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And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I have no problem with musicians being popular. I like plenty of them. The problem is when people like anything solely because it is popular...it leads one to say unrelentingly stupid stuff like "criticism of Kanye is based on racism" or whatever.
You're welcome to disregard the one big thing that many people dislike Kanye for (2008). It makes sense. It would certainly be very difficult to forward such a ridiculous theory as the Kanye/racism one you have espoused if you also considered reality.
I have to disregard the 2008 debacle because it has nothing to do with his music, and it so clouds people's judgment that you really can't have a substantive discussion when its invoked. Also, my whole point was dealing with the overall criticism of a popular artist's music, so bringing in extraneous factors really wouldn't apply. I understand that some people hold the ridiculous grudge, and that's fine. Whatever. For a bunch of hippies, people on this board are some vindictive lunatics.
well.. just to shed some light. it does have a little to do with the music... if you kept me up and I enjoyed the show I probably wouldn't have been so pissed. The most original thing that came out of that performance was Jane.
There are probably many thousands of people who fit this bill. I'll gladly take any individuals word that they simply like him or any other act just because it fits their taste. However, i am going to have a hard time believing that when the justification morphs from "I just happen to like him" to the trying-too-hard kinds of stuff like "racist overtones" in being critical of or disliking Kanye West.
If you like something, cool. If you dont, cool. If you think it's racist to not like one very popular rapper, you're starting to move away from a matter of taste.
I have to disregard the 2008 debacle because it has nothing to do with his music, and it so clouds people's judgment that you really can't have a substantive discussion when its invoked. Also, my whole point was dealing with the overall criticism of a popular artist's music, so bringing in extraneous factors really wouldn't apply. I understand that some people hold the ridiculous grudge, and that's fine. Whatever. For a bunch of hippies, people on this board are some vindictive lunatics.
well.. just to shed some light. it does have a little to do with the music... if you kept me up and I enjoyed the show I probably wouldn't have been so pissed. The most original thing that came out of that performance was Jane.
and don't get me started on that
It has nothing to do with the music he puts out. That's the point. My parents went to a shitty Van Morrison show once....he was terrible and quite the drunk ass......but they don't now hate his music because of the one time he wasn't a professional and they were there to witness it.
well.. just to shed some light. it does have a little to do with the music... if you kept me up and I enjoyed the show I probably wouldn't have been so pissed. The most original thing that came out of that performance was Jane.
and don't get me started on that
It has nothing to do with the music he puts out. That's the point. My parents went to a Leno-y Van Morrison show once....he was terrible and quite the drunk ass......but they don't now hate his music because of the one time he wasn't a professional and they were there to witness it.
Fair enough if we are speaking in general about the inforoo audience. On a personal level - in conjunction with the music he's produced since 2008ish - there's only so much 'ye I can take. And I'd be wary of a repeat performance, but I do chalk a bit up to the "Glow in the Dark" overproduction fiasco
i'm over it.. just ya know - forgive don't forget
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Post by suspendedzen on Jun 22, 2011 14:52:21 GMT -5
Would you like to provide one example of these racial undertones? It's a hell of an accusation to throw out there.
Why is it so hard for you to just say you like the guy's music? He's not your daddy, he's not your friend. You really don't need to try so hard to defend him that you start insinuating racism within people that disagree with you.
If you like him, cool. You dont need more than that.
Itrainmonkeys: This is a Bonnaroo-themed message board. The Kanye2008-attendee demographic is going to be closer to "many people" here.
You said:
You're welcome to disregard the one big thing that many people dislike Kanye for (2008).
You didn't say "many people on inforoo". We are talking about an artist and their music in general.....not the one time they played at the festival.
I guess I assumed that, on a Bonnaroo message board, the point could go unsaid that Bonnaroo 2008 attendees would consider Kanye's performance that year to be a particularly big thing in determining whether they like him or care to see him again. Oops?
Would you like to provide one example of these racial undertones? It's a hell of an accusation to throw out there.
Why is it so hard for you to just say you like the guy's music? He's not your daddy, he's not your friend. You really don't need to try so hard to defend him that you start insinuating racism within people that disagree with you.
If you like him, cool. You dont need more than that.
Are you just not reading what people are posting? Specifically what Juggs is saying?
Plus, pretty sure Juggs does like the guys music. I don't understand if you're deliberately being annoying or just failing to understand what's being discussed here.
You didn't say "many people on inforoo". We are talking about an artist and their music in general.....not the one time they played at the festival.
I guess I assumed that, on a Bonnaroo message board, the point could go unsaid that Bonnaroo 2008 attendees would consider Kanye's performance that year to be a particularly big thing in determining whether they like him or care to see him again. Oops?
Post by suspendedzen on Jun 22, 2011 15:03:25 GMT -5
He really did say the racial thing, and has defended. Juggs has not, however, actually bothered to provide any evidence of racial undertones in the Kanye West criticism.
I'm in complete agreement that no one act (nor any dozen acts) will ruin Bonnaroo. No band or person in the past ruined it and Lady Gaga or whatever else in the future will not ruin it either. No act will destroy a festival that runs so many stages concurrently.
This does not mean that people have to like any of these acts. If you dont like Kanye West, that does not mean that racial undertones fuel youre dislike. If you dont like Lada Gaga that does not make you a hippie, or a misogynist, or any other personal epithet you can think of.
Dont like something? Cool. Like something? Cool. You dont need converts to join you on either side and you dont need to go off the deep end either attacking (it will destroy Bonnaroo; it's too popular) or defending (racial undertones; you're a dumb hippie if you dont like it) it.
Post by suspendedzen on Jun 22, 2011 15:08:14 GMT -5
I know you werent directly calling me a racist, nor were you including me in the undertone category. And I am sure there are plenty of people out there that have indeed based their statements regarding Kanye (and any number of other rappers). I just dont think it is relevant to the opinions of Bonnaroo 2008 attendees or posters on this forum. I can not, however, say with any certainly that people here have not made ridiculous/dumb comments about like the ones that you allude to. I dont read every post here and if I missed anybody who based their opinions on anything but his musical output and actions, they are wrong.
Prince is my number one "Classic Act" HL - Muse hasn't been on the farm though they've been headlining a bunch of fests so I don't expect Bonnaroo to miss on the grab. Prefer Daft over Chemical Brothers but should be fun either way. Sunday is always the slow down day so other then Furthur, I have no idea who else it could be
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I'm heavily pulling for Paul Simon as the Sunday closer this year. I think the vibe would be right and with him playing Hangout this year, we know he's def open to the festival environment.
Post by Mr.BelgianManders on Jun 22, 2011 15:59:46 GMT -5
This might be a little off topic, but I think it's interesting if we compare the top 6 headliners for the big festivals for the last 3 years.
Coachella
2009: Paul McCartney, The Cure, The Killers, Morrissey, Amy Whinehouse, My Bloody Valentine 2010: Jay-Z, Muse, Gorillaz, LCD Soundsystem, Faith No More, Pavement 2011: Arcade Fire, Kanye West, Kings Of Leon, The Strokes, The Black Keys, Animal Collective
Bonnaroo
2009: Bruce Springsteen, Phish, Phish, Beastie Boys, Nine Inch Nails, David Byrne 2010: Dave Matthews Band, Kings Of Leon, Stevie Wonder, Jay-Z, Tenacious D, Weezer 2011: Eminem, Arcade Fire, Widespread Panic, The Black Keys, Buffalo Springfield, My Morning Jacket
Lollapalooza
2009: Depeche Mode, Tool, The Killers, Jane's Addiction, (Beastie Boys) Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Kings Of Leon 2010: Soundgarden, Green Day, Lady Gaga, Arcade Fire, The Strokes, Phoenix 2011: Eminem, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, Muse, My Morning Jacket, Deadmau5
Outside Lands
2009: Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews Band, (Beastie Boys) Tenacious D, Incubus, Black Eyed Peas, M.I.A. 2010: Furthur, Kings Of Leon, The Strokes, Phoenix, My Morning Jacket, Social Distortion 2011: Muse, Phish, Phish, Arcade Fire, The Black Keys, Deadmau5
Austin City Limits
2009: Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews Band, (Beastie Boys) Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Kings Of Leon, Ben Harper, Thievery Corporation 2010: The Eagles, Muse, Phish, The Strokes, M.I.A., The Flaming Lips 2011: Stevie Wonder, Arcade Fire, Kanye West, Coldplay, My Morning Jacket, Fleet Foxes
Looking at these headliners it looks like:
Kings Of Leon (5/5) Arcade Fire (5/5) The Strokes (5/5) Muse (4/5) NO Bonnaroo Kanye West (4/5) NO Outside Lands My Morning Jacket (4/5) NO Coachella
Always fun to compare. It looks like Muse is due for Bonnaroo and a BIG booking like Bruce Springsteen. Coachella had McCartney, The Cure, Gorillaz,.. Lollapalooza had Depeche Mode, Tool, Soundgarden,..
I think if Furthur isn't happening for 2012, Bonnaroo could get The Eagles to close the festival. Muse on Friday and someone like Prince on Saturday.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts