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So I awnsered some of this in my longer response to Viking and then somehow edited all out when I meant to make a new reply going into detail about something I had said in response to Viking (That edit is my last post.) I'll to start with the basics.
I had MC's name and guessed Hukuna night 1. Viking asked why I guessed Hakuna. If it would have stayed between Phi and LD then things would have been more clear and it would have seemed that the mafia had sit back and gotten a runoff with two townies but Phi and Kiko switched things up and got Viking invovled. Viking became more and more adiment about making Phi out to be a mafia member. At the time I had to hide back and see how things developed.
Having MC's name the most likely scenario was that the mafia were trying to use Phi's first page gaft against him. So I focused on the Phi voters...
It was really between Hakuna and LD because Viking will post much more, so if he is guilty then he would give more clues to that. We needed the quite name so I voted for the most likely in this group.
Viking - Possibly a self preservation vote. Mike D - Switched to MC (the name I had) off of Phi, at a time that would make no sense for the mafia. Hakuna - Hasn't said much. His longest post is fluff that could point to Phi and the new players MC - Given mafia name SFA - Inspector LD - Everyone sit back and seemed fine with him to be in the runoff. He was taken about only after I nulled. Could be mafia but not likely.
After reading through, I have a very strong feeling about who the 3rd mafia may be. But I'm going to keep my mouth shut for now I think. I'll see how things progress after we kill off MC and then Hakuna.
I'm all in on SFA being the inspector. I suggested it earlier because his voting pattern was soooo suspicious. Either he was mafia...or inspector. I guess now we know which one. Sorry for blowing up your spot, SFA
Don't worry about it. It wasn't you that did it. It was partly my fault for being way to obvious about it earlier in the first round. I was just frustrated that nobody was picking up on it.
And I don't blame you for asking me why I voted Roo. I did it because I thought it wouldn't draw attention to me but I couldn't explain that in the tread. NOT that makes him innocent. I was just going off of what I knew at the time.
Interesting that MC and Hakuna popped there heads up yesterday and today and then essentially disappear after SFA come out. Looking forward to seeing their posts when they get back here. Post inspector mafia squirming is always fun to watch.
As I said before, I believe SFA is the inspector. His names match the ones I had on my short list. Hopefully we can go for the win in 4. I have a good idea who I believe is mafia, but in the interest of self preservation, I am not going to name names until then.
Interesting that MC and Hakuna popped there heads up yesterday and today and then essentially disappear after SFA come out. Looking forward to seeing their posts when they get back here. Post inspector mafia squirming is always fun to watch.
As I said before, I believe SFA is the inspector. His names match the ones I had on my short list. Hopefully we can go for the win in 4. I have a good idea who I believe is mafia, but in the interest of self preservation, I am not going to name names until then.
I've got a self-preservation idea for all the townies and it involves you. You might not like it but it might work. Let me think on it.
I would like to apologize to everyone reading this tread. My post have been awful to read. My dyslexia comes and goes but it has been awful the last couple days.
Sorry guys, truly has been a hectic weekend for me. As SFA brought up early my only other quiet game I was mafia. That however, was my first game and I didn't know any better. This time its purely a victim of circumstances. I know most of you seem on board with SFA being inspector, so I don't think I have much of a shot at selling you but I'll try as I see this as one thing and one thing only, a mafia hail mary. Obviously I now know SFA is mafia, and now SFA is defending Phi's innocence. Not only that, now Kiko has also 'conveniently' disappeared before being voted off, without there even being a runoff. 2 mafia being voted is off the first 2 days is pretty ridiculous and odds would be incredibly stacked for the final mafia member to make it until the end, so it really would be a nothing to lose situation. I know SFA explained why he guessed me night 1 and I still don't believe I was a warranted guess. I think between who is left MC and myself would be the hardest targets for the mafia to get voted off. LD, Roonecter, and Viking, you have all been targets for unfounded reasons based on playing style in the past. It wouldn't be too hard for the mafia to pull that card at anytime later in the game. There ya have it, I don't think the whack will be particularly telling. So we'll see where I stand tomorrow. While I don't know that it will make a difference, as I think most of you seem sold this round, just for formalities sake
This is fucking silly. You guys just blindly believe SFA even though he didn't really have to come out as inspector. My guess is that Phi was innocent and that SFA is now gonna get "whacked" giving more credit to his theory, which still leaves 2 mafia. I don't know what you expect me to say in my defense, SFA claims I was his given name, so if you guys believe him then you believe him. Him being cocky and saying "oh what so are you guys just gonna give up?" is just to make him look like he has confidence, if he really were inspector why would he be asking me to defend myself?
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 20, 2012 14:58:31 GMT -5
Holy shiz I missed a lot! Fwiw, for those saying I "conveniently" left, I put it out there well ahead of time and yeah I was in Asheville all weekend and wasn't going to waste time on this game when something in real life was going on for me. I repeated my voting scheme because I wasn't sure I'd get to come back and have a say in the game, so I figured an arbitrary one was better than anything and it would relieve all of you of analyzing my vote.
Anyway, reading this, I was extremely surprised SFA suddenly was being nice talking about me after I went after him in rd 1. The fact that he didn't falsely accuse me of being mafia PLUS the fact that no one else has come out as inspector makes me think it may be true what he says. For it to be false means Mike D would have had to have been inspector and mafia guessed correctly (~12% chance).
I have one more thought, but I will save it for next round hopefully.
Seeing everything seems set, I will just leave my vote.
Obviously I now know SFA is mafia, and now SFA is defending Phi's innocence. Not only that, now Kiko has also 'conveniently' disappeared before being voted off, without there even being a runoff.
Look back. I was saying Phi was innocent last round as well. You are also making a huge assumption concerning Kiko getting voted off. It was the middle of the day on Sunday. The round had plenty of time to shape up. Kiko was in no real danger of getting voted off yet.
2 mafia being voted is off the first 2 days is pretty ridiculous and odds would be incredibly stacked for the final mafia member to make it until the end, so it really would be a nothing to lose situation.
SO you are suggesting that maybe Phi made that fatal error in judgement and then Kiko and I made a huge scene arguing against each other all in the first round? Am I reading you right? We would have to be one dumb group of mafia members. I've won the last three times I've been Mafia and it wasn't by acting a fool and bring attention to myself and my other mafia members.
I know SFA explained why he guessed me night 1 and I still don't believe I was a warranted guess. I think between who is left MC and myself would be the hardest targets for the mafia to get voted off. LD, Roonecter, and Viking, you have all been targets for unfounded reasons based on playing style in the past. It wouldn't be too hard for the mafia to pull that card at anytime later in the game
No it makes pretty good sense. I had MC's name. Given the situation and the fact that MC was sitting on his vote he was more then fine to see Phi get voted off. He even said so himself not long before the runoff started last round. So clearly my best guess was to go with someone voting along side him. I could narrow it down pretty easy from there, as I've already shown.
SFA, assuming you are the whack, can you give us your final thoughts before 9?
Yep, I'm working on it right now. I can post until I'm dead, so I'll hold off with my guess until I get out what I need to say. Which isn't much, as I thank I've explained everything I could.
I'm trying to decide If I want to name who I thank is the last person. Might be best not too.
This is quacking silly. You guys just blindly believe SFA even though he didn't really have to come out as inspector.
Once I had Hakuna's name I planed on coming out this round. I've came out in the second round every time I've been the inspector because I've always guessed right and had two names.
The way the round was going didn't give me much hope that I known member was going to end up in the runoff and everyone had voted. So, out of frustration, I went ahead and showed my cards. Sue me.
My guess is that Phi was innocent and that SFA is now gonna get "whacked" giving more credit to his theory, which still leaves 2 mafia. I don't know what you expect me to say in my defense, SFA claims I was his given name, so if you guys believe him then you believe him.
If Phi is innocent then why would I fake inspector for absolutely no reason? A better argument would have been to go along with the same line as your mafia buddy Hakuna and suggest that he might have been guilty.
Him being cocky and saying "oh what so are you guys just gonna give up?" is just to make him look like he has confidence, if he really were inspector why would he be asking me to defend myself?
Because I wanted to get both of you talking and providing more information and possible clues. Plus, most players would be up in arms if they were falsely accused. I know you were on here posting last night, so it's not like you didn't know. Which should make everyone see that you were sitting back hatching a plan in PMs or what not.
So here is the thing. Viking was asking why I thought he might be mafia after I explained why I voted Phi when I was pretty sure he was innocent.
When the first round was between Viking and LD. Viking added Phi back into the runoff a couple hours after Mike took him out. MC then comes along and says this 7 minutes after Viking's switch.
Wow. Sorry I haven't been around, guys. Working like crazy. I'm gonna leave my vote where it is, I'd be cool with a 3 man runoff this early.
This wouldn't be the first time a mafia member has made it a three way runoff to better position themselves to get themselves or another member more breathing room in the coming runoff. This doesn't make Viking guilty but it does definittly needs to be addressed. If you read back, Viking does focus more on proving why Phi is mafia. Now it might just be Viking being a little cocksure but the timing is interesting.
Later that same night Hakuna posts this and keeps his vote were it is. Maybe knowing what he was going to do when the runoff started???? Look at his wording here. He is setting himself up for a vote switch to Phi in the runoff. I guess you could also argue he might have been trying to suggest someone move to Kiko?
-I never trust fairly active rookies, especially ones that play the innocent clueless rookie card. I did it, Werther did it last game before the restart. To me it seems to be more of a norm than an exceptions. -In the last few games there have been a lot of stupid mistakes followed by something along the lines of "A mafia member wouldn't be that stupid". Its only a matter of time before this becomes a normal mafia move. Roonecter, I specifically wrongfully accused you of doing this a few games ago. -It's really hard for me to base anything on how active someone is on day 1. Being overly active is usually a good way to get yourself in the runoff, being quiet gets people suspicious of you for day 2. We all know day 1 is a crapshoot, sometimes I feel like taking a shot in the dark and sticking to it would be the best option. -Last but not least, I am not targeting these statements at any of you in particular THIS GAME, just some food for thought. My inquisitive day 1 nature usually gets me in trouble, but my goal is to get people talking and theories flowing.
Hakuna's reasons for his first round runoff vote didn't set well with me either. He didn't really give a reason for voting Phi in it. And gives an explanation that doesn't really flow with what happened in the game. I didn't know Hakuna was mafia at the time but this still seemed a little weird.
I think I am going to give Viking the benefit of the doubt and maybe live to finally see a day 2. It seems to me that some one in mafia always instigates him into making himself look guilty day 1. He's an easy target we can revisit later if need be. Hakuna >> Phi
So basically this is why I voted Phi because a lot of things point to the third possible being Viking. I thought If I switched I was bring way to much attention to myself. I'm not 100 precent at all but this game has always had at least one member of the mafia making moves and being vocal. We know it's not MC or Hakuna taking on that role. So if it's not Viking then you guys need to buckle down and pay attention to every detail. If Viking and Phi are both indeed innocent then the other member might have voted for Viking in the first round, etc. Read through the game and see what it what.
I'm going to eat real quick and send in my guess. Which I'm not going to reveal unless the mafia doesn't whack me.
First, thanks for digging me a hole buddy. You know that as inspector, your words carry more value, and if / when the mafia whack you, it will make it that much harder for me to contribute anything of value to the discussion.
Second, I was very clear on why I voted for Phi, and it had nothing to do with why anyone else voted for him. Phi gives me the same trouble that Bacon does in that he acts guilty all the time to someone who plays like me. Phi, if you are reading this, I am sorry about the towniecide, and you can laugh at me when the game is over.
Third, you played as mafia with me a few games ago. If you remember, I was extremely paranoid about distancing myself from you and EAP that game. You said it yourself in round 1. Why would all the mafia vote on the same side, especially me? I know it fits, but you know that I fit in with almost any mafia theory because I have very strong opinions.
If you live tonight, please ask my name. Otherwise, I do not know how to prove I am a townie. I didn't highlight what you were doing Day 1 because I thought you could be inspector (and because Kiko and Jimmy made no sense at the time). I called out the two people you said were mafia. And I jumped on Phi and actually gave a reason for doing so. Unfortunately, by naming me, you gave the mafia more incentive to kill you, since now I am going to be under fire Day 4, and make a perfect scape goat to the townies on Day 4.
To the townies, if you do decide to kill me day 4, look to the person who is most adamant about killing me that day as your 3rd mafia member. I plan to participate as usual, but in a more reserved day so that hopefully I can help us figure this out.
Probably not mafia based on what has happened in the game Lowerdeck - Was left hanging in the runoff for far to long. Was saved from the runoff by the inspector after Kiko's last minute switch.
Kiko - Has made several radical moves that haven't served the Known Mafia's interest.
Jimmyroo - Voted Viking into the runoff at a time that didn't serve the known mafia's interest what so ever.
Unknown
Noage - Voted Viking and might be the "distancing" member if both Viking and Phi were innocent. Mike D did make it clear he wanted to go back to voting partners with him but that's not proof of anything.
Roonector - so so quite
Viking - If it were me, I would vote Viking off after Hakuna. At least that way the mafia can't keep him around until the last round to try to be a light rod for townie votes.
Sorry if you are innocent Viking but you know I had to point all that out. Hopefully you can prove your case if I'm wrong.
Sorry if you are innocent Viking but you know I had to point all that out. Hopefully you can prove your case if I'm wrong.
I ave done the same when I thought I was going to die. Disagree on some points of the breakdown, but hopefully people give me the benefit of the doubt.
SFA, what do you think about Viking posting Hak/MC as possible mafia? Does mafia ever call out other mafia to put them into the conversation?
Yes, Viking and I went after each other on purpose when we were mafia. I also called out are other partner(EAP) as mafia in that game. But that goes for anyone. If the mafia picked up on me being inspector for going after MC so early they could have moved to distance themselves.
SO don't be deadset on it being Viking just because I said so. Read over the game and see if there are other clues.
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