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I guess I severely underestimated their drawing power. Heck, when you look at YouTube, the watch count difference is like night and day.
Little Lion Man - 30M+ The Cave - almost 13M Winter Winds 7M+
And I love you 1.7M Head Full 1M
Everything else under 1M
I realize this is not the only indicator, and I know there are plenty of other bands that can and would draw massive crowds with small YouTube watch counts. However, if these 2 bands are "similar" why the HUGE disparity?
Im asking, not trying to be a smartass
1. The Avetts are from Western North Carolina, so the foundation of their fanbase is the next state over from Roo. If we were talking Coachella, I think it'd be different. 2. I think the youtube view counts can be misleading. A quick look at recent Roo headliners shows this. All these numbers are for the video with the largest number of views.
Arcade Fire - 6.4 million Phish - 785k (video with Jay Z) Widespread Panic - 385k
Whereas these groups are obviously not headliners and have higher view counts Foster the People - 57 million Wiz Khalifa - 114 million (who went against M&S on What and drew what looked like a smaller crowd) LMFAO - 350 million
Post by A$AP Rosko on Jan 14, 2012 10:38:13 GMT -5
Mumford's crowd was SIGNIFICANTLY larger than Wiz's. I was at !!! I think (which was absolutely amazing, easily one of my favorite surprises of the weekend last year), and I could see their crowd from the tent where !!! were playing and it was completely out of control. I'd say it was probably even bigger than Wayne's crowd on Which Friday night.
Although I do agree, we are, in a sense, talking about apples and oranges when it comes to the difference between types of music on YouTube. I do, however, TOTALLY get your point, so don't think I am avoiding it.
Hip Hop/Rap gets way more views than other types of music. Its just how it is. I had literally never heard that LMFAO song before - and I saw it had 350M views so I had to give it a listen. Not real impressed but hey - a lot of people like it so it MUST be good LMFAO (pun intended)
And of course Phish doesn't get much play on YouTube, like they don't on the radio either.
YouTube seems to have something in common with radio play maybe? I know Pumped Up Kicks got a TON of radio play. So did Wiz. I guess LMFAO did too?
Now lets relate that to Mumford and Avett Bros. Mumford obviously got quite a bit of radio play. The Avett Bros? I am guessing not.
So where does the popularity come from? Just from putting out cut after cut and touring, building a fan base? I can respect that. Also, do they jam much?
(I have just started listening to them today - never before so forgive me if Im being dumb about AB)
Mumford's crowd was SIGNIFICANTLY larger than Wiz's. I was at !!! I think (which was absolutely amazing, easily one of my favorite surprises of the weekend last year), and I could see their crowd from the tent where !!! were playing and it was completely out of control. I'd say it was probably even bigger than Wayne's crowd on Which Friday night.
There is a picture of that in the conflict thread. Its crazy. I was up front for Mumford only to wait for a good spot for BS. Once Mumford came off the first time, the whole front pretty much emptied out. I rushed forward while everyone else was getting out of there, and got a really good spot for the encore and for BS. But seeing the arial photo of what and which when those 2 shows were happening was NUTS.
Mumford's crowd was SIGNIFICANTLY larger than Wiz's. I was at !!! I think (which was absolutely amazing, easily one of my favorite surprises of the weekend last year), and I could see their crowd from the tent where !!! were playing and it was completely out of control. I'd say it was probably even bigger than Wayne's crowd on Which Friday night.
Would anyone even complain if Arcade Fire just headlined Friday night again? Watching them on Palladia right now and I would be perfectly ok getting to see this show again. Hell, bring MMJ back too but let them play afterwards this time. That was a great night of music
Post by klimfactor on Jan 14, 2012 11:22:56 GMT -5
I was in that Mumford crowd, along with my wife, and it was insanely packed from the trees to the stage. My wife felt uncomfortable, so we ended up watching most of the show from in front of the Brewers tent. I always thought that pic illustrated why they should have switched the two acts, with Wiz on Which and Mumford on the What.
Would anyone even complain if Arcade Fire just headlined Friday night again? Watching them on Palladia right now and I would be perfectly ok getting to see this show again. Hell, bring MMJ back too but let them play afterwards this time. That was a great night of music
Now lets relate that to Mumford and Avett Bros. Mumford obviously got quite a bit of radio play. The Avett Bros? I am guessing not.
So where does the popularity come from? Just from putting out cut after cut and touring, building a fan base? I can respect that. Also, do they jam much?
(I have just started listening to them today - never before so forgive me if Im being dumb about AB)
Yeah, they're one of the bands that have steadily built a fan base by putting out awesome albums and touring all the time which is why I said that Roo being in Tennessee factors into the argument because the Avetts have toured more in the southeast just because that's where they are from.
There is a definite difference in the radio play that M&S have gotten vs. the Avetts, so the average person is more likely to have heard of M&S. I'd argue that the Avetts have a more dedicated fan base in the southeast at least.
Lastly, they do not jam much. They recently put out a new live album which is on Spotify if you wanted to check it out to get an idea of what a show is like.
Would anyone even complain if Arcade Fire just headlined Friday night again? Watching them on Palladia right now and I would be perfectly ok getting to see this show again. Hell, bring MMJ back too but let them play afterwards this time. That was a great night of music
I think the American version of Old Crow Medicine Show should headline before the British version does.
That's a fair point for Mumford & Sons (although I think they are much closer to a British version of the Avett Brothers), but not a fair point for the Avett Brothers. Avetts and OCMS started putting out material around the same time. Yes, wikipedia says OCMS was established two years prior to the Avetts, but they did not do anything of significance that two brothers from Western North Carolina would have heard and imitated.
I think the American version of Old Crow Medicine Show should headline before the British version does.
That's a fair point for Mumford & Sons (although I think they are much closer to a British version of the Avett Brothers), but not a fair point for the Avett Brothers. Avetts and OCMS started putting out material around the same time. Yes, wikipedia says OCMS was established two years prior to the Avetts, but they did not do anything of significance that two brothers from Western North Carolina would have heard and imitated.
I was referring to Mumford not the Avetts, and the lead singer actually said they were the British version of OCMS on a Lightning 100 interview last year.
That's a fair point for Mumford & Sons (although I think they are much closer to a British version of the Avett Brothers), but not a fair point for the Avett Brothers. Avetts and OCMS started putting out material around the same time. Yes, wikipedia says OCMS was established two years prior to the Avetts, but they did not do anything of significance that two brothers from Western North Carolina would have heard and imitated.
I was referring to Mumford not the Avetts, and the lead singer actually said they were the British version of OCMS on a Lightning 100 interview last year.
Ah, ok. My bad. Given the discussion, I thought you were referring to Avett Brothers as the AMerican version of OCMS, but I guess OCMS would be the American version of OCMS.
Post by shesajar09 on Jan 14, 2012 11:59:49 GMT -5
Mumford is like if the decemberists were from england. Where the decemberists are an american band trying to imitate old english culture, mumford is a british band trying to imitate old american culture. not a fan, personally
Also when are you gonna come to Yazoo for a beer shmohawk?
I need to sometime soon. I haven't been over there yet, and it isn't too far away from me. I've also only had their Dos Perros and their Gerst beer, so it's time to see what else they have to offer.
As for Mumford & Sons, sucks is a strong word. I just don't get the hype, and think many other bluegrass-like bands have been there and done it much better. This is just a half-assed theory, but I think they would not have risen to such extreme popularity had they not used the f-word in one of their big hits.
The way I see it Mumford is currently bigger than The Avetts but with both bands having albums coming out I think The Avetts have a better chance of growing that audience. From what I've heard Mumford's album is going to be much in the same as the last one. The Avetts are always changing stuff around and I believe I read that this will be more electric than their other material. If nothing else I think I see The Avetts becoming Wilco popular.
PS Mumford and Sons is not Bluegrass. I would classify them as Acoustic Pop personally.
Mumford is like if the decemberists were from england. Where the decemberists are an american band trying to imitate old english culture, mumford is a british band trying to imitate old american culture. not a fan, personally
See, I see a lot of similarities in bluegrass and celtic music. I've never understood the organizers' fully embracing one and virtually ignoring the other.
Not trying to convert anyone to M&S. I think that they've got a few great songs in the album and have pulled off some great live shows but I get how it's not everybody's thing, especially with their rocket in popularity.
Incidentally, their rise in popularity at the festival was similar to Phoenix and Zac Brown Band's. I'm hoping that Band of Skulls makes that leap this year.
The way I see it Mumford is currently bigger than The Avetts but with both bands having albums coming out I think The Avetts have a better chance of growing that audience. From what I've heard Mumford's album is going to be much in the same as the last one. The Avetts are always changing stuff around and I believe I read that this will be more electric than their other material. If nothing else I think I see The Avetts becoming Wilco popular.
PS Mumford and Sons is not Bluegrass. I would classify them as Acoustic Pop personally.
Hooray! I was waiting for Bacon to get in on this!