands as well that pricks your skin lightly every 4-6 hours while you are there, and if they detect any illegal substances in your bloodstream a SWAT team will descend upon you and take you to federal prison via helicopter.
I don't know why you'd say something like this, everyone knows that's not true!!! They don't use helicopters they just throw you in the back of a van like a bunch of illegal immigrants.
Ofcourse they are going to implement this plan. But I believe they are only arresting people during the Lil Wayne show. They might take him away as well. Honestly, who would miss any of them?
I;m kidding, but I will be dissapointed if I don't get a paper ticket. That, and a 2 day hangover are the only souvenirs I bring home most of the time
Post by socialbutterfly on May 17, 2011 23:55:11 GMT -5
No kidding on the paper ticket deal. Part of the thrill was to see the ticket (and know you'd have it as a keepsake afterwards; like a ticket stub!) As for the RFID thing...I dunno. I was sketchy about its purposes when I first read about it. I'm not sure what the intention is, but I feel it could potentially be used in a negative way for festival goers. Just sayin, it is possible, though I hope its not.
Looks like people are starting to receive their wristbands now. Has anyone scanned theirs with an RFID reader? I'm curious to see what type of information is stored on the chip, if it's encrypted or not, etc.
No kidding on the paper ticket deal. Part of the thrill was to see the ticket (and know you'd have it as a keepsake afterwards; like a ticket stub!) As for the RFID thing...I dunno. I was sketchy about its purposes when I first read about it. I'm not sure what the intention is, but I feel it could potentially be used in a negative way for festival goers. Just sayin, it is possible, though I hope its not.
No kidding on the paper ticket deal. Part of the thrill was to see the ticket (and know you'd have it as a keepsake afterwards; like a ticket stub!) As for the RFID thing...I dunno. I was sketchy about its purposes when I first read about it. I'm not sure what the intention is, but I feel it could potentially be used in a negative way for festival goers. Just sayin, it is possible, though I hope its not.
May i ask what these negatives are?
It has been a page or so since someone pointed out that without structures roughly the size of lifeguard stations it is impossible to activate a passive rfid chip from more than 6 or so inches away.
We stayed in the barn last year and a lot of Roo security hung out around there at night. The array of fake wristbands was amazing to me and honestly, most of them were pretty good. I'm not nuts about the chip idea either but if it keeps the fence jumpers out I'm good with that.
And BTW, we took the kids to Disney and you get searched there too. I think it's pretty much unavoidable when you're dealing with large crowds.
Post by ridebikesdrinkbeer on May 20, 2011 9:26:57 GMT -5
I was just checking out roo.com and noticed this:
Every wristband will be scanned as you enter & exit the festival site, as well as the Centeroo and Main Venue areas.
I understand how it works entering the festival site, it will take no more time than handing a ticket to the volunteer and having them put a cloth wrist band on you.
However, now when entering Centeroo we'll be subject to the search AND they have to scan your wristband? Won't that take 100% longer to get every person through the gate?
and upon leaving the site? Won't that just make the usual easy flow out a clusterquack? They will stop every car and scan every wristband?