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The only plausible reason I think as to why Roo would never have a country headlining act is because the CMA Fest is the same weekend as Roo in Nashville.
I don't love country music but I can also appreciate that there are very talented musicians in the industry.
Buffett would play Buffalo's spot from this year. Kid Rock will never happen cause Roo knows if they booked him as a headliner they would never hear the end of it. IMO Roo will never headline a country act. Just bc someone plays arenas doesnt mean they would headline a festival. And when ZBB comes to Charlotte they play Verizon just like everyother country act that comes to Charlotte. Kid Rock and ZBB will never headline Roo.
July 2005 Bonnaroo will never book Radiohead
July 2006 There is no way Tool would ever headline Bonnaroo
July 2007 Metallica? It will ruin Bonnaroo there will never be a metal a headliner.
July 2008 Phish will never get two nights
July 2009 KOL will never headline
July 2010 There will never be a Rap act as the main headliner for Bonnaroo
Get my drift here?
Also Juggsy I don't particularly care for Kid Rock or his music, for that matter I don't like the Killers either, of course that is not actually the discussion we were having was it?
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I could see Dolly playing Roo, but she'd be in a tent
She would get a stage I imagine, Willie's spot from 09, or Plants from this year. She is a pretty big name down here. I would love to see her on the farm. I actually saw her being driven around in her Cadillac a month or two ago.
I just don't think there is a solid country act that Roo could headline that would draw people to come to the festival. ZBB was 25th on the 2010 lineup. Have they got that much more popular to where they could jump in the top 3? I don't think so. And if there was a country act that maybe could headline it would be Alan Jackson or Kenny Chesney IMO. Still I don't see it happening.
Also Radiohead, Metallica, Tool, Jay Z, Phish, and KOL are way bigger than Zac Brown Band. The fact the ZBB is being compared to these band is ridiculous.
Also Radiohead, Metallica, Tool, Jay Z, Phish, and KOL are way bigger than Zac Brown Band. The fact the ZBB is being compared to these band is ridiculous.
I'm ready to make an argument.
If we want to use the "my friends don't know who such-and-such" argument is, I can really use it here. Being as I live in the South and the "Country Music Capital of the World"... most of the people I know would LOVE to see a country act but haven't even heard of Tool.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
I first attended Roo in '08. Looking back at the '07 line up, I kinda don't understand how Tool was big enough to get that slot. I never knew they were that big.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I live the south too and country fans are not festival goers for the most part. What country act has headlined any major American festival (Roo, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, ACL, etc)? I can't think of one.
I live the south too and country fans are not festival goers for the most part. What country act has headlined any major American festival (Roo, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, ACL, etc)? I can't think of one.
"The 65,000 country music devotees who attended the four-day event spent a record $30 million this year. Local hotels booked an estimated 110,000 nights in hotel rooms, the most ever."
Music fans will pay money to see the music they like, whether it be country or EDM or Hip-hop or whatever. I like to consider Bonnaroo a fest devoted to MUSIC; not just rock/jam/whatever.
I'm trying to point out that it's foolish to say that country music fans don't go to festivals. They do. Maybe not in hipster North Carolina though.
I was trying t make this point with Gaga and Lolla yesterday and i think that it translate to a country fan base attending a country only festival. There are certain people that may attend one type of festival but are probably less likely to go to Roo.
- Surbuban tennagers that go to Lolla just to see Gaga will not camp in TN to see Gaga.
- A hardcore country fan is probably more willing to attend a country only festival (even more so than other genres) Roo is a pretty liberal place and country fans are generally a little more conservative.
Yes, these are generalities, but Roo is a business. Businesses capitalize on generalities to be profitable.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
July 2006 There is no way Tool would ever headline Bonnaroo
July 2007 Metallica? It will ruin Bonnaroo there will never be a metal a headliner.
July 2008 Phish will never get two nights
July 2009 KOL will never headline
July 2010 There will never be a Rap act as the main headliner for Bonnaroo
Get my drift here?
Also Juggsy I don't particularly care for Kid Rock or his music, for that matter I don't like the Killers either, of course that is not actually the discussion we were having was it?
There is absolutely a disconnect between the artists you are citing and what is being discussed here. If I say "Miley Cyrus could and would never headline Bonnaroo," it can't be dismissed by saying "that's what they said about Radiohead/Metallica/Tool/whatever." By that logic, any artist anywhere could headline the festival, and that's a blatantly false theory.
The thing people tend to miss is that it's a combination of things that lead to someone headlining Bonnaroo - popularity (whether "mainstream" or within a given genre/fandom), audience (the people that make up the fanbase), and critical support/talent (how actually good/talented the artist is, as well as what they use that talent for).
For example, Celine Dion will never, ever headline Bonnaroo. She's popular as hell within the commercial setting, and she's got a voice. But a) her popularity comes from among a fanbase that is completely dissimilar to Bonnaroo's, and wouldn't likely translate to the same setting, and b) she has used her skills to make wince-inducing vocal-pop schlock. So cross that off.
By contrast, look at say, Arcade Fire. They're "popular," but only as far as a certain subset of fan is concerned - the type who would go to a festival like Bonnaroo. They've clearly got the critical support and talent, and the music they make is more likely to appeal to the type of person who would attend Bonnaroo.
Another good example would be Metallica, who was seen as a widely controversial choice by many when they headlined. However, they're popular (both commercially and critically - they're well-recognized by heavy metal fans as helping to establish the modern form of the genre and lending a much-needed gravitas to it), their fanbase certainly overlaps with the type who would go to a major music festival (older music fans 30's and over, young American males), and they've got enough chops and credibility in terms of their craft where it made sense.
Looking to someone like Kid Rock, I just can't see it. Sure, he's popular enough (though I don't know if he'd be headlining an 80K festival, but whatever), but he has zero critical appeal, and has churned out two types of music in his career: derivative, second-rate "rap-rock," and derivative, saccharine semi-country balladry. He makes pop music, but he's not even respected as making good pop music. Therein lies the problem.
Say what you want about Bonnaroo and their lineup choices, but the one thing they always go for is quality within any given genre. That's why I think Lady Gaga could happen - if you personally agree with it or not, most critics and many fans consider her to be the pinnacle of modern dance-pop and hold her to a higher standard in terms of the quality of her music (as in, it's not simply disposable). But every artist they book, within their given genre, has established themselves as the class of that genre in terms of a genuine balance of popularity and quality.
I can concede the quality point on Kid Rock, he is just godawful popular, and at least attachable to genres in Bonnaroo's demographic. His audience is primarily 20-35 year old males, who are Bonnaroos main attendees. These same people however do not go see Celine Dion or Miley Cyrus.
He is terrible, and I hope he is never booked, but I do think iti s possible. Lady Gaga is pretty much the same I am sure she will be there sooner or later because her audience also has a similar demographic to Bonnaroos.
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I live the south too and country fans are not festival goers for the most part. What country act has headlined any major American festival (Roo, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, ACL, etc)? I can't think of one.
All I know is if Kid Rock ends up on the farm.... I'll officially think Ashley Capps has lost his mind. I'd still go, and have a great time at all the other shows, and have a wonderful roo, but all the same.
Music fans will pay money to see the music they like, whether it be country or EDM or Hip-hop or whatever. I like to consider Bonnaroo a fest devoted to MUSIC; not just rock/jam/whatever.
No, but that's exactly my point - you can't go by what the genre-specific festivals do/book/etc., because as they're dedicated to that one genre, they specialize in one area and have a higher concentration of those fans. Therefore, a country act who likely wouldn't register at Bonnaroo can play for 65K at the CMA festival, just like an EDM act who would play a late-night tent at Roo would headline the main stage at Ultra or wherever. That's what I'm saying.
Yes, I agree. And I amended my original comment. I was trying to point out that saying country music fans don't go to festivals is foolish.
I didn't say all country music fans dont go to festivals. I said most dont. I like some country music. But if you asked everyone at Roo this year who their favorite band was, I bet you couldn't find 10 people that would answer ZBB.
And by festivals I meant the major fest. Coach, Roo, lolla, etc
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Aug 2 - Beyoncé and Jay-Z
Aug 23-24 - FYF Fest
Sept 17 - The Breeders
Sept 22 - Lykke Li
Oct 6 - Ought
Do you think there's any chance of a CSNY set at roo, so soon after Buffalo Springfield? I actually had tickets to see them in 2006 and LOST the damn things. Something i've been kicking myself over and over for. My friend who went said they were fantastic still.
I live the south too and country fans are not festival goers for the most part. What country act has headlined any major American festival (Roo, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, ACL, etc)? I can't think of one.
Until this year which ones had a rap headliner?
I think that most have had a rap headliner. Jay Z or Kanye
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I didn't say all country music fans dont go to festivals. I said most dont. I like some country music. But if you asked everyone at Roo this year who their favorite band was, I bet you couldn't find 10 people that would answer ZBB.
And by festivals I meant the major fest. Coach, Roo, lolla, etc
Ok, then, so who knows what kind of draw a country headliner would have? No one. Because none of the "major" fests have had one.
There's a first time for everything. Keep an open mind.
I live the south too and country fans are not festival goers for the most part. What country act has headlined any major American festival (Roo, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, ACL, etc)? I can't think of one.
Until this year which ones had a rap headliner?
Lolla had Kanye in 2006 and 2008 and were going to have Beastie Boys in 2009.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
ZBB is 10 times smaller than Jay Z, Kanye, and Eminem. I think we can agree that rap is more popular than country. Every club and most bars play rap every night and all night. If you hear country out at night you have to go to a specific country bar. I have never gone out downtown to bar and heard anyone bumpin ZBB. Everyone listens to a little rap for the most part and it appeals to more festival goers. That's why there are rap headliners and not country. I don't even like most rap btw.
I listen to some country so it is not like I couldn't enjoy a country headliner but I just don't think Roo would ever book it unless it was a last resort. Even as a last resort I dont think they would do it. They would headline the FLips or someone else before throwing ZBB into mix. Having ZBB in the top 3 would make the lineup look hella weak and Roo knows that
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Aug 2 - Beyoncé and Jay-Z
Aug 23-24 - FYF Fest
Sept 17 - The Breeders
Sept 22 - Lykke Li
Oct 6 - Ought