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I just went to your last.fm out of curiosity, do you share that with someone else?
There are two of us who use it. Two VERY different music tastes. Yet we meet in the middle on some things. Also both of us are ADD on our music taste. One week I'm WSP, Dead the next I'm Skrillex and Deadmau5. So it's all one giant hot mess.
Some times I lose all respect for some of you on this board. There is not a chance in hell SOAD would headline anything other than This Tent. Do you really think 90,000 people are going to want to pound their heads to that music for two hours? How many albums have they sold?
Hell, look at just the past two years. Headliners: KOL, Stevie, DMB. AF, Eminem, WSP. I guarantee that all six of those bands have probably sold twice as many albums as SOAD. But since we can't really use album sales as a bench marker these days, look at how much money all six of those bands pull off of touring, versus how much SOAD pulls for touring.
System of a Down headlining, quack me.
You are foolish and your opinions are wrong
SOAD is bigger than KOL or AF. I don't really feel like doing the research but I'm pretty certain they've sold plenty of albums and they've had some very well attended arena tours. I'm fairly sure they could headline. I am 99% certain they would be in the top 5.
Edit: Fuck it
FACT: Toxicity sold 10 FUCKING MILLION ALBUMS
FACT: Mesemerize and Hypnotize also both went platinum
Post by champagne cory on Jul 19, 2011 18:41:25 GMT -5
That is a lot of albums, but the year was 2001, when people still bought music. I'm not going to argue over System of a Down. You think they are top five, I don't, let's move on and be friends.
That is a lot of albums, but the year was 2001, when people still bought music. I'm not going to argue over System of a Down. You think they are top five, I don't, let's move on and be friends.
Post by RadioSpirit on Jul 19, 2011 18:58:17 GMT -5
I think they'd be Top 5, but not Top 3. But I agree with whoever said that the argument over whether or not they could headline is a legitimate argument. It's not ridiculous to think a band like SoaD could headline, even though I personally would bet against it.
But I would also bet against their playing Bonnaroo, period. Lollapalooza makes more sense for them.
They seem like a LN Which, or a Which Stage split headliner like Byrne or Primus.
I just went to your last.fm out of curiosity, do you share that with someone else?
There are two of us who use it. Two VERY different music tastes. Yet we meet in the middle on some things. Also both of us are ADD on our music taste. One week I'm WSP, Dead the next I'm Skrillex and Deadmau5. So it's all one giant hot mess.
Post by NotMitchelBade on Jul 19, 2011 21:43:30 GMT -5
I think that they could easily headline if they released a new album and it did well. Otherwise, I'm on the fence. But I do know I'd love to see them on the farm. Although they do seem like more of a Lolla act.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Jul 19, 2011 21:47:02 GMT -5
I'm about certain they couldn't headline today. Top 5 is a maybe, but at best they would be number 5. Their album sales numbers are irrelevant by today's standards. Sure they were very big, but not so much anymore. If they were going to be near the top of the bill, I would think they would have to show some sort of success with a reunion tour to justify being placed that high. I also agree with Lolla being a much more likely destination for them.
My feelings on the SOAD headliner debate are as follows...
They could always flip the script, but Bonnaroo headliners seem to have only come out of three categories:
1) Jambands; 2) Legendary acts with large catalogs and careers that have spanned several decades; and 3) within the last two years, bands with smaller catalogs but a lot of recent buzz and careers clearly on the uptake (I.e. KoL, AF).
SOAD would be fairly high on the lineup, but they don't fit any of these categories, IMO.
...and then I just thought about Eminem, who doesn't completely fit into any of these categories. He would be closest to category 2, with his shorter career span preventing him from being in it completely, but he is considerably bigger than SOAD.
My feelings on the SOAD headliner debate are as follows...
They could always flip the script, but Bonnaroo headliners seem to have only come out of three categories:
1) Jambands; 2) Legendary acts with large catalogs and careers that have spanned several decades; and 3) within the last two years, bands with smaller catalogs but a lot of recent buzz and careers clearly on the uptake (I.e. KoL, AF).
SOAD would be fairly high on the lineup, but they don't fit any of these categories, IMO.
I was going to go almost in the same direction as to what you need to be a headliner, I agree with your opinion. I was going to say: Bands that are newer but hot and selling venues well. Bands that if you mention the word reunion, people start lining up for tickets. Bands that have a large and loyal following, their fans will go all over to see them.
My feelings on the SOAD headliner debate are as follows...
They could always flip the script, but Bonnaroo headliners seem to have only come out of three categories:
1) Jambands; 2) Legendary acts with large catalogs and careers that have spanned several decades; and 3) within the last two years, bands with smaller catalogs but a lot of recent buzz and careers clearly on the uptake (I.e. KoL, AF).
SOAD would be fairly high on the lineup, but they don't fit any of these categories, IMO.
Which category does Tool fit into?
But I agree SOAD wouldn't headline. I think they would be 4th.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
Some times I lose all respect for some of you on this board. There is not a chance in hell SOAD would headline anything other than This Tent. Do you really think 90,000 people are going to want to pound their heads to that music for two hours? How many albums have they sold?
Hell, look at just the past two years. Headliners: KOL, Stevie, DMB. AF, Eminem, WSP. I guarantee that all six of those bands have probably sold twice as many albums as SOAD. But since we can't really use album sales as a bench marker these days, look at how much money all six of those bands pull off of touring, versus how much SOAD pulls for touring.
System of a Down headlining, quack me.
You are foolish and your opinions are wrong
SOAD is bigger than KOL or AF. I don't really feel like doing the research but I'm pretty certain they've sold plenty of albums and they've had some very well attended arena tours. I'm fairly sure they could headline. I am 99% certain they would be in the top 5.
Edit: quack it
FACT: Toxicity sold 10 FUCKING MILLION ALBUMS
FACT: Mesemerize and Hypnotize also both went platinum
Sorry to burst your bubble, Laggy, but System of a Down is almost completely irrelevant by now. Maybe their sales numbers from 10 years ago justify them headlining a festival, but I feel very confident in opining that Bonnaroo would not book them if they wanted headliner status. Would they headline some other, cornier festival like KanROCKsas or ROCKLAHOMA? Maybe. But Bonnaroo would probably never book SOAD for the same reasons they'll (fingers crossed) never book bands like Staind or Hinder or Papa Roach. And they definitely wouldn't book them as a headliner.
Post by Mean Mr. Mustard on Jul 20, 2011 13:33:03 GMT -5
How long has it been since SOAD played a show. Bands tend to get overvalued by breaking up/not playing shows ever then getting back together. Rage is a good example. Every time they play a show its huge, but they havent put out new music since 2000/2001.
I don't think SOAD is quite as big or as good as Rage, but if they announced a reunion and played a few shows it would probably be hyped up a lot by the media.
Post by Mean Mr. Mustard on Jul 20, 2011 13:43:38 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I had no clue they had reunited, but Ill admit I wasn't looking for it either. I would be surprised if Roo went after them to be honest.
Post by NotMitchelBade on Jul 20, 2011 21:45:23 GMT -5
Being 5th versus 6th really depends on who else is playing, but the more I think about it the more I lean against them headlining. Although I would love to see them play at Roo, no matter what.
Due to boredom, I've come up with my first predictions (not exactly a wishlist):
FRIDAY: What: Queens of the Stone Age -> Muse (HL) Which: Animal Collective (LN)
SUNDAY: What: Fleet Foxes -> Furthur Which: The Shins (closer)
Other LN Acts: Disco Biscuits, Cut Copy, MSTRKRFT, DFA1979, OFWGKTA, Moby, Calvin Harris
I need some more rap acts and more jam acts possibly, but that looks pretty realistic I think. I could see Deadmau5 in Justice's or Animal Collective's spot, though. Animal Collective could be in a tent LN, although I doubt it.
SOAD is bigger than KOL or AF. I don't really feel like doing the research but I'm pretty certain they've sold plenty of albums and they've had some very well attended arena tours. I'm fairly sure they could headline. I am 99% certain they would be in the top 5.
Edit: quack it
FACT: Toxicity sold 10 FUCKING MILLION ALBUMS
FACT: Mesemerize and Hypnotize also both went platinum
Sorry to burst your bubble, Laggy, but System of a Down is almost completely irrelevant by now. Maybe their sales numbers from 10 years ago justify them headlining a festival, but I feel very confident in opining that Bonnaroo would not book them if they wanted headliner status. Would they headline some other, cornier festival like KanROCKsas or ROCKLAHOMA? Maybe. But Bonnaroo would probably never book SOAD for the same reasons they'll (fingers crossed) never book bands like Staind or Hinder or Papa Roach. And they definitely wouldn't book them as a headliner.
You could be right. To a certain degree, at least. I kind of think people just forgot about SoaD though. I think if they put out a new album with good reviews and a popular radio signal they could easily reclaim their popularity. Also I feel they have more integrity than bands like papa roach and hinder. I think it's unfair to lump them together.
Also, the more I think about it, even if SoaD could headline I just don't see AC/Superfly pursuing them. But then again I would've said the same thing about Lil Wayne before this year... and Gwar the year before that... So who knows.
Being 5th versus 6th really depends on who else is playing, but the more I think about it the more I lean against them headlining. Although I would love to see them play at Roo, no matter what.
Due to boredom, I've come up with my first predictions (not exactly a wishlist):
FRIDAY: What: Queens of the Stone Age -> Muse (HL) Which: Animal Collective (LN)
SUNDAY: What: Fleet Foxes -> Furthur Which: The Shins (closer)
Other LN Acts: Disco Biscuits, Cut Copy, MSTRKRFT, DFA1979, OFWGKTA, Moby, Calvin Harris
I need some more rap acts and more jam acts possibly, but that looks pretty realistic I think. I could see Deadmau5 in Justice's or Animal Collective's spot, though. Animal Collective could be in a tent LN, although I doubt it.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
Has anyone considered The Faces + Rod Stewart for a headliner (or maybe closing Which)? Not sure how big of a draw they are (although they're headlining Fuji).
Kind of a nice throwback and a rarity. The Faces are touring without Rod, but with Rod it would be a major 'get'.
With Rod, I'd say they'd headline, without they'd probably have a major What slot (Black Keys/MMJ).
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Jul 25, 2011 16:47:08 GMT -5
I kind of doubt The Faces are popular enough for that high profile spot. Most of the Bonaroo crowd would either know them as "Oh that band with that song that plays over movie credits," or "Who?"