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I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
In Europe venues work with multiple ticket agencies and consumers don't pay the same level of ridiculous fees we do here and that's with a higher level of inflation there. Breaking up monopolies is always a good thing and if Live Nation is broken up it will be net win for consumers, smaller artists and venues.
I'm not defending Live Nation, but on the flip side of that, trying to figure out buying tickets to a show like Bruce Springsteen in Paris was so fucking confusing because there was no real primary ticket vendor, so it was pretty confusing to try and get tickets from 3 different websites when a high-demand event went on sale. Maybe it was worth the savings but man... it felt needlessly complicated.
In Europe venues work with multiple ticket agencies and consumers don't pay the same level of ridiculous fees we do here and that's with a higher level of inflation there. Breaking up monopolies is always a good thing and if Live Nation is broken up it will be net win for consumers, smaller artists and venues.
I'm not defending Live Nation, but on the flip side of that, trying to figure out buying tickets to a show like Bruce Springsteen in Paris was so fucking confusing because there was no real primary ticket vendor, so it was pretty confusing to try and get tickets from 3 different websites when a high-demand event went on sale. Maybe it was worth the savings but man... it felt needlessly complicated.
maybe a hot take but I think Americans going to Europe to see big shows at a lower price than seeing the show in America is bad and proves how much LN have broken the industry
I'm not defending Live Nation, but on the flip side of that, trying to figure out buying tickets to a show like Bruce Springsteen in Paris was so fucking confusing because there was no real primary ticket vendor, so it was pretty confusing to try and get tickets from 3 different websites when a high-demand event went on sale. Maybe it was worth the savings but man... it felt needlessly complicated.
maybe a hot take but I think Americans going to Europe to see big shows at a lower price than seeing the show in America is bad and proves how much LN have broken the industry
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
In Europe venues work with multiple ticket agencies and consumers don't pay the same level of ridiculous fees we do here and that's with a higher level of inflation there. Breaking up monopolies is always a good thing and if Live Nation is broken up it will be net win for consumers, smaller artists and venues.
I've heard from multiple sources that touring Europe, particularly for NA acts, is BARELY if at all profitable due to the various regulations. This is purely speculation on my part, but I often wonder if North America bears the brunt of excessive costs so subsidize global touring.
Post by purplecowz on May 24, 2024 15:43:17 GMT -5
Yup, and Europeans just generally balk at the prices that Americans will pay. They have less disposable income than Americans who prefer to overspend on concert tickets and neglect their health.
Post by 3post1jack1 on May 24, 2024 16:27:44 GMT -5
i actually think what would work best isn't breaking up Livenation but allowing them to purchase some other companies to better vertically integrate the entertainment economy. like maybe if Livenation bought Publix we could get dynamic pricing for bakery cookies or Boars Head Deluxe Ham convenience fees.
In my experience, Europeans also regard ticket resellers as total scum and not a necessary evil, and there are ticket exchange sites where you can buy other people's tickets with a tiny markup (like 2 euro) and the site apologizes for the extra cost.
1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/4: knock2 3/7: Inhaler* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
Well look at that, another "popular" band cancelling a tour cause nobody is gonna fucking pay. The artist thinks their value is a certain number and nobody is gonna have it. These dudes legit need to come down to earth and realize you can play mid size venues and sell that shit out and not be embarrassed like this. Def got blinded by the high guarantee LN was giving them and assumed it would do fine.
I'm not defending Live Nation, but on the flip side of that, trying to figure out buying tickets to a show like Bruce Springsteen in Paris was so fucking confusing because there was no real primary ticket vendor, so it was pretty confusing to try and get tickets from 3 different websites when a high-demand event went on sale. Maybe it was worth the savings but man... it felt needlessly complicated.
maybe a hot take but I think Americans going to Europe to see big shows at a lower price than seeing the show in America is bad and proves how much LN have broken the industry
The funny thing is that Beyonce and Taylor stans just figured that shit out for these last tours. And yeah European audiences look at a certain number and get upset at the cost. We are so conditioned to our prices that we laugh.
Post by xfinitypass on May 25, 2024 11:14:25 GMT -5
Ngl, going to be really happy to see Black Keys show up a 3rd or 4th on their day on fest lineups. Wouldn’t want them taking up a headliner slot, but that’s good value for them.
1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/4: knock2 3/7: Inhaler* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
Ngl, going to be really happy to see Black Keys show up a 3rd or 4th on their day on fest lineups. Wouldn’t want them taking up a headliner slot, but that’s good value for them.
I saw TBK back in Jan at an iHeart fest and they were first just for the reason of trying to get people to show up early. It didnt really work.
I think if Chappell was gonna announce one more run of shows it prob wouldve happened already. Its not like they dont understand the demand and all. And considering she played a bunch of shows in between dates opening for Olivia a few months ago she would have a 4th leg of her tour.
the funny thing is cage did open for them on the arena tour in 2014
Yup, I was there. They're probably about an even pull in terms of ticket sales at this point so would have been a good double bill in 2024.
Its so weird that last year was a summer full of package tours and for good reason. This year some of those acts thought they could just do it alone and are proving the point.
Fri Aug 09 — Las Vegas, NV — Fontainebleau Las Vegas Sun Aug 11 — San Diego, CA — Park at the Park Petco Park Tue Aug 13 — Los Angeles, CA — YouTube Theater Thu Aug 15 — Phoenix, AZ — Arizona Financial Theatre Sun Aug 18 — Irving, TX — The Pavilion at Toyota Music Factory Mon Aug 19 — Houston, TX — 713 Music Hall Wed Aug 21 — Rogers, AR — Walmart AMP Fri Aug 23 — Durant, OK — Choctaw Grand Theater Sun Aug 25 — New Orleans, LA — The Fillmore Tue Aug 27 — Jacksonville, FL — Daily’s Place Thu Aug 29 — Tampa, FL — MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre Sat Aug 31 — Hollywood, FL — Hard Rock Live Tue Sep 03 — Raleigh, NC — Red Hat Amphitheater Thu Sep 05 — Portsmouth, VA — Atlantic Union Bank Pavilion Sat Sep 07 — Atlantic City, NJ — Hard Rock Live at Etess Arena Tue Sep 10 — New York, NY — The Rooftop at Pier 17 Fri Sep 13 — Boston, MA — Leader Bank Pavilion Sun Sep 15 — Bridgeport, CT — Hartford Healthcare Amphitheater Wed Sep 18 — Toronto, ON — Budweiser Stage Fri Sep 20 — Rochester Hills, MI — Meadow Brook Amphitheater Sun Sep 22 — Milwaukee, WI — BMO Pavilion Tue Sep 24 — Chicago, IL — Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom Thu Sep 26 — Indianapolis, IN — Everwise Amphitheater at White River State Park Sat Sep 28 – Huntsville, AL – South Star Music Festival Sun Sep 29 – St. Louis, MO – Evolution Festival
Post by dreadpirateroberts on May 28, 2024 8:10:12 GMT -5
Caribou – 2024 Tour Dates:
Nov 08 – VANCOUVER, BC – PNE Forum Nov 09 – PORTLAND, OR – Roseland Theater Nov 10 – SEATTLE, WA – Showbox Sodo Nov 12 – OAKLAND, CA – Fox Theater Nov 13 – LOS ANGELES, CA – Shrine Expo Hall Nov 15 – DENVER, CO – The Mission Ballroom Nov 17 – CHICAGO, IL – The Salt Shed Nov 18 – ATLANTA, GA – The Eastern Nov 19 – WASHINGTON, DC – The Anthem Nov 20 – PHILADELPHIA, PA – Franklin Music Hall Nov 21 – BROOKLYN, NY – Great Hall at Avant Gardner Nov 23 – TORONTO, ON – Massey Hall Nov 25 – MONTREAL, QC – L’Olympia
1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/4: knock2 3/7: Inhaler* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
Nov 08 – VANCOUVER, BC – PNE Forum Nov 09 – PORTLAND, OR – Roseland Theater Nov 10 – SEATTLE, WA – Showbox Sodo Nov 12 – OAKLAND, CA – Fox Theater Nov 13 – LOS ANGELES, CA – Shrine Expo Hall Nov 15 – DENVER, CO – The Mission Ballroom Nov 17 – CHICAGO, IL – The Salt Shed Nov 18 – ATLANTA, GA – The Eastern Nov 19 – WASHINGTON, DC – The Anthem Nov 20 – PHILADELPHIA, PA – Franklin Music Hall Nov 21 – BROOKLYN, NY – Great Hall at Avant Gardner Nov 23 – TORONTO, ON – Massey Hall Nov 25 – MONTREAL, QC – L’Olympia
w/ Yunè Pinku
Oooh, at Avant Gardner? Sick. I want in on this something fierce.
