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RUSH: Have you heard this new movie, the Batman movie, what is it, The Dark Knight Lights Up or whatever the name is. That's right, Dark Knight Rises. Lights Up, same thing. Do you know the name of the villain in this movie? Bane. The villain in The Dark Knight Rises is named Bane, B-a-n-e. What is the name of the venture capital firm that Romney ran and around which there's now this make-believe controversy? Bain. The movie has been in the works for a long time. The release date's been known, summer 2012 for a long time. Do you think that it is accidental that the name of the really vicious fire breathing four eyed whatever it is villain in this movie is named Bane?
Post by Dave Maynar on Jul 18, 2012 12:17:06 GMT -5
Damn it! You beat me to it, Glenn.
I will add to it by saying that one of my co-workers said the idea was far fetched but not outside the realm of possibility. Also, he totally believes that Hollywood does try to influence elections by the movies they release at certain times.
The funny thing about Governor Christie is that besides being fat...and vetoing gay marriage legislation...there isn't really much negative stuff to say about him.
The funny thing about Governor Christie is that besides being fat...and vetoing gay marriage legislation...there isn't really much negative stuff to say about him.
He needs to lay off the ice cream fueled rage fests on the shore.
The funny thing about Governor Christie is that besides being fat...and vetoing gay marriage legislation...there isn't really much negative stuff to say about him.
I fail to see what his weight has to do with anything negative. Attack his awful political beliefs all you want.
and vetoing gay marriage legislation...there isn't really much negative stuff to say about him.
How about vetoing marijuana decriminalization? Then he says something to the effect of, "I defer to the federal government on this issue." Meanwhile taking a stand on states rights on numerous issues and thumbing his nose at the federal government when it comes to sports betting. Cause, you know, sports betting is going on anyway, but pot smoking isn't. Gimme a fucking break.
It hasn't, but he made his stance on the subject very clear. State's rights, but only when it's stuff he agrees with.
He's also delayed the medical marijuana dispensaries from opening in New Jersey, while lobbing public grenades at the CEO of the biggest one (based in Montclair) by telling him to "get back to work" when the CEO accused Christie of delaying the approval process, which the dispensary completed almost a year ago.
Pros: Balancing the budget with bi-partisan support in a Democrat controlled congress; transparency; lower taxes.
Cons: Fat; "surly"; doesn't support marijuana decriminalization; vetoed gay marriage.
I definitely don't like that he vetoed a gay marriage bill. But aside from that, I still think anything else you've got is not even worth discussion. You seriously let MARIJUANA determine who you support politically?
Pros: Balancing the budget with bi-partisan support in a Democrat controlled congress; transparency; lower taxes.
Cons: Fat; "surly"; doesn't support marijuana decriminalization; vetoed gay marriage.
I definitely don't like that he vetoed a gay marriage bill. But aside from that, I still think anything else you've got is not even worth discussion. You seriously let MARIJUANA determine who you support politically?
Well, you are clearly missing the point. He's a hypocrite, like all the other hypocrites.
Oh, and where did he balance a budget, for the record? You mean the 3.7% increased budget he proposed with a tax cut that will cost the state $2 billion in revenues? Or is it the over $11 billion deficit he ran in fiscal 2011 (on his fiscal plan, not his predecessor's, and projected to be surpassed for fiscal 2012)?
Granted, Jersey was in trouble when he got in office, but he did little, if anything, to make it better. He didn't stop the boulder, he just threw some debris in the way and slowed it down a fraction. He cut aid to schools and municipalities and skipped a pension payment. That means he cut aid to schools and towns, and just put off a pension payment to another fiscal year so his budget looks better on paper.
When talking economics and accounting it's easy to flip some numbers around to make things look better than they are.
Plain and simple: austerity does not work. Christie is an jerkstore who supports austerity and not the people.
Correction: Austerity does not work FOR YOU.
See, austerity as an idea could work, but the way it's almost always applied won't. Christie's austerity budget hurts the middle class and does nothing to the upper class, which is why people have an issue with it. Upper class people go to Don Bosco and Bergen Catholic, middle class go to Wayne and Old Tappan. Upper class won't be hurt by massive cuts to education, and their towns don't need the money since most rich towns tax the people living there to keep the place looking spotless (which the residents don't whine about because it keeps the "riff raff" from moving into their towns).
Instead of a tax cut that will do little to help the middle class (a $2 billion tax cut for the people of New Jersey comes out to a measly $562 per household), why not bring up the inheritance taxes or something that might impact the upper class? Because the upper class is who got Christie elected, so he won't piss them off.
I like some of Christie's ideas, dislike a lot more, but if you're saying he's anything other than another GOP big-business lackey, you're reaching. He's not trying to push through the legalization of sports betting because he thinks the people of NJ deserve it, it's because of $. Legalizing sports gambling means he can piss off the middle class less while still doing nothing to rock the yacht for the upper class.
Austerity doesn't work because it's never properly applied. Christie's austerity won't work, either, since it's not fairly positioned to impact everyone equally.
The problem is that you assume the "lower class" is entitled to money from the "upper class."
The government, as organized in New Jersey, is simply a means for people with less money to give authority to politicians to take money from people who earn it and re-distribute it via government programs.
And please explain to me why YOU deserve a cut of MY inheritance. It is, quite literally, my property.
The problem is that you assume the "lower class" is entitled to money from the "upper class."
Where did any of my comments even come close to saying this? I said that the upper class should be treated at least equally as the middle class. To act like a tax cut of $500 is some noble gesture towards the middle class while the upper class continues to skate by paying a lower tax % than the people they employ is maddeningly irresponsible and reprehensible. Who needs the lower tax rate? The guy living in Ridgewood in an $8 mil house? Or the guy living in (not going to name a town to avoid unintentionally insulting someone) who works a 60 hours a week job earning less than $100k? C'mon, dude. I'm a financially conservative person and even I have to say that the way the upper class skates by (an upper class I strive to be a part of, and one day have a good shot of reaching) is ridiculous. Being rich is a blessing, so why do people feel that being rich entitles them to do anything they can (legal or otherwise) to keep the wealth in the hands of the wealthy?
No, I don't think the rich should pay for the poor, but they should help. And if you disagree that they should help, they should AT LEAST pay an equal % of their income. Mitt Romney shouldn't pay a lower tax rate than I do. Sorry, that's insane, and insulting that they think it's okay to do so.
And please explain to me why YOU deserve a cut of MY inheritance. It is, quite literally, my property.
Ok, let's start at the top for this one. Do you know how the wealthiest people alive are wealthy (with the rare exception like Bill Gates or that seedy little Facebook punk)? Inheritance. Wealth gets passed from generation to generation and just perpetually becomes greater by doing, well, nothing. It sits and gains interest (oh, and rich people get far better interest rates than normal people). They put it into bonds that are, literally, guaranteed to pay you money. They don't pay taxes (or pay very low taxes) and they just keep passing down their growing mass of money to subsequent generations. They rigged the game at every point to ensure that the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy. Sure, sometimes a guy like Facebook F*cktard crashes the party, but they initiate you into the club (and being a d*ck is a great way to get initiated right away) and that's it.
Having little-to-no inheritance tax is another tool the rich use to circumvent chipping in.
Are you rich? Your posting on inforoo leads me to believe you're not in the exclusive club, so why defend them?
It'd be more fun to discuss this if you didn't just use buzz-phrases and general statements. And misquote me.
It's hard for me to have a discussion with you when you imply that anyone making over $250,000 has the same tax rate as Mitt Romney. Mitt doesn't pay taxes because of this stupid capital gains tax bullhonkey. That's not how most people in the "upper class" earn their income.
My family emigrated to the United States in 1979. We had zero money. My parents slept on the floor in a one bedroom apartment in Brooklyn for a long time. They each worked more than 60 hours per week for a long time to earn their money. They took that money and invested into a house, constantly renovating it to raise its market value, and in turn employing people to do so.
They could have tossed that money into a bond or savings account. Now you are telling me I need to pay an inheritance tax? For what? It's their house. They earned it. They improved it. They should be able to do what they want with it. You don't deserve a dime out of the house that I grew up in.
It's hard for me to have a discussion with you when you imply that anyone making over $250,000 has the same tax rate as Mitt Romney. Mitt doesn't pay taxes because of this stupid capital gains tax bullhonkey. That's not how most people in the "upper class" earn their income.
My family emigrated to the United States in 1979. We had zero money. My parents slept on the floor in a one bedroom apartment in Brooklyn for a long time. They each worked more than 60 hours per week for a long time to earn their money. They took that money and invested into a house, constantly renovating it to raise its market value, and in turn employing people to do so.
They could have tossed that money into a bond or savings account. Now you are telling me I need to pay an inheritance tax? For what? It's their house. They earned it. They improved it. They should be able to do what they want with it. You don't deserve a dime out of the house that I grew up in.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you should read up on this stuff before flying off the handle. Your parents are NOT going to pay an estate tax if their assets are ~$1 mil or somethign like that (savings and property included - not assuming, just picking a round number). In order for an estate tax to be applicable, the person in question needs to have a minimum net worth of over $5 mil, or $10 mil for a couple.
So, the estate tax would apply to a rich family whose assets allow them to kick in a little to the greater good, while your parents' estate goes almost completely untouched and right into your hands.
Again, I'm hoping to one day be a part of that over $250k upper class, so I don't just blindly say "rich people suck." But the super-rich who avoid kicking in any of their money because they can afford to pay people to create loopholes for them is horsesh*t and I will never accept or approve of people who support that.
You're missing my clear separation of the "over $250k household" and the "rich." $250k households live comfortable lives, but they're basically one tragedy or financial disaster from tumbling into the working class. They're not "rich" in the sense they don't really need to work or do anything. NJ has a TON of those super rich that skate by without paying their equal share. I did not imply for a second that your parents are included in that group, and their story is something I very much relate to being the offspring of people whose parents had near-identical routes to the states.
$5 mil is the federal tax level, I wasn't making anything up. I should have looked to see where NJ had its levels, you're right, but let's stop crying because you'd have to pay under $10k on a $700,000 estate inheritance. Is barely 1% of your inheritance something you're that furious about having to give up? And there are multiple credits you can apply for that could bring that number down to under 1%.
I'm actually surprised that's the level in NJ, and this actually plays MORE into my point that Christie doesn't give a f*ck about the middle class. Middle class inheritances can pretty easily exceed $675,000. So, they are exposing people to a tax who normally wouldn't be exposed (in NY you have to receive an inheritance of over $1 million in order to be taxed, for example), but they won't increase the % that higher levels pay, and they have more loopholes the more $ you make (just like tax loopholes).
I was incomplete in my last post because I hadn't looked at the NJ rates, which I should have, but that doesn't change the truth that Christie isn't a benefit to the middle class in any way.
And you feel that no one should be able to touch any of your money? Should we send a search party into that alternate universe you're living in, or will you find your way back on your own? C'mon dude. Life, death and taxes.
Are you aware that the Democrat controlled Congress passes laws? You know, the legislature...
Either way, the point is that Chris Christie balances budgets. He succeeds in doing so with a Democrat controlled Congress. And aside from his admittedly whack veto of the gay marriage bill, actually comes through on his campaign promises. Granted most if not all politicians have cons, from FDR to G.W. Bush, but Christie is a Governor who provides transparency, predictability, and responsibility. I MUCH prefer him to our previous governor, JON CORZINE.
Let me summarize your inheritance tax argument (which is actually 3%, not 1%).
"Bro, you just inherited a house that is worth $1,000,000. I don't care that your parents worked really hard to pay off the mortgage on that house for 30 years. Nor do I care that they already paid income taxes on that money and property taxes on that house for 30 years. So c'mon man...just hook me up with $30,000."
Let me summarize your inheritance tax argument (which is actually 3%, not 1%).
"Bro, you just inherited a house that is worth $1,000,000. I don't care that your parents worked really hard to pay off the mortgage on that house for 30 years. Nor do I care that they already paid income taxes on that money and property taxes on that house for 30 years. So c'mon man...just hook me up with $30,000."
That is a pathetic attempt to portray me as some mindless idiot who wants a handout. If I was easily offended I would probably let that piss me off, but your pathetic (and wrong) attempt to correct me by being a lewd and pretentious *sshole isn't really all that clever, and you have to be more clever than I am to get under my skin.
Derrrr you think people should help other people derrrr YOU MUST BE A BRO WHO HATES MONEY!
I guess your parents didn't need any help along their journey to give you a life where you can sit on an internet message board and b*tch to high heaven about paying 1% (and it IS 1% for $700,000, it increases the more your inheritance is Mr. Douchey) of an inheritance you had nothing to do with, is that it? You didn't create your inheritance, your parents did. So the same argument you use against the tax (hey, keep your hands off of the money someone else is giving to me!) is the argument you're using against the people who benefit from the tax. And "benefit" is being used loosely here, since the tax is so small as it's currently constructed that it barely blips on the revenue radar screen.
Seriously, if you can't see that you paying $9,250 on a $700,000 inheritance is something worthwhile, you are one of the people whose opinions do not matter to me. It's selfish and sad.
And fyi, my inheritance will be well over $1,000,000 and I am perfectly content and accepting that I'm kicking some of that back to my common man. And don't give me any bullsh*t about being rich, my parents worked just like yours did, my dad came from an Irish/Italian family of 8 living in a 1-level house in the Bronx and my mom came from a 13 person family where you had to work at age 10 to chip in.
So enjoy being a surly, money-chasing elitist prick, if that's the path you want to choose. I would rather be a good person and try to do something to help people in need.
Your whole mindset is the people "getting handouts" are taking advantage of the system, I assume? Yeah, screw those below-the-poverty-line a-holes, STOP TAXING RICH PEOPLE INSTEAD!
Why do you keep bringing up balancing a budget during a recession like it's a good thing?
That's a fair question. And it's not necessarily what I am suggesting on a National level. I definitely understand and appreciate the faults in the federal austerity experiment that took place in England/Britain.
The point is that in NEW JERSEY, where Chris Christie is the Governor, he was elected to accomplish certain goals. He has since accomplished them. One of those goals is to balance the budget. I like politicians that say what they will accomplish, get elected based on those promises, and then follow through (with bi-partisan support in a Congress controlled by the other party no less!). That's a lot more than many other politicians in the executive branch can say in this country...
