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OK, this was so time consuming. I hope I have everything right. I tried to put all the newer votes on top of each category to show the last vote for each player. I might not have everything right.
Beginning of round one runoff... EAP - 2Whacked Jhamm - 2Voted off Quacker - 2Whacked
Bonzai >>> Quacker >>> null >>> Quacker Voted off Abra>>scrog>>quacker
All three people in the first round runoff are dead. Both Jhamm voters whacked is very significant. Like I said at the start of the second round, i still feel it was weird that Jhamm was quite for over two days with his head on the chopping block.
Quacker posted we have the mafia on the run before he was whacked? I bet either Bonnie or Jhamm were mafia. Very slight chance it was both. My first game we got all three mafia in 3 rounds, I don't even know how many games it has happened in. I know one in twenty that I've read or played in.
This leads us to the vote switches. There is no way in hell one of the people switching votes so much isn't mafia. I'll walk away in shame if I'm wrong about that. Mafia manipulated the votes at some point in this game.
I'll try to get the second round up tonight, so everyone can look at it.
Post by abrakapokus on Jan 27, 2012 13:24:14 GMT -5
I haven't done that many mafia games so I'm probably not the best person to say. It does seem like it's been a little rocky with the Tallys and seems sudden with the deaths instead of seeing if there is convo going on. It can't be easy, I don't think I'd ever ref a game w/o someone helping me out like Fawn has done. BTW thanks Fawn and LD
I haven't done that many mafia games so I'm probably not the best person to say. It does seem like it's been a little rocky with the Tallys and seems sudden with the deaths instead of seeing if there is convo going on. It can't be easy, I don't think I'd ever ref a game w/o someone helping me out like Fawn has done. BTW thanks Fawn and LD
^^ this
It really does require more time than one might think even just being the ref. I'm happy to help and have the advantage of teleworking, so i can keep half an eye on my play 'puter for vote changes during the day while i work on the real 'puter.
When i was reffing - if there was a lot of action late night (when i sleeps like a normal old fart) No age/SFA/Mike would give me a hand and update tallies wif they were around - which i mucho appreciated. I just had to reread in the am and confirm they were correct.
I dont know as that there are any rules written or unwritten about players posting tallies if the ref is not online. Have gotten the impression that it is Ref specific, in that some ref's do not want players posting tallies, and some dont mind. Perhaps some of the more experienced players that are lurking (NBF?) might chime in on this.
First, Why are you talking about Duddits right now? I am countering your comments, 'that rarely do Mafia get whack in the first round' and to prove my point, I point out that the Inspector was whacked first round last game, be ME. That is all I was saying. Now you are twisting that and start talking about duddits, ever 'smoke and Mirrors' much? and I posted that theory to see if anyone would jump on my theory. I think you need to fix your calculator, you posted your comments about Duddits only ONCE, and now you bring it up again.
Twice page 7 and 9 I was referring to the same thing because you clearly didn't understand my point to begin with. Smoke and mirrors in what way? I simply pointed out that I thought you were wrong on your statement about Duddits. It wasn't meant as anything but that. You brought up a hypothetical situation and I countered it. End of story. I'm not the one fixated on this. My statement was clear when I first posted it.
I guess because I don't understand what this has to do with anything or what you think it means?
Why would you even put that Surf could be inspector up twice? You realize that's very dangerous if he actually is? He strait up said he though she was mafia before voting closed. That was his opinion at the moment more then a hint.
EAP gave the same kind of hints she has given in the past. That has been my only point about her. When she got put in a runoff before Hopefully I'm wrong.
I rarely ,if ever, call out people I think are mafia unless I feel pretty certain about it and the game is in jeopardy. Also, when I've been Mafia I do tend to go after people more aggressively.
I'm still confused why my vote switch to Jhamm is somehow the most suspicious thing in this game? So it looks like you are trying to say I'm mafia and switched votes to Jhamm to help who I thought was the Inspector? Which I somehow figured out on page 4? Then i whacked her and brought up how I was sure she was inspector even thought that could possibly bring negative attention my way?
I am not you and I don't vote like you. I've already explained this. I didn't feel comfortable voting for EAP. Why am I under attack for switching votes for someone that could be the inspector anyway? Also, I didn't vote late in the runoff.
When have you ever brought up EAP's vote for you? Bonazi asked if there were anything hints or anything that EAP did that could point us in this or that direction. You responded that if her vote for Jahm could mean something. I say her vote for you means something and should be talked about. Is there anything suspicious in this post?
Jan 14, 2012, 7:12pm, EAP wrote: oooppps we literally posted at the same time. don't want to stack so early..... EAP>>>>>SFA (you're just as good i guess )
No? I brought up her vote for me on page 4 in a response to you. Yes, you have been going on about this that long. Back then you claimed EAP was mafia.
Well put them up then, or is this now frowned upon or a rule I missed Again, I see smoke in mirrors. You seem to give a little but of useful info, but never point a finger or call anybody out. Have you called out Surf for his lack of "spidey sense" when he voted for EAP? Or have you not noticed his confidence? SFA, you are a good Mafia player. You would be the one would call people like Surf out. I could be wrong, but I do not think you are not a townie and others should look at you as Mafia, along with Surf.
I explained in there I don't like doing it if I don't have others vote counts to go by. I could negatively impact the whole game if I get stuff wrong but whatever. If I'm alive in the next round I'll finish the one I've been working on.
So Surf and I are Mafia together? I'm sure you would really like a runoff between the two of us wouldn't you?
I haven't called out anyone. Why are you singling up Surf?
SFA, This has gone on too long. I am hard on you and this is why. In the beginning I linked you and EAP, because I found your early vote switch strange. Well, not your vote switch, but your reason was strange. You were voting for Jham because he was a "quiet" player, which you were as well. I found it strange. EAP was whacked and I realized I was wrong. Then Bonazi asked and you responded,
I just reviewed EAPs posts in this thread and she never really seems to point her fingers at anyone, so her whack doesn't really give us much to go by this round.
Unless her vote for Jham meant something. I've only scene Mafia voted off in the first round twice in the 8 or so games I've played. One was because the inspector got in the runoff and has to come out in the first round. I actually have a statistic for it that I put in a one game that goes way past before i played. It's very uncommon to get a mafia member in the first round. They always either tinker with the votes or just set back and let the townies take each other apart.
You mentioned her vote for Jham, but not her vote for you. No big deal, but it should be noted. I did not comment on that at the time, but I did say,
SFA, you only have to go back to last game and the see the inspector was whacked the first night. Maybe not the norm, but it happens.
I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
I have not said EAP was not the Inspector. After re reading her post I can see that. Am I really misrepresented you? Or is it the other way around? I will continue. My response to you
[quote author="@superfurryanimal" timestamp="1327466821" source="/post/977554/thread"] I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange. You have mentioned only EAP as "hinting" or what I will call wording as to being the Inspector. Early on Surf switched a vote for EAP, made the runoff 4, to me his wording, was hinting towards him possibly being the inspector. Looking back and I see EAPs writing is on the Wall and brighter then when I read her post before her being whacked. My bad, you voted for Jham because he was a "quiet one", you switched your vote from EAP because you had nothing else to go on. I am not misrepresenting you, I am saying that reasoning does not 'hold water'. There was nothing else Jham had done that made you think he was Mafia over EAP, except being a "quiet one", I remind you, SFA and JHamm had the same amount of post. Why not just keep your vote for EAP?
Clarify this, EAP voted for you? Why you? She mentioned you were one of the only ones, left so she picked you, and there was nothing suspicious about that. half the players were still available to chose from, and now, are we not to think her choice of you as being suspicious? [/quote] I was saying, is the I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange.
I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter?You seem ultra sensitive. Strange.
It's like my posts disappear when I posts them. I've explained it twice already. Your theory on Duddits doesn't hold water if the mafia had already planned to kill EAP. It's that simple. I seriously wasn't even trying to make a big deal about it. Just pointing it out.
SFA, you only have to go back to last game and the see the inspector was whacked the first night. Maybe not the norm, but it happens.
I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
If Mafia thought EAP was the Inspector, than Duddits would have made his last vote that round for EAP, he did not, if Duddits was Mafia he had a chance to vote her off, but he did not, for that, I do not see Duddits as Mafia.
I don't find Duddits suspicious really but as to your thinking... If you think someone is inspector then you don't try to get them into a vote lead where they have to come out so early in the game and give the only name they have. That would force the mafia to kill the inspector and either lose a member(possible two) in round one (if they are also in the runoff) or forfeit the next round. Best to help the "inspector" survive the runoff and then whack them.
We have a lot of new players but I think you should know this by now. That doesn't make Duddits anymore of a suspect then the rest of us but it's true.
SFA, you are focused on my story on 'how Duddits is not Mafia.' It is a flawed story, I know it is, it was bait. I thought Mafia would agree with me when I posted that, try to side with me, go along with my story, I knew it was not right, but I wanted to see who would agree, then you bit, you have swallowed it. Not the way it was intended, but I think you are using that story as a way to discredit me, and turn an innocent comment, which was more of me tooting my own horn, into a tangent, that has lead me back to you being Mafia. Honestly, when EAP was whacked I realized I was wrong about you, but your over reaction to my posts then changing the topic to something else, make me believe I am right. I hate to be so long and descriptive but I feel we must get this right or we are done. Sorry SFA, but if I am wrong I am wrong. I think Quacker even hinted you were being quiet. Now you are posting the charts and graphs, which seem confusing. Maybe I am not getting it. Either way, I think EAP was the inspector, Surf is not, I thought he was the first round, but I was wrong. I only mentioned that, after it was obvious Surf is not the inspector, but he did post, early on, talk that could be perceived as "hints" to him being Inspector. EAP was not the only one who could have been viewed as the Inspector. Why I originally thought EAP was Mafia. I was wrong about that and I was also wrong about you not bringing up EAP's vote on you. You did on page 4. surf has been playing with confidence. Almost too much. Making bets and such? What is that about? After he led me towards EAP and was wrong, I believe his "spidey sense" is fishy. Mafia fishy. So yes, I would like to see you and Surf in a runoff, but we can only vote one of you off, so I say put me in a runoff with you SFA. I am hard headed and set on my theory about you two, so this will go into the next round if I am still alive.
Townies if you do not think I am making any sense and I am way off base, then vote me off now.
After Scrog votes, y'all got six hours unless I say otherwise.
Am I doing alright as ref?
Have asked LD to revisit this time span.. The day is not yet 24 hours old, discussion is very much in play, and we are creeping up on the 'voting will not close on the weekend rule' (unless there is proper notification in advance).
Scrog, I think you may be on to something, but at this point I am totally confused. I was sure Quacker was Mafia.
I mistook EAP's vebage, but I was thinking that NoAge and Phi were Mafia. I wasn't really sure at that point, and I thought that a vote with EAP in it would be telling. It was, or so I thought. NoAge and Quacker both voted for JHamm. Then, EAP got whacked throwing that whole theory out the window - but something kept eating at me about NoAge, and it was the fact that I thought that YOU were inspector.
In the first few posts, with seemingly zero information you threw out there that NoAge could be mafia (and me because we were voting partners)
So going with your theory of Mafia being voting partners, and EAP tried to partner up with NoAge, the evidence seemed to be piling up.
IDK if Phi and NoAge are duping me and maybe this is a rookie mistake but I am going to believe them. Regardless of weather they want to vote with me or each other or not is unimportant. I will not be voting for either of them in any vote, because I am taking them at their word. As they (and you) should take me at mine. Yeah, this is just a game, but I am telling you right now, in THIS game right here that I am a townie. You won't be seeing me in any pink tutu's at brunch because I am not Mafia.
So I am accepting that from Phi and NoAge for the rest of this game.
That leaves Diddits, Abra, SFA and Scrog.
I am hoping for a runoff.
Phi, NoAge if you have some advice for me, hit me with it. Otherwise Im sticking with Abra.
I have no idea how many Mafia are left, but I do know that we really need to get one this round.
Post by abrakapokus on Jan 27, 2012 16:53:46 GMT -5
I'm not mafia and I'm still trying to read over the tables that SFA put up. I don't know if it's intentional or not but I'm mostly running in circles trying to make patterns out of that. I'm also taking time to go back over previous mafia games to see how people act when they are townies/mafia. It's coming down to the end and I hope we have gotten at least one mafia so far. Surf gave me a vote back, which I expected. I still find it shady all that promising and what seems to be an alliance with other players. After the quacker whack though i'm trying to look at all this with fresh eyes. I encourage you guys to look at my previous game where I was mafia and realize that I'm not this time and you are screwing townies if you stack your votes on me.
Scrog, I think you may be on to something, but at this point I am totally confused. I was sure Quacker was Mafia.
I mistook EAP's vebage, but I was thinking that NoAge and Phi were Mafia. I wasn't really sure at that point, and I thought that a vote with EAP in it would be telling. It was, or so I thought. NoAge and Quacker both voted for JHamm. Then, EAP got whacked throwing that whole theory out the window - but something kept eating at me about NoAge, and it was the fact that I thought that YOU were inspector.
In the first few posts, with seemingly zero information you threw out there that NoAge could be mafia (and me because we were voting partners)
So going with your theory of Mafia being voting partners, and EAP tried to partner up with NoAge, the evidence seemed to be piling up.
IDK if Phi and NoAge are duping me and maybe this is a rookie mistake but I am going to believe them. Regardless of weather they want to vote with me or each other or not is unimportant. I will not be voting for either of them in any vote, because I am taking them at their word. As they (and you) should take me at mine. Yeah, this is just a game, but I am telling you right now, in THIS game right here that I am a townie. You won't be seeing me in any pink tutu's at brunch because I am not Mafia.
So I am accepting that from Phi and NoAge for the rest of this game.
That leaves Diddits, Abra, SFA and Scrog.
I am hoping for a runoff.
Phi, NoAge if you have some advice for me, hit me with it. Otherwise Im sticking with Abra.
I have no idea how many Mafia are left, but I do know that we really need to get one this round.
Surf you are saying that you aren't going to look at what Phi and Noage have posted but yet just take them at their word? Is that right? You apparently have latched onto these promises you guys made, you do know it's mafia's job to lie their asses off? You are limiting yourself if you truly are a townie and doing the rest of us an injustice.
Go back and read where mafia saying they were so busy with work they couldn't post, turned out to be a lie or flanz saying he didn't know what was going on, a lie. Mafia tries to dupe townies into believing their lies and Townies try to find out who the liars are. Your vote for me is because I think the whole "i'll never play again thing" is stupid, well it freaking is. You asked Bonnie to swear she wasn't mafia and she did and you voted her off which is why I think you three are curious. What makes one promise hold water over two others? Who do you think is more likely to go to such lengths to convince people they aren't mafia? I vote for you because you are suspicious and I've stated why I think so. Your voting is shady, switching them all over the place, coming in at the last minute, telling ppl to promise and then killing them off anyways. The very people you have found suspicious are now the ones you are following blindly.
Abra, you are totally misrepresenting what haPpened. Phi told bonz to say she would never post on inforoo again. It wasn't me and it wasn't about net not playing mafia again. She responded with "I will never Play another game again".
She avoided the promise and made one covered with smoke and mirrors. Monopoly is another game.
So she won't ever play monopoly or poker or whatever game she chooses to never play again and she can still keep her word.
She was mafia. She saw me call her out on the fact that she didn't promise what was asked I am sure. She posted a couple times between me calling her out and when the voting closed.
Scrog makes some Really good points. You are twisting words to try to cast suspicion on a townie.
I finally got the chance to read over the last round and I am happy with my vote, however I really don't want to vote Abra off without a runoff. How long does is this round before LD closes voting?
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