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and to everyone that thinks its only 3 headliners that bothers people about the line up is completely mistaken, i dont understand why people think this, its the whole line up and the direction this line up is going. im not gonna go into detail because i have before in a couple diff threads
I count less than five acts that I would consider out of place with the direction Roo has been headed since it's inception...
I didnt say any band is out of place, all im saying is that they are moving towards a more mainstream/indie scene like they always have been, just this year solidified it in more peoples eyes than the past years i feel. I feel that i hear and talk to more dissatisfied people this year than any other
But I dont think for a second that Kanye is much deeper than the other capitalists. I dont actually see him making any real push for social change. Making the occassional song or comment that deals with a social injustice but doesnt truly advocate action isnt depth.
Yeah, I tend to think his best stuff is his more personal work. I also tend to think there's a certain crowd that likes Kanye and feels the need to latch onto his more political or socially conscious songs as justification for liking something pop. It's okay to like pop music. It's pop for a reason. It sounds good.
And as for Kanye's ego, I don't find it that unusual in the music world. There are a ton of musicians who take themselves too seriously and are total assholes. Most of them just don't have the mainstream sensibilities Kanye does.
I count less than five acts that I would consider out of place with the direction Roo has been headed since it's inception...
I didnt say any band is out of place, all im saying is that they are moving towards a more mainstream/indie scene like they always have been, just this year solidified it in more peoples eyes than the past years i feel. I feel that i hear and talk to more dissatisfied people this year than any other
I'm not sure how Langerado or Rothbury are any less commercial or mainstream. And I don't even think it's about MTV or VH1 (Rothbury is WAAAAAAY more VH1 friendly than Bonnaroo).
The bottom line is there are two BIG reasons at the top of the bill that people don't like this lineup (I'm generalizing here of course): Kanye and Metallica. Hip/Hop and Metal. And again, I'm generalizing here, but a lot of jam types I know don't generally like these two genres.
When they saw Metallica and Kanye West at the top of the bill, and then saw names like Lupe Fiasco, Mastodon, Against Me! and M.I.A., a lot of those peeps freaked the fuck out, and didn't notice that 2/3 of the lineup is pretty much in step with the jam festival scene.
But then it happened in 2006 and 2007, too. You can't please everybody with a lineup.
Post by chicojuarz on Feb 25, 2008 16:24:06 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
I also tend to think there's a certain crowd that likes Kanye and feels the need to latch onto his more political or socially conscious songs as justification for liking something pop. It's okay to like pop music. It's pop for a reason. It sounds good.
I completely agree with this statement on pop. I like pop music and movies and all of that stuff. Sure its not deep but I dont need to always be deeply artistic. However, many people do want that. Possibly my favorite rapper of all time was ODB and that was just pure pop rap and nothing more.
In regards to the lineup, I think people have let themselves get carried away by a minority of acts. I was very much on the fence about going because I wanted to see if a fest had headliners that appealed more to me, not because I thought the environment would change. Honestly, I love this lineup until you get to the top three.
Post by Sköldpadda on Feb 25, 2008 16:28:40 GMT -5
chicojuarz said:
Possibly my favorite rapper of all time was ODB and that was just pure pop rap and nothing more.
I don't mean to nitpick, but Return to the 36 Chambers was definitely not pop. It's probably one of the least-accessible hip-hop albums I can think of.
Post by chicojuarz on Feb 25, 2008 16:34:54 GMT -5
oopsikillednana said:
chicojuarz said:
Possibly my favorite rapper of all time was ODB and that was just pure pop rap and nothing more.
I don't mean to nitpick, but Return to the 36 Chambers was definitely not pop. It's probably one of the least-accessible hip-hop albums I can think of.
Other than that, you're good.
Did you feel that way? I never felt like that at all. Maybe he and I were soul mates.
I dont know where i said that langer or roth were less commercial, i didnt even say thats a bad thing, the reason I think people dont like the line up is because it seems boring obviosuly not everyone is gonna agree im not gonna change anyones mind and no one is gonna change my mind and 2/3rds of the lineup def isnt in step with the jam scene, i mean there is phil, trucks, Allman Bros(who noone really cares to see anymore since theyv been playing the same jam for the past 10 years) and then theres what like Robert Randolph, and yonder, all these bands i feel are part of one tiny little section of jam bands, and there not big draws at all. i mean, whatever
Post by Sköldpadda on Feb 25, 2008 16:38:37 GMT -5
chicojuarz said:
oopsikillednana said:
I don't mean to nitpick, but Return to the 36 Chambers was definitely not pop. It's probably one of the least-accessible hip-hop albums I can think of.
Other than that, you're good.
Did you feel that way? I never felt like that at all. Maybe he and I were soul mates.
Well, I personally love it, but a lot of my friends think it's the most obnoxious mess they've ever heard. I've tried to put it on and just kinda let it grow on people, but it never works with ODB.
There's always a point where whoever it is looks at the stereo and looks at me, and asks "what the hell is this?"
Post by Sköldpadda on Feb 25, 2008 16:52:13 GMT -5
I think it's just a slow starter, the first few songs after Shimmy Shimmy Ya are extremely weird. Like Sweet Sugar Pie, etc.
The great thing about ODB on that album is that you can tell he's completely serious. That's what I loved about Dirty, it definitely wasn't an act with him, he really was crazy. The man went to cash his welfare check in a limousine, while doing an interview.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 25, 2008 17:17:40 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
lakai2788 said:
and to everyone that thinks its only 3 headliners that bothers people about the line up is completely mistaken, i dont understand why people think this, its the whole line up and the direction this line up is going. im not gonna go into detail because i have before in a couple diff threads
I count less than five acts that I would consider out of place with the direction Roo has been headed since it's inception...
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 25, 2008 17:19:37 GMT -5
Allman Bros(who noone really cares to see anymore since theyv been playing the same jam for the past 10 years) and then theres what like Robert Randolph, and yonder, all these bands i feel are part of one tiny little section of jam bands, and there not big draws at all.
well, i for one care a whole lot about the allman brothers...one of my favorite bands
and as far as the others not being big draws, i believe you are grossly mistaken
2/3rds of the lineup def isnt in step with the jam scene, i mean there is phil, trucks, Allman Bros(who noone really cares to see anymore since theyv been playing the same jam for the past 10 years) and then theres what like Robert Randolph, and yonder, all these bands i feel are part of one tiny little section of jam bands, and there not big draws at all. i mean, whatever
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2008 19:02:24 GMT -5
I still cant wrap my head around the hate for the lineup. I dont see how its a bad thing that Bonnaroo has come out with a lineup almost completely (damn Coachella) uniQue from any other festival right now, yet they still book a number of acts that were there from the very start of it all (jack happens to be one of these people surprisingly). I also feel like it would take less than a handful of 'Roo favorites to totally swing peoples opinion from hating to loving. Claypool and moe. are some names that come to mind. dont blame bonnaroo for SCI breaking up
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2008 19:43:37 GMT -5
ive personally yet to experience all that is Bonnaroo, so the lineup could have been made up 100% of people who have already played there and it wouldnt affect me in the least. A lot of the people complaining however are self-proclaimed roo vets, yet they are upset the lineup is different. i dont get it, as i would rather not spend all that money to see the same acts year after year. Then ive also heard the complaints that there arent enough acts that people havent already seen. i dunno, the just seems to be a lot of contradictions and hypocrisy involving the lineup. The general internet consenses seems to be that the Bonnaroo lineup is bad because A) There are too many "new" acts that dont fit the Roo atmosphere (IE Metallica) or B) there are too many acts people have already seen (IE ABB)
i dunno. put up the 08 line up im gonna go, put up the 05 lineup im gonna go, put up the 02 lineup im gonna go. its on the farm and from what ive heard thats ALL you need at Bonnaroo.
Post by Sköldpadda on Feb 25, 2008 19:56:30 GMT -5
A lot of people just want to make sure you know that they don't like bands as un-cool as Metallica. Others are offended because they've had a very un-cool coworker come up to them and say something about Bonnaroo and how awesome Kanye West is. Other people are just angry because they used to have a festival that nobody in the "mainstream" knew about, and now everyone knows about their little exclusive secret.
There. I said it.
Edit: And some people just don't feel like it's "them" anymore. That happens, too.
(back to top) i feel like some of you are hating a couple bands being there so much, u either wont end up going or won't be able to enjoy yourselves, why let it ruin a great thing and u might have to accept that bonnaroo is becoming a bit more mainstream...shit happens
How about some threads with better vibes (what i was trying to accomplish with this one but it took a wrong turn somewhere)
I love Kanye West as an artist. I used to hate him but then I listened to Graduation all the way through. He stays true to himself as an artist and an individual which means people either like him or they don't. If you look at mainstream hip hop he doesn't follow that image formula in the sense that he doesn't wear baggy jeans, grillz, rap about hustling on the streets, banging ho's, etc. As one of his lyrics say, "Everything I'm not made me everything I am."
As for Metallica...yeah, they're sell outs but I've never seen them in concert before so why not? I'm all for jamming along to One and Master of Puppets.
There are a ton of bands I've either never heard of or don't care for....however, I can pretty much vibe with any live music.
I dont see whats so ignorant about what I said? all those bands are def only a corner of Jam Band square. and theyre all old been around forever bands, no one is going to roo just for yonder or randolph because they are always around a couple times a year. as far as the Allmans go there summer tour was dissapointing at the least. everyone i talked to on ratdog tour had the same thing to say about Allmans that i did after the jones beach show.(maybe iv just seen them to many times, or maybe Im just an asshole but i dont really see how my statement was ignorant) when they played jones beach, it was much much emptyer than the past 8 times iv seen them there also iv never seen soo many people leave a show early before. haynes should stick with mule, im sure Allmans will put on a good show at roo but if uv seen em before i hope u forgot what it sounded like otherwise ur in for some deja vu
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 26, 2008 18:57:39 GMT -5
You sound really stuck on not wanting to see ABB... i dunno.
but im gonna just put this about as bluntly as i can....
Bonnaroo isnt THE jam band festival anymore, as far as i can tell its not even A jam band festival anymore. Get over that fact and enjoy the diversity, or go to one of the other million festivals springing up now that are trying to grab the jam band scene that feels deserted by Bonnaroo. THEN stop talking about how Bonnaroo has changed, thats very evident, most people have accepted it, and im sure Bonnaroo themselves will be the first to tell you they arent the same festival they were when they started. What do you want to be done? Should the lineup revert to 3-4 years ago so that the fest can be a big secret again?
Wow - sounds like there is a lot of animosity and angst - Part of music is not having preconceived notions and to think we know what to expect. We have all seen bands on good and bad days - but hey that is life and music/art mimic life. I am not a big metal fan, but Metallica can JAM. Check it out - you might be surprised - but remember that just because you do not like the music does not mean it is not good music or that they are not talented. I really think Metallica is going to surprise a lot of people. That said - there is also a lot of hate towards Pearl Jam. Again - I think you will be surprised - I saw them last year in my hometown of Santa Barbara and they kicked ass - they played a killer mostly acoustic first set that rocked. The Allman's - they might not be what they used to be - but Warren is hot right now - he is not going to let anyone down. I am just fired up to have so many options including the ones listed above - that if I do not like one band it is not the end of the world. Hell - its bonaroo - it is going to kick ass - I can't wait. I hope everyone gets a taste of some new music and perspectives are changed and preconceived notions are thrown out the window - Hope to see you there - I'll be the guy loving every minute of it.