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Me: You know, our food production is a huge source of carbon emissions. Maybe PETA could use this time when global warming is in the spotlight to shine a light on this.
Post by piggy pablo on Dec 5, 2018 16:07:30 GMT -5
I really don't feel the outrage over the PETA stuff. People should treat animals better and eat substantially less meat, myself included. It's important for ethical and environmental reasons. Sometimes to make progress you have to overdo it a bit. I just look at it and I'm like "eh, that's kinda silly" but to get all riled up about it? Nah.
I really don't feel the outrage over the PETA stuff. People should treat animals better and eat substantially less meat, myself included. It's important for ethical and environmental reasons. Sometimes to make progress you have to overdo it a bit. I just look at it and I'm like "eh, that's kinda silly" but to get all riled up about it? Nah.
Doesn't Peta kill/put down more animals than it saves? That and some of their ad campaigns always turned me off to them. I think they also don't believe we should have any pets but maybe I'm misremembering that
I really don't feel the outrage over the PETA stuff. People should treat animals better and eat substantially less meat, myself included. It's important for ethical and environmental reasons. Sometimes to make progress you have to overdo it a bit. I just look at it and I'm like "eh, that's kinda silly" but to get all riled up about it? Nah.
Doesn't Peta kill/put down more animals than it saves? That and some of their ad campaigns always turned me off to them. I think they also don't believe we should have any pets but maybe I'm misremembering that
They believe that the domestication of animals has led to overpopulation of those animals which creates suffering, which oftentimes can mean that euthanizing them is the most ethical option.
Post by piggy pablo on Dec 5, 2018 22:50:41 GMT -5
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
Animal rights are great. PETA's specific stances are shit. Total animal liberation is an extremist view and should not be taken seriously.
I don't have the primary source here but I've seen this enough that I feel like it's fair to repost.
"Even if animal tests produced a cure [for AIDS], 'we'd be against it.'" --Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), as quoted in Fred Barnes, "Politics," Vogue, September 1989, p. 542.
Animals should be treated with respect and their habitats should be protected but animals rights are not equivalent to human rights.
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
Isn’t there a fair amount of recent research connecting autism with gut bacteria issues? So it seems logical to me that changing dairy consumption could have an effect on the behavior of a person with autism.
And it isn’t that they’re saying there shouldn’t be seeing eye dogs, just that there are problems with the way seeing eye dog programs are run. Why would it not be preferable to train shelter dogs instead of breeding new dogs for these programs?
I’m not a huge fan of peta, but I’m not seeing what’s particularly objectionable about either of these ideas.
I really don't feel the outrage over the PETA stuff. People should treat animals better and eat substantially less meat, myself included. It's important for ethical and environmental reasons. Sometimes to make progress you have to overdo it a bit. I just look at it and I'm like "eh, that's kinda silly" but to get all riled up about it? Nah.
I don't think people are outraged in response to this. Certainly not here. We are just laughing at it on the surface.
But it is hard to continue laughing for too long. Our current treatment of animals and my willful participation in that process is probably my greatest moral failure. In 100 years people will likely look back at us and think anyone who wasn't an animal rights activist was a monster and a part of the problem. Yet here I am excited to crush a chicken sandwich for lunch in a couple hours.
So while PETA looks stupid and loses this battle... blah blah the war. I agree with your "overdo it a bit" point on this topic.
Isn’t there a fair amount of recent research connecting autism with gut bacteria issues? So it seems logical to me that changing dairy consumption could have an effect on the behavior of a person with autism.
And it isn’t that they’re saying there shouldn’t be seeing eye dogs, just that there are problems with the way seeing eye dog programs are run. Why would it not be preferable to train shelter dogs instead of breeding new dogs for these programs?
I’m not a huge fan of peta, but I’m not seeing what’s particularly objectionable about either of these ideas.
I didn't read the article as being ok with training shelter dogs. I do agree that any dog should and could be trained as a seeing eye dog the biggest issue is the fact that blind people can't see if something is wrong with their dog and ANY dog that is a seeing eye dog is going to have the same training/issues that PETA feels are wrong.
On the other hand, we oppose most seeing-eye-dog programs because the dogs are bred as if there are no equally intelligent dogs literally dying for homes in shelters, they are kept in harnesses almost 24/7, people are prohibited from petting or playing with them and they cannot romp and run and interact with other dogs; and their lives are repeatedly disrupted (they are trained for months in one home and bond, then sent to a second, and after years of bonding with the person they have "served," they are whisked away again because they are old and no longer "useful").
We feel that the human community should do more to support blind people, and give dogs a break.
While I am not against this, and agree about both the deaf and blind community needing more support from the human community; this is more about they feel that these dogs are being mistreated due to the fact that the owners are blind and the training is unkind/unloving. I mean I wouldn't have a dog I couldn't love and hug and pet on.
I really don't feel the outrage over the PETA stuff. People should treat animals better and eat substantially less meat, myself included. It's important for ethical and environmental reasons. Sometimes to make progress you have to overdo it a bit. I just look at it and I'm like "eh, that's kinda silly" but to get all riled up about it? Nah.
I don't think people are outraged in response to this. Certainly not here. We are just laughing at it on the surface.
But it is hard to continue laughing for too long. Our current treatment of animals and my willful participation in that process is probably my greatest moral failure. In 100 years people will likely look back at us and think anyone who wasn't an animal rights activist was a monster and a part of the problem. Yet here I am excited to crush a chicken sandwich for lunch in a couple hours.
So while PETA looks stupid and loses this battle... blah blah the war. I agree with your "overdo it a bit" point on this topic.
I am definitely not outraged or upset, but revising our verbiage in this manner is ridiculous. I could call my puppy stupid, ugly and the worse and both would still love me and want pets and kisses. They don't understand in those terms.
BUT, you want to talk climate change and how our consumption of animals is actually causing and increasing emissions and what that is doing to the planet that is a whole other ball of yarn and something that does need to be done. I mean don't get me wrong, I fucking love bacon, but in the situation we are currently in with climate control this might be a necessity. I don't think that people will look back and be mad that we weren't animal activist, more that we knew that we could reduce climate change just by changing our diets.
I am definitely not outraged or upset, but revising our verbiage in this manner is ridiculous. I could call my puppy stupid, ugly and the worse and both would still love me and want pets and kisses. They don't understand in those terms.
BUT, you want to talk climate change and how our consumption of animals is actually causing and increasing emissions and what that is doing to the planet that is a whole other ball of yarn and something that does need to be done. I mean don't get me wrong, I fucking love bacon, but in the situation we are currently in with climate control this might be a necessity. I don't think that people will look back and be mad that we weren't animal activist, more that we knew that we could reduce climate change just by changing our diets.
Yeah 100% agree with your first paragraph. My instinct is still that you're wrong about the way our current treatment of animals will be viewed in the future (moving climate change aside). But who knows?
I am definitely not outraged or upset, but revising our verbiage in this manner is ridiculous. I could call my puppy stupid, ugly and the worse and both would still love me and want pets and kisses. They don't understand in those terms.
BUT, you want to talk climate change and how our consumption of animals is actually causing and increasing emissions and what that is doing to the planet that is a whole other ball of yarn and something that does need to be done. I mean don't get me wrong, I fucking love bacon, but in the situation we are currently in with climate control this might be a necessity. I don't think that people will look back and be mad that we weren't animal activist, more that we knew that we could reduce climate change just by changing our diets.
Yeah 100% agree with your first paragraph. My instinct is still that you're wrong about the way our current treatment of animals will be viewed in the future (moving climate change aside). But who knows?
And that is fine, maybe I am wrong. I personally hope that puppy mills and cruelty to animals will eventually be a thing of the past but we have used animals for consumption, warmth (clothing) and comfort for as long as there have been humans and I don't see that companionship going away. I think beside mass consumption outrage that will probably happen in the future, that domestic animals will still be part of society.
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
There are certainly plenty of people who respond to PETA in a negative way out of ignorance or what have you but I don't think it applies all that much to this specific situation. People aren't responding negatively to their convictions as much as the way they choose to express them. In other words, equating idioms(that include animals) to homophobic slurs and the N word. That's a ridiculous false equivalence.
Maybe it's not fair for me to try and tell them what's best but there are far more serious problems in the world right now that relate to human food production and the ethical treatment of the animals involved. The consequences, if left unchecked, will contribute to the death of entire ecosystems. So yeah, they could certainly pick their battles more wisely.
I don't feel it's a situation where people are being cynical. This campaign just really misses the mark and PETA is a big enough organization where they could do some good in fighting our current problems. So it's even more frustrating to see them wasting their time and hurting their own cause.
I just think it's funny how negatively people respond to people who have conviction in their beliefs and actually care about something ethical. Like, how dare they not be detached like the rest of us.
There are certainly plenty of people who respond to PETA in a negative way out of ignorance or what have you but I don't think it applies all that much to this specific situation. People aren't responding negatively to their convictions as much as the way they choose to express them. In other words, equating idioms(that include animals) to homophobic slurs and the N word. That's a ridiculous false equivalence.
Maybe it's not fair for me to try and tell them what's best but there are far more serious problems in the world right now that relate to human food production and the ethical treatment of the animals involved. The consequences, if left uncheck, will contribute to the death of entire ecosystems. So yeah, they could certainly pick their battles more wisely.
I don't feel it's a situation where people are being cynical. This campaign just really misses the mark and PETA is a big enough organization where they could do some good in fighting our current problems. So it's even more frustrating to see them wasting their time and hurting their own cause.