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That Ravens defense was constantly starting fights, taking cheap shots, and just took on a bad attitude. It was all kept in check by having Ray as a leader though. Now that he's gone, you can tell they are undergoing an image change. No Cary, no Pollard, etc. It's not like the players they are releasing were bad by any means. I trust Ozzie knows what he's doing, and you don't release one of your best defenders just to save 1 million dollars...
Okay, then. Let's just say I think you could not be more inaccurate.
That Ravens defense was constantly starting fights, taking cheap shots, and just took on a bad attitude. It was all kept in check by having Ray as a leader though. Now that he's gone, you can tell they are undergoing an image change. No Cary, no Pollard, etc. It's not like the players they are releasing were bad by any means. I trust Ozzie knows what he's doing, and you don't release one of your best defenders just to save 1 million dollars...
Okay, then. Let's just say I think you could not be more inaccurate.
Fair enough, as my opinion is only based off of the Raven's games I've watched the past 2 years or so. If I may ask, where do you disagree? I obviously don't know the men personally, but just based on the way many of them carry themselves, I couldn't help but come to that conclusion.
Okay, then. Let's just say I think you could not be more inaccurate.
Fair enough, as my opinion is only based off of the Raven's games I've watched the past 2 years or so. If I may ask, where do you disagree? I obviously don't know the men personally, but just based on the way many of them carry themselves, I couldn't help but come to that conclusion.
I basically disagree with the entire "thug" notion.
I don't consider playing hard to the whistle and not helping up your opponent to be dirty or thuggish, you're battling and not everyone is able to keep a smile on while bashing the own brains in against some other dude's skull.
Do the Ravens have an attitude? Certainly. In my opinion that's a good thing and shouldn't be seen as a negative. People hold NFLers to the same standards they hold for co-workers, and I just don't really see that as far. A guy is slamming a forearm into your throat all game or whatever, yeah it's part of the game, but you're not going to accept it and just go about your business. There is a razor-thin line between assault and acceptable football behavior (in some cases a simple difference of inches between crushing a guy's windpipe with a fist, and clubbing a shoulder pad to gain leverage. I try to keep that in mind when these 250+ pound bodies are flying with full momentum and are asked to stop and change direction on a dime.
As for the dirty hits, I haven't really seen dirty hits in the same way we saw them with the Bounty defenses in NO, who were a genuinely dirty team (whatever, screw Favre). They just happen to take a specific attitude about it, namely not helping their opponents up every play or whatever. Nothing dirty, just tough.
Fair enough, as my opinion is only based off of the Raven's games I've watched the past 2 years or so. If I may ask, where do you disagree? I obviously don't know the men personally, but just based on the way many of them carry themselves, I couldn't help but come to that conclusion.
I basically disagree with the entire "thug" notion.
I don't consider playing hard to the whistle and not helping up your opponent to be dirty or thuggish, you're battling and not everyone is able to keep a smile on while bashing the own brains in against some other dude's skull.
Do the Ravens have an attitude? Certainly. In my opinion that's a good thing and shouldn't be seen as a negative. People hold NFLers to the same standards they hold for co-workers, and I just don't really see that as far. A guy is slamming a forearm into your throat all game or whatever, yeah it's part of the game, but you're not going to accept it and just go about your business. There is a razor-thin line between assault and acceptable football behavior (in some cases a simple difference of inches between crushing a guy's windpipe with a fist, and clubbing a shoulder pad to gain leverage. I try to keep that in mind when these 250+ pound bodies are flying with full momentum and are asked to stop and change direction on a dime.
As for the dirty hits, I haven't really seen dirty hits in the same way we saw them with the Bounty defenses in NO, who were a genuinely dirty team (whatever, screw Favre). They just happen to take a specific attitude about it, namely not helping their opponents up every play or whatever. Nothing dirty, just tough.
I'm usually on your side of the whole "attitude" discussion, but I feel like it's gotten much worse the past year or so. I saw several games last year when Pollard or Williams would purposefully try to start a fight with a guy who had gotten the best of them on a play or two. I was at the Eagles game last year and witnessed this first hand. I just read on article on PFT as well discussing the reasoning behind his release and it mentions his attitude as well. I know Pollard has taken part in a few locker room issues and really came off as one of the players crossing that tough/thug line. The reason I've actually caught so many Ravens games over the years is simply because I respect their old school defensive style. I had a great time watching Seattle this year as well.
The reason for releasing Pollard does not go beyond his age and deteriorating skill. He can't cover anyone, that's why he was released, not because he was a meanie to the Iggles in September.
Going from a guy who allowed 23 sacks, had 20 penalties in the last two years, and would never sniff a pro bowl to a guy who allowed 7.5 sacks, 12 penalties, and a two time pro bowler is a pretty nice upgrade.
Brees gets rid of the ball super quickly which is going to help Bushrod’s sacks allowed numbers. I can’t access it, but I read somewhere that Bushrod rated out only one spot better than Webb in Pass Blocking Efficiency for tackles last year.
Also, Pro Bowl doesn’t really mean sh*t for Offensive Linemen. Once an OL gets voted in they’ll make it the next 13 years cause fans don’t know how to vote (Jeff Saturday starting this past year is really all you need to know) and it’s solely based on reputation.
He’ll be better than Webb, but considering the amount of money he’s getting I think people will be disappointed--especially if they’re expecting a huge upgrade.
I know that PFF is not to high on him as an upgrade, which by the way,, thanks for getting back to me Flanz, but I'm not on here saying "Bushrod! Super Bowl!" Maybe we payed a little high, but the beauty of football contacts is that only so much is guaranteed, so if he under performs, we have an out. We are going from a guy who doesn't give a sh*t about improving himself or his play, to a legitimate linemen. For that, I'm happy.
Bushrod was on an offense that tends to get the ball out fast and also gives a lot of help to their OT's (they are much more worried about their guard play than their tackle play). This has a lot to do with Brees, whose lateral movement is as good as it gets for an NFL QB. So glennron has a point in this regard, it limits the long-snaps that Bushrod could have given up pressures on.
If you want to cut to the chase, Bushrod has a season you can put on the mantle and be proud of, Webb doesn't. Even it it was just one season (2011), Bushrod has shown his development is at a point where he can be counted on consistently. He's susceptible to the occasional isolated nightmare game, but they're becoming less and less common. Webb is simply not at the developmental level Bushrod is, Webb's never had that mantle season.
Did the Bears overpay for Bushrod? Yeah, but not by much. And that peace of mind may be worth it in the long run.
And unless I missed it, the Bears are keeping Webb, so don't be surprised if he's starting for the Bears down the road.
The reason for releasing Pollard does not go beyond his age and deteriorating skill. He can't cover anyone, that's why he was released, not because he was a meanie to the Iggles in September.
Bushrod was on an offense that tends to get the ball out fast and also gives a lot of help to their OT's (they are much more worried about their guard play than their tackle play). This has a lot to do with Brees, whose lateral movement is as good as it gets for an NFL QB. So glennron has a point in this regard, it limits the long-snaps that Bushrod could have given up pressures on.
If you want to cut to the chase, Bushrod has a season you can put on the mantle and be proud of, Webb doesn't. Even it it was just one season (2011), Bushrod has shown his development is at a point where he can be counted on consistently. He's susceptible to the occasional isolated nightmare game, but they're becoming less and less common. Webb is simply not at the developmental level Bushrod is, Webb's never had that mantle season.
Did the Bears overpay for Bushrod? Yeah, but not by much. And that peace of mind may be worth it in the long run.
And unless I missed it, the Bears are keeping Webb, so don't be surprised if he's starting for the Bears down the road.
At the moment he's our starting RT. Trust me, I know the Bears are a long way from where they need to be. They still have quite a few holes, in both sides of the ball. I'm just glad Emery recognizes our needs and is attacking them early.
1. Better than Sanchez 2. Accurate 3. Clean bill of health 4. Legitimate starter when healthy (again, Sanchez) 5. Perfect fit for a WCO 6. Better than Sanchez 7. I like him as a band-aid, he's not a savior
There's a very good chance he's not even the starter Week 1 anyway. Could be Jason Campbell, Sanchez, Greg McElroy, Kevin Kolb (who will probably get cut), or some other bad-but-hopefully-not-2012-Sanchez-bad QB.
Bernard Pollard is the first Raven departure I didn't expect, and am upset about. He was a tone setter on defense and the most sound tackler, on the back end.
I thought they might be able to retain Ellerbe, but not shocked that they didn't. I'm just glad they got something for Boldin and didn't have to just release him.
I do like the addition of Canty, hopefully he can put some pressure on Terrance Cody to step it up a bit.
We are definitely soft in the middle now, and have no experienced depth at WR, so there are definitely some things to address.
The change in culture is going to be necessary. Pollard was a huge part of that "thug" culture. I think you're one mistake is going to be losing Bolding and not having anyone be able to step up on 3rd down. I'd be really nervous right now if I was Joe Flacco. People are going to expect alot out of him, and his cast is not going to be so supportive...
I'm certainly not expecting a repeat, but the Ravens are probably still the best team in the AFC North. Ozzie has proven himself as a GM. The Ravens almost always make quality draft picks and navigate free agency well. They will pick up a WR somewhere, but Torrey Smith and Dennis Pitta are a good foundation moving forward. Won't be surprised if Ed Reed leaves, as well, so filling holes in the defense is probably the first priority.
I think most teams and coaches want nothing to do with Hard Knocks anymore. We'll probably continue to get teams who are either having trouble with ticket sales and blackout games or teams rebuilding. Which sucks. Of those teams, I think Carolina might be a team that would do Hard Knocks, and it would be an interesting watch.
Jets are never in danger of having games blacked out.
You're rarely going to get a team on Hard Knocks that has a chance at contending, I think the '10 Jets were the only team to do the show and make the playoffs (there might have been one other - Ravens?). You need a bad team with story lines, they could go back to Miami this year and show an in depth look at Jonathan Martin getting beat like a drum for all of eternity (that guy sucks, and he's blocking Tannehill's blind side? Oooookay then). They could possibly convince Snyder to do it with the Skins, but in the end I think you're looking at a team like Tampa (who was one of the last teams standing last year).
Talib just signed for 1 year and 5 million. With him in the fold and adrian wilson playing situational SS, the pats secondary just might be league-average!
Just need to add a corner and a pass-rusher in the draft (And an OL if vollmer doesn't sign) and things will be shaping up quite nicely
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Mar 29, 2013 16:38:36 GMT -5
WTH? Tony Romo just signed a deal with Dallas worth $108 million over 6 years. $55 million of it is guaranteed topping Flacco's $52 million guarantee. I guess the restructuring was mainly to help Dallas with the cap room Romo would have cost them this year, but they will pay in the long run. I remember Jerry having to still pay Deion Sanders even after he had moved on to play for the Redskins. This team really needs a GM.
WTH? Tony Romo just signed a deal with Dallas worth $108 million over 6 years. $55 million of it is guaranteed topping Flacco's $52 million guarantee. I guess the restructuring was mainly to help Dallas with the cap room Romo would have cost them this year, but they will pay in the long run. I remember Jerry having to still pay Deion Sanders even after he had moved on to play for the Redskins. This team really needs a GM.
Giants, Eagles, and Redskins fans all have one sigh of relief for a little while. Dallas still has tons of problems, and easily the worst QB in their division.
Giants, Eagles, and Redskins fans all have one sigh of relief for a little while. Dallas still has tons of problems, and easily the worst QB in their division.
Giants, Eagles, and Redskins fans all have one sigh of relief for a little while. Dallas still has tons of problems, and easily the worst QB in their division.
Dallas only has one problem: Jerry Jones still refuses to hand the reins to someone that good coaches want to work with.
He is easily the worst starter in the division. Assuming he actually stays healthy for a full 16 games, he has higher turnover rates and lower TD's/game than any of the other three starters. In fact, he was in the bottom 5 in offensive TD's/game last year and Foles improved it by a full TD when he took over.
Romo isn't bad, I never understood why people put all the shortcomings of a very flawed team on one guy because he f*cked up a play in hilarious fashion in the playoffs a while ago.
Blaming the 2011 loss on him isn't exactly fair, he had a good game that year. This past year he didn't play well, but the only reason they were even in that position to steal a playoff spot is because Romo played out of his mind the two weeks prior.
He's a back-end top-10 QB for the next few years. Did Jerry overpay? Yeah, but in a league where you have to have a top-10 QB to be a real contender, locking that position in for a few years (unless he's completely senile, Jerry structures the extension so they can cut bait for minimal damage after year 3 of the contract) and you hope for a miracle.
My point is, Romo isn't really the problem, Jerry Jones is.
As a Redskins fan, Romo's extension was even better news for me than the news of Fred Davis re-signing yesterday. Don't get me wrong, Romo puts up the numbers and is a top 10 QB from a statistical standpoint, but his inconsistency in huge games continues to plague Dallas and gives me great joy. Not to mention the fact that this gigantic contract is going to be an albatross on their salary cap for years to come, as it appears to be fairly backloaded. Backloading a long-term contract for a 33 year old QB seems unwise.