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Unfortunately, rain rained out my race yesterday, so I had to celebrate in other, more traditional Irish - Italian American ways. Hence why I never made it back yesterday.
Kiko and Roo, what happened here the last 2 days? I came back and there was no discussion. It makes it really hard to figure out who is a townie and who is not if no one is talking, so here are my thoughts:
Both of you seem to be playing to get on the side with 2 votes instead of playing for a townie win. This is really only a good mafia strategy, and not a townie strategy, since even if your PM said townie, it does not help if the other voter's said mafia. In the end, even if you survive, you still lose.
Kiko, you have laid out your thoughts already, but roo still has not. Roo, your game has seemed to be solely about survival this entire game, and not about figuring out who is mafia and who is a townie. No offense, but as I laid out above, that is a mafia strategy. This is why I have voted for you on 3 days so far, but it has not gotten you to talk. In fact, you have had only 3 vote changes the entire game. The two this round from Kiko to me, and from me to null. And then in the second round, when you were on Kiko. Both changes happened with very little explanation and were prompted either by the inspector or thinking you were going to die if I moved to vote for you.
Based on that, I am moving my vote to you for now Roo. Not locking in, but my working theory is that you have been motivated by survival and survival leading to victory all game, willing to absorb a few shots, but by not responding, people have moved on. If you can come out and talk, I would be very willing to listen, but for now, Kiko seems to be searching and you seem to be still trying to hide.
Viking >>> Roo
Also, Fawn, I have 0 votes on me, since Roo went null. (although that may change shortly)
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 27, 2012 12:42:51 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't know for sure if her message would be exactly the same only with "townie" replaced with "mafia" so I'd be taking an unnecessary risk trying to fake it all. But she already notified me she always gives townies the same message every game, so that's why I think it's become a pretty moot point.
I really feel like I've analyzed as much as I could and nothing seems that clear. The only thing I never fleshed out was Roo's vote for me in day 4(?) when he triple stacked me. This is *not* definitively a town or mafia move, it is really just an odd play all around and so it doesn't signify much considering neither town or mafia would want to do this normally. The strange things is how Hakuna came out of the woodworks to suddenly post a long message concerning this and first and foremost clearing Roo's name.
Just an extra piece of analysis for everyone to think on or defend. In my own defense, I've had two opportunities in the past 2 rounds to simply make a vote and vote someone off, yet I haven't because I'm hoping letting things flesh out more will be better for us. Given that Fawn has set a ~30 hour time limit, I guess it's almost time to make our minds up lol.
Fwiw LD, I'll go ahead and sign up for the next round to get things started.
Fawn, I voted for roo in my last post. Sorry for the confusion.
Kiko, regarding you not voting for people to kill them, that was definitely a factor in my switching votes. After rereading the thread again today, I noticed a few things I did not the first time around when I voted for you as I mentioned in my last post. Add to that how the day has played out, and I have switched. I want to be up front in that my vote is not locked in. A lot of it will depend on roo's post, but as I explained, he is playing based on survival right now, and that is definitely a mafia strategy and not a townie strategy. Furthermore, it is the same strategy that MC and Hakuna were playing.
With regards to Hakuna defending him, This can be looked at a few ways. He was either framed or he was being hidden. I am looking at it right now as hidden, since the mafia usually come out and post a few names for various reasons, but usually, there is a lot more debate about whether someone is actually inspector or not. Add to that that Hakuna and roo are not the most experienced players and roo's lack or response at the time, and it adds up to protecting him this late in the game. However, I do not assign too many indicator points to that particular move.
The thing to always remember is that you can never trust a mafia member once they are outed. They will lie and twist to try and hide the other members as much as possible. When looking back, I try and focus mostly on people I clear mentally as townies. That's why I spend so much time thinking about who is a townie and not just who is mafia.
So I guess I am waiting for roo to post. Feel free to ask questions, but this is where I stand now.
Just got outta job 1 now on my way to job 2 first day but I hope you had a good birthday Viking.
Boom
Roo>>>Viking
Your, mafia. I won't be fooled by you again an iv got a real good feeling your the last one
Ask anyone im a terrible liar in this game when I'm mafia I'm long dead by now. Viking on the other hand is really good. REALLY good. Pretty much the reason I vote for him every day one. Townie or not it's important to stay on him. I voted for you a few times kiko because of your "next person below me" thing gave me an uneasy feeling that and it's m first game with you so I figure I throw you a vote. Viking though I feel has been playing I super safe all game and that's not the Viking iv grown to know and fear in this game. First few games I note how I am not a fan of his take over style of play but this time I don't feel like he has tried that at all so for breaking the mold I have come accustomed to playin with I believe he is our final mafia.
Proboards has been very buggy lately with new posts not showing up. WLViking in the future when this happens you can use the "Last 100 posts" button on the main page at the bottom.
Nice. So the first time Roo takes a stand in this game is to call me a good liar, and vote to have me killed. And on top of that, no real theory. Just Viking can lie, I cant, so vote for Viking. It is the same crap I caught at the beginning of the last game I played and the same thing I caught in the start of this game.
Well Kiko, you asked for the deciding vote earlier in the round. My vote is now locked in for the reasons outlined in the previous posts. I am a townie. I voted for the mafia, picked all three in day 2 apparently, had the same instincts as SFA along the way, who has proven to be the inspector, and was willing to listen to your theories before switching my vote, instead of just switching to save my skin.
Ask any questions you have. I am willing to answer. If you vote for me, we lose. If you vote for roo, we win. Choice comes down to you.
Proboards has been very buggy lately with new posts not showing up. WLViking in the future when this happens you can use the "Last 100 posts" button on the main page at the bottom.
Thanks. It was showing that I posted on the home page, but when I hit my post, it did not refresh. 100 posts works though, thank you.
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 27, 2012 15:56:29 GMT -5
Ok, I promise I will lock in tonight, fwiw Fawn. I have free time tonight so I will look back at the past games and see if it's worth anything. In the meantime, either of you want to promise on your account that you're town?
Ok, I promise I will lock in tonight, fwiw Fawn. I have free time tonight so I will look back at the past games and see if it's worth anything. In the meantime, either of you want to promise on your account that you're town?
I debated doing that my last post. As I said earlier, I think it is overdone, and does not prove anything, but I am a townie and I will post my PM from fawn saying I am a townie after the game is over. If you vote roo, and the we lose, I will delete my account, and walk away from inforoo, guest or or new account forever.
This situation is ridiculous. It proves my point about how we need to shake the quiet players early and often, or this will happen to us. Hence, why I voted for roo early in the game.
And you will see how roo out himself with his last post by looking back at previous games. Every other game he is out there and posting. In every other game, I have been right about him, and spend half the game defending him. Also, he said he typically votes for me, but it is actually the other way around. I have voted him first a few times as VP. It is what caught my eye Day 1 of this game.
I will be checking in often, since this game looks to be about wrapped up. Let me know if you have questions.
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 27, 2012 16:50:25 GMT -5
"If you vote roo, and we lose, I will delete my account, and walk away from inforoo, guest or or new account forever."
If you could amend this to "if you vote roo and town loses" please. "we lose" wouldn't mean anything if you were mafia.
This stipulation I'm asking of both of you may seem silly, but really I just want to see someone have to either delete their account or face eternal ridicule
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 27, 2012 17:35:04 GMT -5
Shiz it. Roo said he was leaving to go to his 2nd job, so I'm assuming he won't even get a chance to lay his account on the line before then. In the end, 2 things stick out.
1) Roo's stack and Hakuna's out of nowhere post and clearance of him.
2) Viking's openness to hear all sides and he went to null first this round after I had 2 votes on me. Granted, openness is an equally good mafia strategy to a point. If he is mafia, then hats off to him, he has played it very well.
I do not think Fawn will let the game end without Roo coming back and relocking his vote / making his final plea / protesting his innocence / offering you his sister's virginity if you switch your vote. Either way, looking forward to frying him and celebrating another townie win tonight!
Fawn, I will not post my PM. I think the KDogg rule needs some clarification and embellishment to clear up these issues.
I do not think Fawn will let the game end without Roo coming back and relocking his vote / making his final plea / protesting his innocence / offering you his sister's virginity if you switch your vote. Either way, looking forward to frying him and celebrating another townie win tonight!
Fawn, I will not post my PM. I think the KDogg rule needs some clarification and embellishment to clear up these issues.
Also, I am in for the next game.
Thank you Viking. (On the no PM's.) Yes we can clear up that rule some more. I've got a stick up my ( | ) about PM's being PRIVATE messages no matter what.
Am willing to close this day if both Viking and Kiko post again that their votes for Roo are final.
While we wait... Pick this revision apart - any loop holes or not worded clearly?
10) AKA The kdogg Rule: There will be no sharing of role PMs inside the thread or outside for the purpose of disclosing your role to another player. The 'physical' PM may not be shared: posted, cut and pasted, linked etc before, during, or after the game.
Players may not share account passwords to allow another player to view their PM.
Common sense should be used, no discussion of your roles, except between Mafia, outside the thread - EVER.
Within the thread you may discuss your PM, as truth or Mafia ploy, however the actual PM is not/never to be shared with anyone.
Kiko or Viking I you are townie and you know you are the other is Maia I am not mafia! I play this particular game incredibly leisurely. I just started my first adult job that's right no more lazer tag for roonectar and after work I go back I work coaching swimming. Desperately trying to move out of my house.
Back to the game though, I am not mafia. Don't be fooled by a Mafia who paid a lot more attention then I did!
but I hope you had a good birthday Viking. 
