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Don't have a lot of time right now, but to hit this point by point quickly: I am a black, Jamaican-immigrant New York/NJ kid from '85 with a Dad into reggae, hip-hop, and rock (Jimi Hendrix tape sat in that old VW right next to the Grateful Dead and Peter Tosh). My knowledge of hip-hop comes from years up in the Bronx, watching street parties, crews, family get arrested for drug possession, the ravages of the city life and the sprawling burbs for those coming up in the East Coast. Public Enemy, Lost Boyz, DTP records, Ice T records, Heavy D, De La Soul, Tribe, Sir Mix-a-Lot being a prolific producer and not just the "Big Butts" guy, Bun B, Outkast, Pac more than Biggie *until I grew up a bit more, 213 records (Nate Dogg productions out the frame), Redman, and etc etc.
The issue here is that these are prolific people, who had stories - emotions - and variation; this boy IMHO is degrading the value of hip-hop's emotional content.
I don't care about him being fake. I care that he is lowering the standard and celebrating it, while being a higher bought artist than clearly talented song-writers like Vince Staples (going purely off album sales, and festival rankings)
I got you. Not a Bronx kid but I'm 100% NOLA. And the streets here which fostered shit like No Limit and Ca$h Money are probably on par with the struggles that led up to the art form. I listened to a lot of that same shit your dad did, and as a fan, I've seen Vince Staples twice (and a third time when Dave Chapelle had him rap at the Juke Jive for the NBA All Star Game last year) while purposely missing Post Malone that many times. So if I got you right, you're basically calling out Post Malone for what he said. And I agree with you deto like I usually do. However, had he used a caveat or qualifier like "today's mumble rap" or emotion isn't in "all rap", I'd probably tend to agree with him. It's hard to know without the full context which is why I asked you - and because I generally trust your posts. It seems like something's missing with his quote though unless he's basically mocking himself as well.
As a fan of Master P as a general persona, I think we just aren't gelling on "all" vs "popular". I think if it were a more singular, personal statement from him I'd be less critical -- the generalities he displays while being a bit suspect in my book is what pushed me over
Admit, Ask for how the person wants redemption, and say I'm the fucked up person here. Take notes, take names, and realize evolution is not simple or linear.
I didn’t watch the interview but it looks like he was talking about rap today where you or I would just as soon go to some back catalogue or old school shit that indeed covers the emotional bases. Fuck him anyway but that context makes a little more sense from the point of view that I’m not going to listen to some Lil Yachty and expect a lot of depth (not gonna listen to him anyway but I guess that’s beside the point). I think shit like Kyle and Yachty and some of the today stuff is just out there at an extremely basic level. That would go for stuff that I don’t mind such as lil B which may have messaging way more than some mumble shit but still isn’t going particularly deep.
I'll preface this by saying Post Malone is a public figure, and anything he says is certainly fair game for public scrutiny, analysis, and discussion, particularly by music nerds.
I think Post Malone is a decent person who has handled his rapid rise to fame pretty well, and he's written/performed a few catchy bangers. But he is also a 22 year old kid who is not fabulously intelligent, is not particularly talented, and is clearly not very well versed in the history of music, much less the history of the genre he associates himself with.
All that to say I don't think we should be looking to Post Malone for insightful truths about the history and culture of hip-hop.
I didn’t watch the interview but it looks like he was talking about rap today where you or I would just as soon go to some back catalogue or old school shit that indeed covers the emotional bases. Fuck him anyway but that context makes a little more sense from the point of view that I’m not going to listen to some Lil Yachty and expect a lot of depth (not gonna listen to him anyway but I guess that’s beside the point). I think shit like Kyle and Yachty and some of the today stuff is just out there at an extremely basic level. That would go for stuff that I don’t mind such as lil B which may have messaging way more than some mumble shit but still isn’t going particularly deep.
We are getting to the point where we are waxing poetic about Lil B.. That should tell us EVERYTHING.
I'll preface this by saying Post Malone is a public figure, and anything he says is certainly fair game for public scrutiny, analysis, and discussion, particularly by music nerds.
I think Post Malone is a decent person who has handled his rapid rise to fame pretty well, and he's written/performed a few catchy bangers. But he is also a 22 year old kid who is not fabulously intelligent, is not particularly talented, and is clearly not very well versed in the history of music, much less the history of the genre he associates himself with.
All that to say I don't think we should be looking to Post Malone for insightful truths about the history and culture of hip-hop.
I don’t think we are, but I totally (now because I’m halfway slow) understand what deto was pissed about. If I read Malone right, but right now, there's not a lot of people talking about real shit..., he’s referring to much of popular rap today. And we all know that rap took over last year. But we aren’t seeing 1989 or 1992 hard life and political realities. Not even from some of the vets like Gucci or even 2 Chainz who I love. Those worlds are more covered by guys out of the mainstream - Vince Staples like deto said or I’ll throw Talib Kweli out there on a social level.
I'll preface this by saying Post Malone is a public figure, and anything he says is certainly fair game for public scrutiny, analysis, and discussion, particularly by music nerds.
I think Post Malone is a decent person who has handled his rapid rise to fame pretty well, and he's written/performed a few catchy bangers. But he is also a 22 year old kid who is not fabulously intelligent, is not particularly talented, and is clearly not very well versed in the history of music, much less the history of the genre he associates himself with.
All that to say I don't think we should be looking to Post Malone for insightful truths about the history and culture of hip-hop.
I don’t think we are, but I totally (now because I’m halfway slow) understand what deto was pissed about. If I read Malone right, but right now, there's not a lot of people talking about real shit..., he’s referring to much of popular rap today. And we all know that rap took over last year. But we aren’t seeing 1989 or 1992 hard life and political realities. Not even from some of the vets like Gucci or even 2 Chainz who I love. Those worlds are more covered by guys out of the mainstream - Vince Staples like deto said or I’ll throw Talib Kweli out there on a social level.
I hope that makes sense.
Exactly. And I actually really like 2 Chainz album, but for instance he has the brains and skills to both produce, not take himself too seriously, was part of DTP as Titty Boi, and killed a stanza on a De La Soul song. He made an album directly aiming at the pop audience but didn't disassociate himself or make grand statements on it. There are quality rappers and albums coming out that aren't getting any real spins or notice.. I barely hear people speak on "Big Fish Theory", the previous Roots albums, Goldlink, I honestly didn't know Aesop released "Impossible Kid" in 2016 until this year, Kendrick and Jay's sales both were lacking in comparison to say Migos, Schoolboy and Danny barely got any spins out here in NYC for their last albums though "Atrocity Exhibition" might be one of the deepest "crazy people" albums out there, Freddie's album isn't getting any heat on the fest circuit even with "Andrea" and "Phone Lit"; AND "Scum Fuck Flower Boy" by Tyler might be one of the most relevant growing albums I've heard in awhile. This is from a kid raised searching out The Roots and knee deep in the alt-realities that Odd Future's products amplify *(being raised in the hood at some point, moving onto a mixed suburb, mixing into cultures, never feeling part of it, fierce family disconnections, broken love, possible psych issues).
I get emotional about it, because I have a deep love for the culture.
I didn’t watch the interview but it looks like he was talking about rap today where you or I would just as soon go to some back catalogue or old school shit that indeed covers the emotional bases. Fuck him anyway but that context makes a little more sense from the point of view that I’m not going to listen to some Lil Yachty and expect a lot of depth (not gonna listen to him anyway but I guess that’s beside the point). I think shit like Kyle and Yachty and some of the today stuff is just out there at an extremely basic level. That would go for stuff that I don’t mind such as lil B which may have messaging way more than some mumble shit but still isn’t going particularly deep.
We are getting to the point where we are waxing poetic about Lil B.. That should tell us EVERYTHING.
Lmfao. Haha. But he gets a 1/4 Pass because he wasn’t afraid to put out, “I’m gay.” and pull that ultra deep celebrity Keanu Reeves “My Own Private Idaho” card. I think I ran across Lil B repping out for having a small one. Hahahaha. Not exactly Welcome to the Terrordome or Another Body Murdered, but I guess it’s at least something.
A lot of the most popular rap albums of the late 80s and early 90s were just as frivolous as the ones today. MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice and Kriss Kross were not exactly counter culture revolutionaries.
Anyone know a quick easy way to back up ringtones from my iPhone to iTunes? Trading in my 6S tomorrow for the X... Currently backing up my phone to iTunes, but I've never done that before, always just to the cloud... I can't seem to find a click and drag option...
A lot of the most popular rap albums of the late 80s and early 90s were just as frivolous as the ones today. MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice and Kriss Kross were not exactly counter culture revolutionaries.
A) Because hip-hop was reaching it's first commercial streak B) Vanilla Ice has less hip-hop credibility than Kid Rock, and was burned for it. He just happens to still be rich because he still went out and toured beyond it. C) Kriss Kross were still kids; and even the Beasties were just finally reaching back further into the hip-hop genre with Paul's Boutique and Licensed to Ill (and hiring one of the best DJ's in the game) D) Also late 80's - 90's hold the variety of Digital Underground, 2pac, EPMD, Heavy D, Queen Latifah, Pharcyde, 2 Live Crew, etc. in an era of a bit more hope and levity while the crime rates were still up across the country. It's a bit of escape-ism mixed in with intelligent artistic displays. But people like Ice T who are post-military kids forced to sell drugs or pimp in LA and major cities, started speaking truth and getting flack for it on a political level -- at the same time we had a Hammer album. E) That first Hammer album isn't terrible. I def. listened to like 4-6 tracks on that all the time as a kid; Hammer just got played for being corny and then trying to switch up and try to be gangsta. Didn't hold up to the times either.
A lot of the most popular rap albums of the late 80s and early 90s were just as frivolous as the ones today. MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice and Kriss Kross were not exactly counter culture revolutionaries.
For sure. There was a lot of gratuitous materialism as well. But the real shit was out there too and while somewhat underground, not nearly as much so as today which was one of the points I think we were making. You have to either dig a little these days where then rap with harder hitting themes could still be heard on later night radio. And I’m not claiming to be a rap purist by any stretch. I love plenty of the inane stuff. I still put on Nasty as They Wanna Be and Move Somethin’. And I can sometimes be found live at 2 Chainz or Future or migos or a Big Freedia/Katy Red show having a balling ass time.
Anyone know a quick easy way to back up ringtones from my iPhone to iTunes? Trading in my 6S tomorrow for the X... Currently backing up my phone to iTunes, but I've never done that before, always just to the cloud... I can't seem to find a click and drag option...
Because there isn’t one. All you can do is pray it’s there. FWIW I went from a 6 to a X and had no problems at all. It went remarkably smooth. I was anticipating hell.
Anyone know a quick easy way to back up ringtones from my iPhone to iTunes? Trading in my 6S tomorrow for the X... Currently backing up my phone to iTunes, but I've never done that before, always just to the cloud... I can't seem to find a click and drag option...
Because there isn’t one. All you can do is pray it’s there. FWIW I went from a 6 to a X and had no problems at all. It went remarkably smooth. I was anticipating hell.
If Apple can recognize my face, they should be able to recognize what forking ringtones I buy.
Big Freedia/Katy Red show having a balling ass time.
Well you would just be a fool if you missed one of their shows. Stumbling on to a Katy Red at the stage across from the fountain was a mind-blowingly awesome experience.
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A lot of the most popular rap albums of the late 80s and early 90s were just as frivolous as the ones today. MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice and Kriss Kross were not exactly counter culture revolutionaries.
Post by heyyitskait on Jan 6, 2018 19:32:45 GMT -5
We played White Elephant at our friends holiday party tonight. I stole a six pack of mostly non IPA’s. Then the person I stole from opened the last present, Death Wish coffee vodka.
Post by Dave Maynar on Jan 6, 2018 21:22:05 GMT -5
Wanting to sell things on Amazon. Amazon closed my seller account due to inactivity. They said I just need to reregister the account. They won't let me reregister the account. For fuck sake.
It was Trader Joe’s premade. I put on various healthy toppings and baked. The crust bore now resemblance to a pizza.
Man I miss that artichoke basil pizza I got in NY.
I haven’t heard good things about their crust either, I’ve never tried it. I’ve done it homemade a couple of times and I think I’ve gotten better each time, I really like it. My girlfriend found a recipe for a ground chicken crust so it’s like a keto meatza, I want to try that next. That pizza sounds dank af
Edit: I really like thin crust pizza though, if you like it fluffier neither cauli nor ground chicken would probably ever scratch that itch
I like thin crust. But I would like it to taste better than the cardboard box it came out of. I have tried making it homemade. I ain't got time for that shit.
Post by actually @fortyfive33 now on Jan 7, 2018 14:58:58 GMT -5
Someone read one of my articles on Medium off an RSS reader. That's great and all that someone is subbed, but my question is: who the hell still uses an RSS reader?
I need someone to help me with my moral compass regarding some show justice I witnessed last night.
We were at Jason Isbell. Two rows in front of us was "that guy". He was drunk and out of control. He was screaming and cussing and shouting at random and inappropriate moments. I couldn't make out a lot of what he was saying, but i know he screamed a few times about somebody "can suck my dick." He was clearly excited to be at the show, but was being obnoxious and disturbing people in a several person radius around him. Furthermore he had two companions with him, one a girlfriend or spouse of some kind and one another male friend. His companions just seemed to think it was funny and didn't take any action to calm him down (if that was even possible).
Sitting directly in front of that guy was a middle aged gentleman and his wife. I'd say late forties, he had silver hair. At one point silver hair turns around and says something to that guy. I couldn't hear it but probably something along the lines of "please shut up". Afterwards that guy, next time he wanted to scream, got right up next to silver hair's ears and screams. Clearly antagonizing silver hair and his wife. He continued to scream in silver hair and his wife's ears for several seconds before that guy's girlfriend pulls him back and chastises him. All this happened during the opener.
It only got worse as the show went on. People around us started shouting at "that guy" as his shenanigans continued to interrupt the show. "Let Isbell sing it", "shut up", "get a belt" (that guy's pants were falling off his ass and revealing ass crack), etc. Silver hair did not address that guy further, but just faced forward for the remainder of the show. At one point silver hair got up to go get a drink or go to the bathroom, and that guy went and sat in silver hair's seat next to silver hair's wife. I have no idea why he did this, but he seemed to be amused with himself and was probably just doing it to further terrorize silver hair's wife.
End of the set, encore break, crowd is standing and cheering. Silver hair stands up, walks to the row behind him, and straight up assaults that guy. I didn't see exactly what happened because it was dark, but I am pretty sure silver hair popped that guy in the face, and that guy then lunged at silver hair. That guy hit the ground, knocking down one or two innocent bystanders in the process. Nobody was seriously hurt, except that guy's pride. Silver hair and his wife make their escape (i think he was planning this attack the entire show).
In the ensuing commotion the cops come in. I imagine most people in the crowd didn't see that it was that guy who was attacked first, and assumed that guy started the fight because of his obnoxious and intimidating behavior throughout the show. So the crowd all direct the cops to that guy. I specifically remember one girl shouting "that guy, the whole fucking show, the whole fucking show that guy" So the cops grab that guy and take him out of the theater.
The fact is that guy was the first one to be physically hit, and he was the one to be punished. At the very least least he missed a great encore (If We Were Vampires > Codeine), at worse they might have taken him to jail.
Thoughts:
-My first thought was sheer joy that "that guy" was punished. We all know that guy. We sit around on the internet talking about the numerous that guys that have ruined shows for us. Maybe at some point in our past we have even been that guy and feel shame for it. So seeing that guy get what was coming to him felt so good. Silver hair is a hero.
-My second thought was feeling guilt at having joy for seeing anybody get hit, not to mention the innocent bystanders that got knocked over as a result of the attack. There was no need for silver hair to punish that guy and risk the safety of those around him, because that guy's shitty asshole life is punishment enough.
-My third thought was no fuck that guy. He was antagonizing everyone around him the whole show, and specifically antagonizing silver hair. Show justice prevailed.
-My fourth thought was "am i just extrapolating onto this guy all the negative show experiences i've had with other that guys..."
etc. You see where it is going. I'm conflicted.
My final thought in a text message to my four friends i was at the show with, and who were sitting with me: "to be clear, i don't want anyone to get in a fight at a show. there is too much potential to hurt other people surrounding the fight. but i've been to hundreds of shows where 'that guy' is being an obnoxious asshole and suffers no consequences. it felt good to see "that guy" suffer consequences for once."
Do you have any thoughts on the above? Anyone have any similar stories of show justice, and your reaction to them?
edit: also in general i am so fucking sick of misplaced machismo. i think i'm even more sick of it because the only place i ever see it now is shows and festivals, and it is so fucking lame. go play fucking sports or crossfit or box or something, there are so many great and healthy and positive ways to get that shit out of your system.
I need someone to help me with my moral compass regarding some show justice I witnessed last night.
We were at Jason Isbell. Two rows in front of us was "that guy". He was drunk and out of control. He was screaming and cussing and shouting at random and inappropriate moments. I couldn't make out a lot of what he was saying, but i know he screamed a few times about somebody "can suck my dick." He was clearly excited to be at the show, but was being obnoxious and disturbing people in a several person radius around him. Furthermore he had two companions with him, one a girlfriend or spouse of some kind and one another male friend. His companions just seemed to think it was funny and didn't take any action to calm him down (if that was even possible).
Sitting directly in front of that guy was a middle aged gentleman and his wife. I'd say late forties, he had silver hair. At one point silver hair turns around and says something to that guy. I couldn't hear it but probably something along the lines of "please shut up". Afterwards that guy, next time he wanted to scream, got right up next to silver hair's ears and screams. Clearly antagonizing silver hair and his wife. He continued to scream in silver hair and his wife's ears for several seconds before that guy's girlfriend pulls him back and chastises him. All this happened during the opener.
It only got worse as the show went on. People around us started shouting at "that guy" as his shenanigans continued to interrupt the show. "Let Isbell sing it", "shut up", "get a belt" (that guy's pants were falling off his ass and revealing ass crack), etc. Silver hair did not address that guy further, but just faced forward for the remainder of the show. At one point silver hair got up to go get a drink or go to the bathroom, and that guy went and sat in silver hair's seat next to silver hair's wife. I have no idea why he did this, but he seemed to be amused with himself and was probably just doing it to further terrorize silver hair's wife.
End of the set, encore break, crowd is standing and cheering. Silver hair stands up, walks to the row behind him, and straight up assaults that guy. I didn't see exactly what happened because it was dark, but I am pretty sure silver hair popped that guy in the face, and that guy then lunged at silver hair. That guy hit the ground, knocking down one or two innocent bystanders in the process. Nobody was seriously hurt, except that guy's pride. Silver hair and his wife make their escape (i think he was planning this attack the entire show).
In the ensuing commotion the cops come in. I imagine most people in the crowd didn't see that it was that guy who was attacked first, and assumed that guy started the fight because of his obnoxious and intimidating behavior throughout the show. So the crowd all direct the cops to that guy. I specifically remember one girl shouting "that guy, the whole fucking show, the whole fucking show that guy" So the cops grab that guy and take him out of the theater.
The fact is that guy was the first one to be physically hit, and he was the one to be punished. At the very least least he missed a great encore (If We Were Vampires > Codeine), at worse they might have taken him to jail.
Thoughts:
-My first thought was sheer joy that "that guy" was punished. We all know that guy. We sit around on the internet talking about the numerous that guys that have ruined shows for us. Maybe at some point in our past we have even been that guy and feel shame for it. So seeing that guy get what was coming to him felt so good. Silver hair is a hero.
-My second thought was feeling guilt at having joy for seeing anybody get hit, not to mention the innocent bystanders that got knocked over as a result of the attack. There was no need for silver hair to punish that guy and risk the safety of those around him, because that guy's shitty asshole life is punishment enough.
-My third thought was no fuck that guy. He was antagonizing everyone around him the whole show, and specifically antagonizing silver hair. Show justice prevailed.
-My fourth thought was "am i just extrapolating onto this guy all the negative show experiences i've had with other that guys..."
etc. You see where it is going. I'm conflicted.
My final thought in a text message to my four friends i was at the show with, and who were sitting with me: "to be clear, i don't want anyone to get in a fight at a show. there is too much potential to hurt other people surrounding the fight. but i've been to hundreds of shows where 'that guy' is being an obnoxious asshole and suffers no consequences. it felt good to see "that guy" suffer consequences for once."
Do you have any thoughts on the above? Anyone have any similar stories of show justice, and your reaction to them?
edit: also in general i am so fucking sick of misplaced machismo. i think i'm even more sick of it because the only place i ever see it now is shows and festivals, and it is so fucking lame. go play fucking sports or crossfit or box or something, there are so many great and healthy and positive ways to get that shit out of your system.
Good for silver hair. Everyone should have kicked that guy while he was down. Fuck that guy.