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Post by abrakapokus on Jan 31, 2012 23:34:28 GMT -5
SFA You are making a mistake if you think I'm more likely mafia than surf. Go back and read over the votes and the pages of info, shoot even go back and read my stuff from when I was mafia. I ain't mafia this round!
1) she was being voted out before I moved my vote. IOW my vote did not matter 2) I was showing Phi and NoAge that I was willing to vote with them 3) She was mafia. When it is all revealed I feel very confident that this will be confirmed
1) she was being voted out before I moved my vote. IOW my vote did not matter 2) I was showing Phi and NoAge that I was willing to vote with them 3) She was mafia. When it is all revealed I feel very confident that this will be confirmed
1. I realize that and that's why I don't find it odd. But for future reference, vote stacking can get you in trouble in this game. It can be seen as mafia trying to manipulate votes, etc. But in that situation I don't find it shady. Just a rookie mistake.
2. Why would you be willing prove you would vote with them? This isn't really a buddy buddy type of game. You do realize that type of thinking could hurt your votes the whole game?
3. She probably was but unless you are inspector then you don't know that to be fact.
Well, I'm definitely NOT Mafia this game. You've claimed that you aren't Mafia this game either. Are you saying that as a Townie I would be making a mistake by voting Surf off?
I truly believe surf is a townie. If he's not he has played one hell of a game as a mafia and I will be sure to congratulate him when the games over and hang my head in shame.
SFA You are making a mistake if you think I'm more likely mafia than surf. Go back and read over the votes and the pages of info, shoot even go back and read my stuff from when I was mafia. I ain't mafia this round!
First round, you and Bonnie voted Quacker together before the runoff. Then stuck on those votes till the end of the round. For awhile, I took that as meaning you couldn't be working together because the mafia would want to spread their votes between the three options.
Either: 1. Bonnie was innocent and you are the mafia that was laying low there, while the other two voted elsewhere.
2. Both you and Bonnie sat on your votes while everyone else was busy cluttering the tread with vote switches. Quacker did vote for you and Bonnie in both rounds.
3. All three mafia voted Jhamm/EAP in the first round run-off. I don't find this very likely.
I just don't know. I think Surf has made to many rookie errors to have any help from mafia buddies. I could be wrong. Hopefully more people will chime in.
The second round is more of blur. Really strange playing on the townies part this game.
Yet another 3 person runoff. So lets only force one person to place a vote instead of three. So quacking dumb.
but something Mafia would do, who made it a 3 way? I bet that person is Mafia
I have absolutely no desire to vote Abra along with Phi but out of the three I kind of think Surf is the most innocent one.
how or why? He has lied, mis quoted, blamed Arba for back tracking but was "too lazy" to find it. How can you seriously see himas being innocent, if you are right I am playing this game WRONG!
I just can't except Surf's 2nd round run-off vote stack as something the mafia would do. Just way way to risky.
What if this was a rookie Mafia mistake. If Phi is Mafia with Surf, which I think is the case, do you really think they communicate that much, do you really think Surf would message Phi about vote stacking? or would he just do it??
1) she was being voted out before I moved my vote. IOW my vote did not matter 2) I was showing Phi and NoAge that I was willing to vote with them 3) She was mafia. When it is all revealed I feel very confident that this will be confirmed
1. I realize that and that's why I don't find it odd. But for future reference, vote stacking can get you in trouble in this game. It can be seen as mafia trying to manipulate votes, etc. But in that situation I don't find it shady. Just a rookie mistake.
Did he vote stack on Bonazi? Try to form an alliance with Phi and Noage?, but you do not see that as a rookie mistake.
2. Why would you be willing prove you would vote with them? This isn't really a buddy buddy type of game. You do realize that type of thinking could hurt your votes the whole game?
I guess we are throwing out the stuff that usually makes you Mafia, for what?
3. She probably was but unless you are inspector then you don't know that to be fact.
seems like Surf has called everyone Mafia, would need to look back, but it seems like only Phi and SFA and Noage has not been called Mafia by Surf. I could be wrong on this, but I am at work and I do not have time to research that stat at this time.
Townies I have called SFA Mafia, because I felt his words were very denfensive. I have called Surf Mafia, because of his confidence of who Mafia is. Which he has been very wrong about! I have said Abra is not Mafia, because if Surf is Mafia, abra is not.(unless they are doing a totally mind fuck) Noage or SFA is our last Mafia. I ask the townie between you, to rethink your vote.
Well neither NoAge or SFA are in the runoff......soooooooooooooo?
Soooooooooooo, what is your point? Phi you are my next Mafia after Surf. You are not doing any, "3rd and 4th level" thinking this game, you seem to be focused on Abra and I am not sure why that is? I am only not seeing her as Mafia, because I see Surf as Mafia. Like I believe if Surf is Mafia, than Abra is not Mafia. Is there something Abra did that is screaming, "I am Abra and I am Mafia?" Because when someone says, this person is "backtracking" and then they are "too lazy" to find that post when questioned about it. Sh!t Surf even acted like if Dubbits waited until 7pm he would prove his point.
I had a super busy day yesterday and I am legitimately under the weather. I was just not in the frame of mind to chase downs and break down abras posts. It's there and I will quote it. I ask duds it's that you give me until 7 EST to make my case. You are on the wrong track here. I'm not mafia and if u vote me off mafia will probably win.
Im a townie, but there is just too much to go through and dig up and quote to fight this off. I see why you did it, but this really sucks because we are losing 2 townies this round and that is pretty crushing for us. I don't see how we can win now. I have to take responsibility I guess because I wouldn't shut up. Sorry guys. Maybe next time.
If the game is not over after you and Surf voted off, then the last Mafia is more than likely either SFA or Noage(If EAP was the inspector and she gave us a 'hint' it had to be either Noage, SFA, or Jham.) When I get home I will reread EAP post to see if something or someone is being overlooked.
If I am right about Surf, then Abra is not Mafia and Phi is.
I did very clearly state that at one Point I thought NoAge was mafia. And I'm pretty sure I suspected Phi. Not sure if I made that vocal or not. I don't think I ever looked to SFA as mafia (correct me if I'm wrong SFA). So if you are a townie SFA and I have never accused you of being mafia that should be a decent indicator. But I don't remember. It's 6 am and I'm on my phone.
I think it's Bon scrog and abra at this point ( of course I can see how suspicion changes) and scrog is panicking. He isn't making much sense
Now that I think about it I did make it known that I thought Phi was mafia. I voted for him at one point. Only changed my vote after the outside betting
I was wrong. Surf you and Noage have had some history. You did vote for him early on, because you thought I was Inspector and Noage and EAP were Mafia. I read that 2 pages back. I was wrong.
Most of my reasoning for thinking NoAge being mafia stemmed from my belief that Scrog was inspector. Once that got cleared up, the suspicion dissipated.
and you did vote for Phi for about a second. Looking back and it seems that is more of Mafia getting a vote in for each other, as a way to separate/distance yourselves. I reread this whole thread. While watching the Jon Stewart and Colbert Report and about 5 minutes on Porn Hub it took me just over an hour to do that. Surf is does not take long. Surf you have not proved where I have misrepresented you/ mis quoted you.(Quote?) You have not proved where Abra backed tracked. (quote please!)
Last, Surf I am still confused on why you thought I was Inspector, so let's move on from that. Maybe you can help me with this, when did you stopped thinking I was Inspector?
I was wrong. Surf you and Noage have had some history. You did vote for him early on, because you thought I was Inspector and Noage and EAP were Mafia.
Surf and I had pages where we were accusing each other. That's actually why I don't think he is mafia anymore. He was too vocal for too long against too many people. Of course, he could always just be doing the "reckless first time player" approach to being a mafia member, but I really don't think so.
Most of my reasoning for thining NoAge being mafia stemmed from my belief that Scrog was inspector. Once that got cleared up, the suspicion dissipated.
What about his accusations, without backing it up? Maybe I am reading it wrong, but his story has holes and misstatements and he is blaming others for this, for these"misstatements" misrepresenting" and "misquoting" Now Surf is calling Abra and I Mafia. I know it is possible, I would love to know the odds, but do you really think 2 mafia members from last game, would be mafia members this game? I did not think so. I am NOT Mafia with Abra!
When I finally was convinced that you were not inspector for certain, it was after the 2nd round of voting and NoAge was still around, with no heat on him and you didn't out him.
My initial thoughts (scrog as inspector instead of mafia, NoAge as mafia instead of townie and EAP by association mafia) were obviously all wrong. As the game has progressed, and new things have come to light, it is easier to see whats up. Its only you who is still holding on to something I said in the first couple of pages. Why is that?
When I finally was convinced that you were not inspector for certain, it was after the 2nd round of voting and NoAge was still around, with no heat on him and you didn't out him.
My initial thoughts (scrog as inspector instead of mafia, NoAge as mafia instead of townie and EAP by association mafia) were obviously all wrong. As the game has progressed, and new things have come to light, it is easier to see whats up. Its only you who is still holding on to something I said in the first couple of pages. Why is that?
Surf, What did you say in the first couple of pages that I am holding on to? It is not your vote for EAP why I think you are Mafia, there is a lot more to it than that! Your story has holes!
Besides being vocal about you being Mafia, what Mafia-ish things have I done?
Here are some things I am holding on too: Did you ever find the time to quote where Abra had her "feet to the fire" and was backtracking?
When did I misquote you?
When did you realize I was not Inspector, was it from EAP's post or when I did not vote Noage or when I did not list Noage as Mafia(I was saying EAP, SFA and Quakcer at that time)? If you thought Noage was Mafia why not vote for him from the get go? You did not vote for Noage until late in the second round, he even voted for you and you still did not vote for someone (Noage) that you were sure of being Mafia.
And to set the record straight, you did not think Noage was Mafia or your suspicion dissipated when you all started with the, "if you are townie, I will..." yeah those bets are when you stop thinking Noage was Mafia! Get your story straight, I know your story better than you do!
I say this is a very critical vote and the round should go on until Noage, SFA, and Duddits have a chance to chime in.
I didnt vote for NoAge for a couple of reasons if I remember right (its been a while).
1) because I figured you were inspector, that his name would come out and it would be an execution of one of the mafia. 2) the votes were not there to vote him off, and someone else was suspiscious (bonnie, EAP)
Why waste a vote off when he was going anyways when you outed as inspector? That was my train of thought.
As far as where you misquoted, I went over that. If its not to your liking, well, it is what it is. You were coming at me hard, and I didnt deserve it. I made an error (meant inspector, wrote mafia) and had forgotten I actually did publicly point the finger at EAP.
The conversation between Abra and I where my suspicions are right there pages 11-13. YOu can see at the end where I was just "^good info" and had what I needed. She was being fluid in her answers and not concrete. Pointing the finger at me and I know I am a townie. So when her arguments were not even making sense and changing from post to post, my suspicion increased. At this point, it is pretty impossible to KNOW anything unless you are Mafia (assuming the inspector is dead). I do, however, suspect anyone who comes at me so hard. That would be you and Abra who have done that.
Maybe all my stirring of the pot has been noobish and haphazard, but its shaken the rug enough to figure out who really wants to come after me. And you 2 are the only ones that have.
So I suspect you 2.
As far as odds that you both are mafia, they do not relate to the last game. The odds for you 2 to be mafia this game are exactly the same as the odds they were last game.
So if I were a betting man, I take all information into account. the 'odds' do not factor in at all. Totally invalid argument.
Flip a coin 99 times. If that coin comes up heads all 99 times, what are the odds that you will flip tails the next time?
I didnt vote for NoAge for a couple of reasons if I remember right (its been a while).
1) because I figured you were inspector, that his name would come out and it would be an execution of one of the mafia. 2) the votes were not there to vote him off, and someone else was suspicious (bonnie, EAP)
Why waste a vote off when he was going anyways when you outed as inspector? That was my train of thought.
You thought someone was Mafia, but you did not vote for them, thinking their name would be out later and they would be voted off then? What? My whole thing on you voting for Noage was your comment two pages ago where you said, "Most of my reasoning for thining NoAge being mafia stemmed from my belief that Scrog was inspector. Once that got cleared up, the suspicion dissipated." I am trying to show your time line is off, that after you "realized" I was not Inspector you and Noage still had some banner. I think you said, "He is my #1 Mafia suspect" Which came about after he voted for you. If you really thought Noage was Mafia going into Round 2 why did you not vote for him then?
As far as where you misquoted, I went over that. If its not to your liking, well, it is what it is. You were coming at me hard, and I didn't deserve it. I made an error (meant inspector, wrote mafia) and had forgotten I actually did publicly point the finger at EAP.
So you know, you said I misquoted you well before I called you out on calling me Mafia when you meant Inspector. I have been asking you to show me, "QUOTE ME!" where I misrepresented you or misquoted you. You never have!
The conversation between Abra and I where my suspicions are right there pages 11-13. YOu can see at the end where I was just "^good info" and had what I needed. She was being fluid in her answers and not concrete. Pointing the finger at me and I know I am a townie. So when her arguments were not even making sense and changing from post to post, my suspicion increased. At this point, it is pretty impossible to KNOW anything unless you are Mafia (assuming the inspector is dead).
but you seem to be so sure about who is Mafia(EAP, Noage, Quacker)
I do, however, suspect anyone who comes at me so hard. That would be you and Abra who have done that.
Surf, I asked you to quote that exchange, you said you would, you asked Duddits to give you until 7pm that night, but you never have!
Maybe all my stirring of the pot has been noobish and haphazard, but its shaken the rug enough to figure out who really wants to come after me. And you 2 are the only ones that have.
I come after you because I thin you are Mafia!
So I suspect you 2.
As far as odds that you both are mafia, they do not relate to the last game. The odds for you 2 to be mafia this game are exactly the same as the odds they were last game.
So if I were a betting man, I take all information into account. the 'odds' do not factor in at all. Totally invalid argument.
Flip a coin 99 times. If that coin comes up heads all 99 times, what are the odds that you will flip tails the next time?
Thats right. 50/50
every flip is independent.
Read my post, I said, "I know it is possible, I would like to know the odds", but if you flip a coin 99 times and it is heads every time my money is going on tails on the next flip. It is highly unlikely the two Mafia last game are Mafia this game. I would bet you did not know Abra and I were Mafia last game when you made that comment.
Lets start from the bottom and work up. I am doing this quickly, as I have to get a lot of work done today:
I did know you and Abra were Mafia last game because you mentioned it in a previous post. Who was mafia last game has no bearing on the odds this game. Zero. It is completely irrelevant. Each draw is independent. You may consider it more likely, but mathematically, you are incorrect. You can look it up, or take my word for it but I am right here. Not only am a math person, I also have made a living gambling in the past (poker - and knowing odds is key. I studied heavily). Even though it SEEMS like it is unlikely, or less likely actually it isn't. You can bet all you want, but the possibility of double zero coming up 9 times in a row is astronomical, but each spin the odds are the same. 1:38.
You coming after me because you think I am mafia? Well we are going to have to agree to disagree until the end, and we can all see who is who.
I asked Duddits to give me until 7 PM and when I sat down to go quote the stuff, well, he had already voted. So I figured 'whats the point, Im gone anyways'. I even posted something very 'good luck townies, this sucks'. I thought I was done. Then I realized thats not what happened, and I saw an opening. I switched my vote back to Abra (who I suspect less than you but suspect nonetheless) and voila! Here we are.
Now, on quoting the exchange: I posted the pages where the exchange is. It is a conversation between us over a couple of pages, so quoting one post or another just would not do justice to the exchange. Its subtle, but telling. And I was not the only one questioning her during that time either. When you read through the thread while watching television, I know you saw what I was talking about. You're a smart guy. So the fact that you are coming at me to quote some specific post to show where I get my suspicion from is mildly annoying. Fortunately, your mafioso attempt at trying to cast doubt in my fellow townie's eyes about me does not seem to be holding much water.
on 'quoting you'. Are we still on this? I responded to this already I thought. Reading your posts when you were coming at me I was like "wth?" What you were saying was SO off base, and you were misrepresenting me so grossly that it came off to me like you were misquoting. And you were putting words into my mouth. Maybe MAYBE you didn't misquote me but you certainly took some of the things I was saying and exaggerated them to the extreme to make me look dirty.
I understand that its your job as mafia to try and make someone look bad. And since you lost Bonzai, and Abra is being relatively quiet, you are kind of taking this game on your own. You are the only one left to try and scratch and claw the mafia to victory. I commend you for trying but scrog Im not buying it. I think you know that.
The timeline as far as when I stopped thinking NoAge was mafia, and stopped thinking you were inspector is not 'off' they both happened about the same time. I didn't know if you would come right out and say you were inspector if you were, and if I remember right, I had some back and forth with NoAge before the voting for round 2 was closed. Then the conversation about the outside betting happened. (NoAge initiated it if I am not mistaken). That conversation with him made me realize that he probably isn't mafia. Its kind of HOW he said things, not exactly WHAT he said - but what he said mattered too. I decided to have faith in NoAge and Phi. Like I said before, maybe I get burned here and if I do - I won't make the same mistake twice.
Thats all I have time for right now. My vote stands where it is unless Phi and NoAge are interested in switching all 3 of our votes together to Scrog. You guys know the game better so I refer to you 2 when it comes to that.
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