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And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
Rage is playng LA Rising on 7/30 and have played one off shows in the past few years. It's not something to expect, but not out of the realm of possibilities.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
Post by RadioSpirit on Jul 12, 2011 0:01:57 GMT -5
I think you guys are overestimating CCR. I mean, I love CCR, and I thought John Fogerty's show in 2010 was easily one of my favorite. But they're not headliner-material.
I dunno, a reunited CCR would be a pretty big deal.
Exactly. Fogerty was a pre-headliner because even though he's playing the same songs, he doesn't have the CCR name behind him. I could easily see a reunited CCR closing out Sunday within the next few years if Bonnaroo ends up moving away from the usual jam closer.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
I think you guys are overestimating CCR. I mean, I love CCR, and I thought John Fogerty's show in 2010 was easily one of my favorite. But they're not headliner-material.
I understand the argument in the jam roots of Bonnaroo, but the recent trend has been moving away from that. Look at the amount of hip hop this year vs jam. Take a random sampling of those who attended this year and ask them who's CCR vs Furthur. I understand the Dead ties, but Bonnaroo has hit the mainstream and will likely to continue in that direction, at least that is my prediction. CCR has multiple hits still getting regular play on classic stations.
I guess it would depend on the circumstances of the show. If it is the first ever reunion of the group for the first time since 1972, I'd say headliner for sure. If they tour a lot prior to the show, I could see the Furthur argument or pre-headliner spot.
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Post by RadioSpirit on Jul 12, 2011 0:31:30 GMT -5
Technically he was a pre-pre-headliner. And you're right, he was playing all the same songs he would be playing with CCR, just with two additional guys who barely contributed to the creative output. Sure, the name recognition of CCR is much higher than Fogerty, but if the Allman Brothers were 8th on the lineup in 2008, I don't see CCR being a Top3 band.
I think you guys are overestimating CCR. I mean, I love CCR, and I thought John Fogerty's show in 2010 was easily one of my favorite. But they're not headliner-material.
I understand the argument in the jam roots of Bonnaroo, but the recent trend has been moving away from that. Look at the amount of hip hop this year vs jam. Take a random sampling of those who attended this year and ask them who's CCR vs Furthur. I understand the Dead ties, but Bonnaroo has hit the mainstream and will likely to continue in that direction, at least that is my prediction. CCR has multiple hits still getting regular play on classic stations.
I guess it would depend on the circumstances of the show. If it is the first ever reunion of the group for the first time since 1972, I'd say headliner for sure. If they tour a lot prior to the show, I could see the Furthur argument.
If Bonnaroo somehow managed to book the very first CCR show, then maybe. But even then I see a much-hyped Buffalo Springfield-style set. But I wouldn't rule it out in that situation. But honestly, when you compare CCR's name with that of other past headliners, I think it's clear that CCR is much closer to The Allman Brothers, Buffalo Springfield, Robert Plant, Willie Nelson, Elvis Costello type of classic acts than Tom Petty, Metallica, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder, or The Police.
I understand the argument in the jam roots of Bonnaroo, but the recent trend has been moving away from that. Look at the amount of hip hop this year vs jam. Take a random sampling of those who attended this year and ask them who's CCR vs Furthur. I understand the Dead ties, but Bonnaroo has hit the mainstream and will likely to continue in that direction, at least that is my prediction. CCR has multiple hits still getting regular play on classic stations.
I guess it would depend on the circumstances of the show. If it is the first ever reunion of the group for the first time since 1972, I'd say headliner for sure. If they tour a lot prior to the show, I could see the Furthur argument.
If Bonnaroo somehow managed to book the very first CCR show, then maybe. But even then I see a much-hyped Buffalo Springfield-style set. But I wouldn't rule it out in that situation. But honestly, when you compare CCR's name with that of other past headliners, I think it's clear that CCR is much closer to The Allman Brothers, Buffalo Springfield, Robert Plant, Willie Nelson, Elvis Costello type of classic acts than Tom Petty, Metallica, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder, or The Police.
I agree. They won't headline Sunday since they aren't a jam band. That leaves Saturday, which won't happen, or Friday. Consider them against another potential Friday act like Muse. Muse is a bigger name bring get me wrong, I love CCR, they are my mom's favorite band other than the Beatles, but Muse is just bigger today.
would love to see a classic rock band back in there, Maybe Tom Petty returns? Rolling Stones? Also, a long shot, maybe My Morning Jacket headlining, with Mumford & Sons taking the 8pm slot on what stage after seeing that crowd let me know what you think
Moving away from the CCR point. How many jam bands are capable of handling the jam headliner spot? Perhaps i'm over estimating the sell out this year, but to me, there are few jam bands you put at the top of 80k+ festival. Basically I'm advocating Bonnaroo has reached a point in popularity sell outs could be come the norm. So, those that come to mind are Phish, the Dead/Furthur, WSP, Dave Matthews Band/friends(I'm not saying they're jam, but they've been in that spot before). Anyone else?
Moving away from the CCR point. How many jam bands are capable of handling the jam headliner spot? Perhaps i'm over estimating the sell out this year, but to me, there are few jam bands you put at the top of 80k+ festival. Basically I'm advocating Bonnaroo has reached a point in popularity sell outs could be come the norm. So, those that come to mind are Phish, the Dead/Furthur, WSP, Dave Matthews Band/friends(I'm not saying they're jam, but they've been in that spot before). Anyone else?
CCR CSNY Santana The Eagles (ugh) Clapton maybe MMJ
I'm sure there are others. The Sunday jam friendly headliner going away theory has been out there for a few years. Still hasn't happened. I don't think it is going away anytime soon.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
I figured people would be pretty split on weather or not CCR would headline. I am still of the pre-headline mind set. If they closed the Which they probably wouldn't have much time constriction and could play for a couple hours where as if they pre HL that's not the case. Mind you, if they close the Which and you aren't close you'll never hear it.
I like CCR 6:30-8:00 --> Further 9-11:30 for Sunday evening. Or CCR 8-10-->Further 11-2 Friday night. It doesn't HAVE to be a band like Muse, Coldplay, FF, RHCP for Friday, does it?
Moving away from the CCR point. How many jam bands are capable of handling the jam headliner spot? Perhaps i'm over estimating the sell out this year, but to me, there are few jam bands you put at the top of 80k+ festival. Basically I'm advocating Bonnaroo has reached a point in popularity sell outs could be come the norm. So, those that come to mind are Phish, the Dead/Furthur, WSP, Dave Matthews Band/friends(I'm not saying they're jam, but they've been in that spot before). Anyone else?
Are you saying that spot shouldn't always be a jam spot? If so I agree, it's gotten silly at this point to keep recycling the same few bands in that spot.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 12, 2011 10:31:57 GMT -5
Would seeing a reunited CCR really be that much different than a Fogerty solo show? I'm guessing the musicians he is playing with now are better than CCR at this point.
I think that is CCR were to reunite for Bonnaroo ONLY, they would be billed third, as the Sunday Headliner. That being said. if they played any other shows at all, they would be in Buffalo Springfeild's spot for sure. Consider if you will:
Further plays saturday LN (what) and is billed 4th CCR closes what on Sunday and is Billed 3rd