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I think it comes down to a choice between Mike D and EAP or both. Both of them have been MIA all game even though they have been posting elsewhere on the board. As I said, I think it is likely that LD was being set up. I believe SFA would have figured out a way to at least vote if he was mafia whether through another partner or not so I am inclined to think he is a townie as well.
So with all that said,
Viking >>> Mike D
As an aside, I am doing daddy daycare today so I am on my mobile. Sorry if it is not fully coherent
I believe SFA would have figured out a way to at least vote if he was mafia whether through another partner or not so I am inclined to think he is a townie as well.
I had no access to the internet or my cellphone for 5 days. Several members of this board can back me up on this because they had no texts from me. These are people I talk to on a daily basis.
Viking, I would like to say that the post count/supposed MIA deal has been used against me for the past several games. I will give you partial credit for using that against me as in one of the games SFA was all over the three of us who were mafia I was just plain dumbfounded on what angle to take. The other times it was used by mafia against me to get me voted out. As I have said in previous games, if you want to pull that card on me, at least go back and see how quiet I have been vs how many of those games I have been mafia. Going solely by post count or quietness or whatever you want to call it, the odds are stacked against your opinion. I will have to assume you will do as the other folks who try to do the same thing to me, and just kind of ignore this post, don't look back or back up your accusations with anything from this game - it's fine as I am getting used to that by now. It is true that I have a lower post count than most, if not all, of the remaining players, but take a look at the posts themselves. They don't beat around the bush, they are not filled with crap or fluffed up to look really long and deep when they aren't, I simply say what I see going on, how I look at the kills and other votes if they apply, vote and leave it at that. It's round 4 now, surely you can come up with something better at this point than just being too quiet.
That was my point. Otherwise you would have had 2 pissed off or frantic partners asking for an extension.
OK, I see that now.
So you think the MC kill was just to set up LD? Why? Honestly, I still haven't really figured out why they killed MC. I can't think of a time that a 4th round has had this many long time players in it.
First, Mike D, I I do not ignore posts, especially if they are directed at me. And as you pointed out, your posts have substance over the fluffy, "hey, just me checking in" type of crap that I really do not count. However, you HAVE been quiet, and I never forget my first game where you let me defend you while you were mafia and I was dead wrong. My biggest problem with silence is that people stay quiet and ultimately fly under the radar until it is too late to figure out they are mafia. No one has talked about you or EAP at all, and I would at least like to take a peak. Hence my vote for you last round and this round. The deciding factor for me was that you voted for me, and EAP did not, and I am always suspicious of people who set me up. I am in no way set yet, but I would at least like to get everyone at the table.
That was my point. Otherwise you would have had 2 pissed off or frantic partners asking for an extension.
OK, I see that now.
So you think the MC kill was just to set up LD? Why? Honestly, I still haven't really figured out why they killed MC. I can't think of a time that a 4th round has had this many long time players in it.
The MC kill can be taken 2 ways IMO. First, LD is mafia and the rest of the mafia were looking to do it to help protect him. In my opinion, this is less likely, because it really was heavy handed. Second, and more likely, it was done to set up us to look at LD and vote for him this round. However, that seems really heavy handed too.
The problem is, there was no good reason to kill MC, unless you were just eliminating a player. As you and LD have said, it leaves you with 5 players who are all really experienced. Ill go back to what I said earlier in the game, in that if I was mafia, I would have killed SFA, and even more now because his absence essentially confirms him as a townie. So, the mafia have to think they are good enough to fool the remaining 3-4 townies and win the game with at least 1 confirmed townie. I have never been whacked because it is too easy to set me up. Same with LD. That leaves a pool of MC, EAP, SFA, and Mike D. MC, Bone, and I all voted LD. Bone got lynched, and MC got whacked, leaving me the only LD voter. EAP, SFA, LD and Mike D are all on the LD vote side. From a mafia standpoint, LD was already suspicious, and I am last man standing on the other side. Similar to last round, it sets up a really convenient pairing to put suspicion on, and the quieter people can slide right by.
Aside from all of this, I have been wrong more than right in this game, but this is why I think the MC vote was to set up LD.
I've had a hunch that EAP has been floating around with me for a long time. Knowing I got set up with that MC whack, EAP can just probably sit back behind me knowing I'm a townie with SFA.
If we have two Mafia alive, then it's likely MikeD and EAP. If we have one, I'd bet it's...
lol what? floating around with you? not sure what that means but you are always on about how i only vote for you b/c i think you're weird or whatever, so i tried to avoid that this game. now you are making me feel like i should have voted for you b/c you haven't actually said anything to contribute this game, which makes me think YOU might be mafia.
i also think its funny how mike d hardly had anything to say and now that its down to just a few of us, he is getting good at pointing fingers, so for now....
EAP>>>>mikeD
for the record i'd rather vote LD in case anyone else wants to see him in a runoff.
The MC kill can be taken 2 ways IMO. First, LD is mafia and the rest of the mafia were looking to do it to help protect him. In my opinion, this is less likely, because it really was heavy handed. Second, and more likely, it was done to set up us to look at LD and vote for him this round. However, that seems really heavy handed too.
The problem is, there was no good reason to kill MC, unless you were just eliminating a player. As you and LD have said, it leaves you with 5 players who are all really experienced. Ill go back to what I said earlier in the game, in that if I was mafia, I would have killed SFA, and even more now because his absence essentially confirms him as a townie. So, the mafia have to think they are good enough to fool the remaining 3-4 townies and win the game with at least 1 confirmed townie. I have never been whacked because it is too easy to set me up. Same with LD. That leaves a pool of MC, EAP, SFA, and Mike D. MC, Bone, and I all voted LD. Bone got lynched, and MC got whacked, leaving me the only LD voter. EAP, SFA, LD and Mike D are all on the LD vote side. From a mafia standpoint, LD was already suspicious, and I am last man standing on the other side. Similar to last round, it sets up a really convenient pairing to put suspicion on, and the quieter people can slide right by.
Aside from all of this, I have been wrong more than right in this game, but this is why I think the MC vote was to set up LD.
First, I want to be clear that I wasn't slighting MC as a player. He's been solid every game I've played with him. I was simply going off of history, were the mafia typically starts picking off the most experienced players after they feel they've killed the inspector. Another reason it was a surprising whack is because it could be argued that Bacon was leading us towards him in the first round. Plus, he has been quite which also draws suspicion.
Having said that, you make a good argument for the mafia killing him to set up LD. HOwever, there is another angle to this that I actually brought up to Boneroo earlier in the game. The mafia will also keep people alive if they fill they are on the wrong track or have aligned with a certain player. It's happened to me several times. When I've been so off track the mafia kept me around in the hopes that I would side with them. The last time I can remember was when Mike D was inspector. Like five games back or so?
I did not read that game since I took a few months off but I am very surprised it worked. And I was not slighting mc either. In fact, you kind of made my point. Look at the pool they had to pick from. Ignoring LD and I, it was Mike D, SFA, EAP, and MC. Every person was experienced and every person has shown the ability to adapt on the fly as the situation changes. Even if we were headed down the wrong path, each person likely would stop and at least consider the whack before moving on. Which brings it back to LD being set up or LD setting all of us up.
I wish we had a better idea of who the inspector was.
First round Bacon >>> Viking >>> Boneroo >>> MC NBF >> Boneroo >> Mike D >> Bacon MC >> LD >> EAP >> Boneroo
Second round NBF >>> Boneroo >>> SFA >>> quacker MC >>> Quacker
Third round MC >>> LD
So the only two real connections are all three whacked players voted for Boneroo at some point. Two of them voted for Quacker. In fact, MC was the first quacker vote that round and then NBF turned the final votes toward him. She also started off the first two rounds voting for Boneroo. Not sure if that helps but maybe someone can look over the votes and find a connection.
We have to be careful not to get into a two person runoff to quickly.
So the only two real connections are all three whacked players voted for Boneroo at some point. Two of them voted for Quacker. In fact, MC was the first quacker vote that round and then NBF turned the final votes toward him. She also started off the first two rounds voting for Boneroo. Not sure if that helps but maybe someone can look over the votes and find a connection.
ok, i can dig this theory. you have been good to me so far this game, you seriously better not be mafia or i will disown you forever.
Not sure exactly how yall see the votes, but to me it looks like Viking and EAP need to be our priorities.
Looking over the votes, this makes since. BUT I think we need to look at who else could possible be paired together if we have two mafia left. That way we don't end up with a runoff that could lock in a win for the mafia.
I did not read that game since I took a few months off but I am very surprised it worked.
To clarify, it didn't work all the way to the end of the game. I finally came around. I was just pointing out that the mafia do tend to keep people alive if they can use them as a cat's paw or alley.
So the only two real connections are all three whacked players voted for Boneroo at some point. Two of them voted for Quacker. In fact, MC was the first quacker vote that round and then NBF turned the final votes toward him. She also started off the first two rounds voting for Boneroo. Not sure if that helps but maybe someone can look over the votes and find a connection.
ok, i can dig this theory. you have been good to me so far this game, you seriously better not be mafia or i will disown you forever.
Edit: Shortened down Mike's quote to make it clear what part I was referring to.
EAP>>>mikeD>>>null
Haha. I'm not but you have to realize the way the votes look, you are one of the most suspicious. It all just depends on who we think the inspector is.
I'd also like to point out that MC voted in two different rounds. I just left it out of the post you quoted and wanted to complete my point. I'm not saying it means anything. I highly doubt MC was inspector.
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SFA, can I just ask you what I have done to make myself one of the more suspicious players? The only whack vote I got was VPing with Bacon, and that was my VP. My pre-runoff voting is always targeted by the mafia, whether it is how I pick VP or my switch to you, then stack on someone.
As for the 3 lynches, we have killed at least 1 mafia member, maybe two. Between Hakuna, Quacker, and Bone, I would put Quacker at the top of the most likely mafia list from the way he was playing and whack interest, followed by Bone, followed by Hakuna. I was the first to jump on quacker, and rode him in round 1 and 2, all the way out of the game. In fact, I was criticized for this and Mike D thought it was a mafia distancing move because I was on him so much when no one else was. But you at the time mentioned you remember what he did in Mafia 50, and it was pretty similar.
I do not know about Hakuna. It was too early in the game to tell. Bone, I will grant you that the whacks point to him being mafia, but I still say he was set up.
Either way, I still do not understand why people believe I may be mafia, and I know I am a townie. As I said earlier, this comes down to EAP and Mike D, although I am more inclined to say EAP now, since she has gone along so readily to your suggestions this round.
SFA, can I just ask you what I have done to make myself one of the more suspicious players? The only whack vote I got was VPing with Bacon, and that was my VP. My pre-runoff voting is always targeted by the mafia, whether it is how I pick VP or my switch to you, then stack on someone.
As for the 3 lynches, we have killed at least 1 mafia member, maybe two. Between Hakuna, Quacker, and Bone, I would put Quacker at the top of the most likely mafia list from the way he was playing and whack interest, followed by Bone, followed by Hakuna. I was the first to jump on quacker, and rode him in round 1 and 2, all the way out of the game. In fact, I was criticized for this and Mike D thought it was a mafia distancing move because I was on him so much when no one else was. But you at the time mentioned you remember what he did in Mafia 50, and it was pretty similar.
I do not know about Hakuna. It was too early in the game to tell. Bone, I will grant you that the whacks point to him being mafia, but I still say he was set up.
Either way, I still do not understand why people believe I may be mafia, and I know I am a townie. As I said earlier, this comes down to EAP and Mike D, although I am more inclined to say EAP now, since she has gone along so readily to your suggestions this round.
It was more of a placeholder vote because I was just being cautious of there still being two mafia. At the time I voted I thought it could be you aligned with LD or possible EAP. I don't really believe that but I wanted to insure we didn't get duped into a two person runoff that didn't go along with the past round's votes. I just wanted to see where everyone else stood. Plus read back over the game.
I tend think the first round points to EAP. My only hold back on Quacker is why noone made an effort to force a second runoff. I feel Mike D is most likly a townie because he voted for two of the lynched players, which we know at least one of those three was mafia.
Still reading over things but I'm at work at the moment.
As I said earlier, this comes down to EAP and Mike D, although I am more inclined to say EAP now, since she has gone along so readily to your suggestions this round.
wut? if i was mafia, why would i go along with what SFA said so easily unless he was mafia too? i don't know what to tell you guys. i had over 35 parent teacher conferences this week and i am beat. i trust SFA b/c he's a good player and its pretty obvious to me that is probably not mafia. the rest of you are driving me crazy. now i don't know who to vote for.
Sorry y'all this weekend has been crazy. Friends in from home, Desaparacidos last night, etc.
That being said, I think the overall quiet nature of this game has me stumped. I'm okay with having a LD/Boneroo runoff, but if we're being honest I'd rather viking in that runoff instead of LD.
LD if anyone else agreed on my suspicions of Viking or voted for him I probably would've, but it seems like he's been cleared for at least this round. Once this round is over and we know whether or not we were wrong about any of our choices, I think we'll have a bit more to think about.
I don't really trust anyone at the moment. I've learned that lesson over time. I know this will be my last round. Either the game will end or they will whack me. That's why I'm trying to push people to look at the votes and see if there are possible connections between players.
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NBF >> HakunaWhacked night two LD >> Hakuna MC >> LD >> EAP >> Boneroo >> HakunaWhacked night three Mike D >> Boneroo >> NBF >> Hakuna SFA >> Hakuna Viking >> Hakunna
Boneroo >> mCVoted off round 3 Quacker >> Bacon >> MCVoted of round 2 Hakuna >> SFA >> MCVoted off round 1 Bacon >> Viking >> Boneroo >> MCWhacked night one EAP >> MC
Also, the final tally from the first round. Where Bacon got whacked. We know he wasn't trying to push things towards MC. So he was either voting along with the name he had (notice at least one dead mafia is voting MC) to hide. Or he is voting against LD, Mike D, or you.
This also points to EAP voting along with fellow mafia to try and save Hakuna.
At this point, I'm fine with voting off EAP or you.
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