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I feel like it's mostly the "shut up and sing" crowd that complain about Taylor Swift coverage during their football games. Is this not the case?
Is that the boomer crowd?
More specifically the conservative crowd than the boomer crowd. If Jason Aldean were dating an NFL player, they would love to see him on all the game coverage. Errrrr....... maybe not.
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Since we’re talking about it here instead of NFL thrread. Just saw the local Fox channel make a Facebook post for people to wish Colin Kaepernick happy birthday. lol starting shit, they know exactly what kind of replies they’re going to get to that.
More specifically the conservative crowd than the boomer crowd. If Jason Aldean were dating an NFL player, they would love to see him on all the game coverage. Errrrr....... maybe not.
Conservatives love Taylor. Also white supremicists.
Since we’re talking about it here instead of NFL thrread. Just saw the local Fox channel make a Facebook post for people to wish Colin Kaepernick happy birthday. lol starting shit, they know exactly what kind of replies they’re going to get to that.
lmao I would totally do this kinda stuff if I ran a big page
More specifically the conservative crowd than the boomer crowd. If Jason Aldean were dating an NFL player, they would love to see him on all the game coverage. Errrrr....... maybe not.
Conservatives love Taylor. Also white supremicists.
Do they? She's come out in support of Democrat politicians and reproductive rights, and her push for young people to register to vote goes counter to their whole electoral plan. Plus, now she's dating someone who endorses the COVID-19 vaccine. I've seen a lot of right-wing assholes on twitter ranting against her in the past six months. Then again, I don't interact with a lot of conservatives IRL, so I don't know what the non-online take on her is in that crowd.
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Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
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Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
Conservatives love Taylor. Also white supremicists.
Do they? She's come out in support of Democrat politicians and reproductive rights, and her push for young people to register to vote goes counter to their whole electoral plan. Plus, now she's dating someone who endorses the COVID-19 vaccine. I've seen a lot of right-wing assholes on twitter ranting against her in the past six months. Then again, I don't interact with a lot of conservatives IRL, so I don't know what the non-online take on her is in that crowd.
Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
Do they? She's come out in support of Democrat politicians and reproductive rights, and her push for young people to register to vote goes counter to their whole electoral plan. Plus, now she's dating someone who endorses the COVID-19 vaccine. I've seen a lot of right-wing assholes on twitter ranting against her in the past six months. Then again, I don't interact with a lot of conservatives IRL, so I don't know what the non-online take on her is in that crowd.
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Do they? She's come out in support of Democrat politicians and reproductive rights, and her push for young people to register to vote goes counter to their whole electoral plan. Plus, now she's dating someone who endorses the COVID-19 vaccine. I've seen a lot of right-wing assholes on twitter ranting against her in the past six months. Then again, I don't interact with a lot of conservatives IRL, so I don't know what the non-online take on her is in that crowd.
Upcoming Shows: 10/18 - Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit & Iris DeMent @ Ryman Auditorium 11/8 - Goose @ The Andrew J. Brady Center 11/13 - Bobby Weir & Wolf Bros w/ The Wolfpack & The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall 2/14 - Alan Walker @ The Fillmore Detroit 4/15 - Ben Folds w/ The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall
Do they? She's come out in support of Democrat politicians and reproductive rights, and her push for young people to register to vote goes counter to their whole electoral plan. Plus, now she's dating someone who endorses the COVID-19 vaccine. I've seen a lot of right-wing assholes on twitter ranting against her in the past six months. Then again, I don't interact with a lot of conservatives IRL, so I don't know what the non-online take on her is in that crowd.
Upcoming Shows: 10/18 - Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit & Iris DeMent @ Ryman Auditorium 11/8 - Goose @ The Andrew J. Brady Center 11/13 - Bobby Weir & Wolf Bros w/ The Wolfpack & The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall 2/14 - Alan Walker @ The Fillmore Detroit 4/15 - Ben Folds w/ The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall
Upcoming Shows: 10/18 - Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit & Iris DeMent @ Ryman Auditorium 11/8 - Goose @ The Andrew J. Brady Center 11/13 - Bobby Weir & Wolf Bros w/ The Wolfpack & The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall 2/14 - Alan Walker @ The Fillmore Detroit 4/15 - Ben Folds w/ The Cincinnati Pops Orchestra @ Cincinnati Music Hall
Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
I like a lot of her songs well-enough, but I suspect that what makes those songs eminently listenable has more to do with the co-writers/producers who bring hooks on top of hooks.
Without a doubt, Max Martin has been the most significant figure in popular music in this century, to date. He has the ability to layers hooks on top of hooks on top of hooks, and slyly work rock influences into pop songs, in a way that gets people to say "Damn, I usually can't stand this sort of music, but this song is great." We Are Never Ever... and Shake It Off both sound like the sort of songs that Martin could have handed off to any one of a half-dozen singers and produced a number one hit. With some Taylor Swift songs, I get the impression that she comes in with lyrics and a bare-bones melody, and the co-writer/producer does the heavy lifting.
The Weeknd would be headlining theaters and ballrooms if it wasn't for two Max Martin songs.
Antonoff isn't quite at Martin's level, but he's pretty good with hooks himself, as Cruel Summer demonstrates.
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Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
I like a lot of her songs well-enough, but I suspect that what makes those songs eminently listenable has more to do with the co-writers/producers who bring hooks on top of hooks.
Without a doubt, Max Martin has been the most significant figure in popular music in this century, to date. He has the ability to layers hooks on top of hooks on top of hooks, and slyly work rock influences into pop songs, in a way that gets people to say "Damn, I usually can't stand this sort of music, but this song is great." We Are Never Ever... and Shake It Off both sound like the sort of songs that Martin could have handed off to any one of a half-dozen singers and produced a number one hit. With some Taylor Swift songs, I get the impression that she comes in with lyrics and a bare-bones melody, and the co-writer/producer does the heavy lifting.
The Weeknd would be headlining theaters and ballrooms if it wasn't for two Max Martin songs.
Antonoff isn't quite at Martin's level, but he's pretty good with hooks himself, as Cruel Summer demonstrates.
this is an incredibly dismissive take on the songwriting abilities of Taylor Swift. if you know anything about her you know how deeply personal she takes songwriting especially in terms of the artist owning their work, hence the re-records and TVs. i hate to say it but it's coming off as "oh surely SHE can't be that good without the help of a man". anyway, not that you will, but there are plenty of documentaries and interviews where she goes through her songwriting process if you'd like to change your perspective on that matter.
I like a lot of her songs well-enough, but I suspect that what makes those songs eminently listenable has more to do with the co-writers/producers who bring hooks on top of hooks.
Without a doubt, Max Martin has been the most significant figure in popular music in this century, to date. He has the ability to layers hooks on top of hooks on top of hooks, and slyly work rock influences into pop songs, in a way that gets people to say "Damn, I usually can't stand this sort of music, but this song is great." We Are Never Ever... and Shake It Off both sound like the sort of songs that Martin could have handed off to any one of a half-dozen singers and produced a number one hit. With some Taylor Swift songs, I get the impression that she comes in with lyrics and a bare-bones melody, and the co-writer/producer does the heavy lifting.
The Weeknd would be headlining theaters and ballrooms if it wasn't for two Max Martin songs.
Antonoff isn't quite at Martin's level, but he's pretty good with hooks himself, as Cruel Summer demonstrates.
this is an incredibly dismissive take on the songwriting abilities of Taylor Swift. if you know anything about her you know how deeply personal she takes songwriting especially in terms of the artist owning their work, hence the re-records and TVs. i hate to say it but it's coming off as "oh surely SHE can't be that good without the help of a man". anyway, not that you will, but there are plenty of documentaries and interviews where she goes through her songwriting process if you'd like to change your perspective on that matter.
The weakest song on Folklore and Evermore combined was the one she wrote on her own. Obviously, the lyrics are all her (with producers minimally tweaking the words), but the melodies that don't sound like she wrote them were likely the work of her co-writers. She displays literally no Motown influence in her work for years, and then suddenly writes a melody that sounds like prime Holland-Dozier-Holland? Shake It Off was pure Max Martin. We Are Never Ever... sounds more like a Weezer song. What makes a pop song an irresistable hit has less to do with the lyrics and melody than the arrangement and performance. Shake It Off was a hit for the same reason that I Want It That Way and Blinding Lights were hits. They were primarily written and arranged by someone who's turned pop songwriting and production into a mathematical formula. (For example, Swift told an interviewer that Max Martin instructed her to sing certain syllables on the beat, one of his countless production strategies. Funnily enough, I once heard Britney Spears praised on a podcast for the way she hit syllables on the beat, as if it was her invention.)
It's not that she needs the help of a man because she's a woman. She chooses to work with producers who take a very active role in co-writing and arranging. If you work with Max Martin or Jack Antonoff, you're working with someone who is very hands on in the creation of the work, as opposed to a producer who positions themselves more as an editor, than a co-author, so to speak. It's not that she's a woman and can't do it without the help of a man. The Weeknd has never created anything as memorable as Blinding Lights or I Can't Feel My Face without Max Martin.
Now, put her in a studio with someone like Rick Rubin who functions more like an editor or advisor than an active co-creator, and it would be really interesting to hear what she comes up with. Until she decides to work with someone who leaves the sonic architecture primarily in the hands of the artist, or she does her own Nebraska, people will always ask those questions and that's entirely fair.
She chooses whom to work with and if she chooses to work only with producers who take a very active role in the creation of the music, people will always wonder how much of it is her work and how much of it is what the producer brought to the table.
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Taylor Swift should just run for president, or maybe her fans can start a write in campaign for her to primary Biden. Then we'd have an actual reason for her to be in the news all the time that's not just corporate phantasmagoria meant to siphon everyone in the fucking country's money and attention
I like a lot of her songs well-enough, but I suspect that what makes those songs eminently listenable has more to do with the co-writers/producers who bring hooks on top of hooks.
Without a doubt, Max Martin has been the most significant figure in popular music in this century, to date. He has the ability to layers hooks on top of hooks on top of hooks, and slyly work rock influences into pop songs, in a way that gets people to say "Damn, I usually can't stand this sort of music, but this song is great." We Are Never Ever... and Shake It Off both sound like the sort of songs that Martin could have handed off to any one of a half-dozen singers and produced a number one hit. With some Taylor Swift songs, I get the impression that she comes in with lyrics and a bare-bones melody, and the co-writer/producer does the heavy lifting.
The Weeknd would be headlining theaters and ballrooms if it wasn't for two Max Martin songs.
Antonoff isn't quite at Martin's level, but he's pretty good with hooks himself, as Cruel Summer demonstrates.
The Weeknd produced his first 3 releases himself. No Max Martin needed and he was already touring bigger venues before he even released Beauty Behind The Madness.
I like a lot of her songs well-enough, but I suspect that what makes those songs eminently listenable has more to do with the co-writers/producers who bring hooks on top of hooks.
Without a doubt, Max Martin has been the most significant figure in popular music in this century, to date. He has the ability to layers hooks on top of hooks on top of hooks, and slyly work rock influences into pop songs, in a way that gets people to say "Damn, I usually can't stand this sort of music, but this song is great." We Are Never Ever... and Shake It Off both sound like the sort of songs that Martin could have handed off to any one of a half-dozen singers and produced a number one hit. With some Taylor Swift songs, I get the impression that she comes in with lyrics and a bare-bones melody, and the co-writer/producer does the heavy lifting.
The Weeknd would be headlining theaters and ballrooms if it wasn't for two Max Martin songs.
Antonoff isn't quite at Martin's level, but he's pretty good with hooks himself, as Cruel Summer demonstrates.
The Weeknd produced his first 3 releases himself. No Max Martin needed and he was already touring bigger venues before he even released Beauty Behind The Madness.
But his two massive hits that everyone knows and which took his career to a whole new level were both Max Martin productions.
The Weeknd produced his first 3 releases himself. No Max Martin needed and he was already touring bigger venues before he even released Beauty Behind The Madness.
But his two massive hits that everyone knows and which took his career to a whole new level were both Max Martin productions.
this is an incredibly dismissive take on the songwriting abilities of Taylor Swift. if you know anything about her you know how deeply personal she takes songwriting especially in terms of the artist owning their work, hence the re-records and TVs. i hate to say it but it's coming off as "oh surely SHE can't be that good without the help of a man". anyway, not that you will, but there are plenty of documentaries and interviews where she goes through her songwriting process if you'd like to change your perspective on that matter.
The weakest song on Folklore and Evermore combined was the one she wrote on her own. Obviously, the lyrics are all her (with producers minimally tweaking the words), but the melodies that don't sound like she wrote them were likely the work of her co-writers. She displays literally no Motown influence in her work for years, and then suddenly writes a melody that sounds like prime Holland-Dozier-Holland? Shake It Off was pure Max Martin. We Are Never Ever... sounds more like a Weezer song. What makes a pop song an irresistable hit has less to do with the lyrics and melody than the arrangement and performance. Shake It Off was a hit for the same reason that I Want It That Way and Blinding Lights were hits. They were primarily written and arranged by someone who's turned pop songwriting and production into a mathematical formula. (For example, Swift told an interviewer that Max Martin instructed her to sing certain syllables on the beat, one of his countless production strategies. Funnily enough, I once heard Britney Spears praised on a podcast for the way she hit syllables on the beat, as if it was her invention.)
It's not that she needs the help of a man because she's a woman. She chooses to work with producers who take a very active role in co-writing and arranging. If you work with Max Martin or Jack Antonoff, you're working with someone who is very hands on in the creation of the work, as opposed to a producer who positions themselves more as an editor, than a co-author, so to speak. It's not that she's a woman and can't do it without the help of a man. The Weeknd has never created anything as memorable as Blinding Lights or I Can't Feel My Face without Max Martin.
Now, put her in a studio with someone like Rick Rubin who functions more like an editor or advisor than an active co-creator, and it would be really interesting to hear what she comes up with. Until she decides to work with someone who leaves the sonic architecture primarily in the hands of the artist, or she does her own Nebraska, people will always ask those questions and that's entirely fair.
She chooses whom to work with and if she chooses to work only with producers who take a very active role in the creation of the music, people will always wonder how much of it is her work and how much of it is what the producer brought to the table.
This is an element of prosody, a rather "Songwriting 101" concept. Yes, it tends to make songs sound good but it's not like a secret Max Martin production trick or anything. Rappers have been accenting syllables on the snare for fifty years now.
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The Weeknd produced his first 3 releases himself. No Max Martin needed and he was already touring bigger venues before he even released Beauty Behind The Madness.
But his two massive hits that everyone knows and which took his career to a whole new level were both Max Martin productions.
what songs are these Blinding Lights I assume and?