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No, it explains why you look at a typical hit in the NFL in 2013 and try to force it into a label that doesn't fit. Keller was 2 inches, as approo pointed out, or about 2 nanoseconds away from simply being up-ended and trotting back to his huddle.
In the NFL players are in a constant sea of season-ending injuries, they are literally seconds away from them at any moment. Swearinger is not wrong and is not dirty for going low. It's sad that Keller is now out for the year (for everyone but Jets fans, at least), but I didn't see your hand-wringing at Antonio Smith, who whapped a guy with his own helmet. You only care or call him dirty because he went to SC>
you didn't get my point. I'm calling him a dirty player because I know that he is, I've seen it. I don't think every SC player is dirty. there are plenty of dirty players that don't play for SC. I'm calling him out because he's in the news and his reason for hitting him low was malarky and what I said is definitely true. he's going to hit low now because hitting high will cost him money. not to say that he's the only one doing it.
His reason for going low is not BS, it's 100% justified when guys are being docked full game checks (or more, much more) for coming into contact with a QB's or defenseless receiver's helmet. The league has made a player's head the biggest no-fly-zone in the history of the NFL, so minimize that as just some guy making excuses to cheap shot is minimizing what's become very evident over the past 5 years: hitting in the head makes your sanity go bye-bye when you get older.
Do you realize a guy like Swearinger, if he faces a $25,000 fine, is actually PAYING MONEY to play in an NFL game, when you deduct his %'s for agent representation and whatnot?
You hate the player, we get it, but what he did wasn't dirty and while he over-compensated for his past style of going high by going super low, in today's NFL coaches would rather you do that than cost the team 15 yards because you were 3 inches too high with the crown of your helmet.
The fact that he played for South Carolina wouldn't have anything to do with that line of thought, would it?
Swearinger has acknowledged that he has had to harness his aggression, based on the way the game is officiated now. Hell, at least half the DB's in the league are in the same boat. That doesn't make a hit in the legs a dirty play, it actually makes in a conscious one. This is the NFL as we know it now. If you are going to be flagged, fined, and suspended for hits above the shoulders, you are going to start aiming low. Not to mention what to do when you need to make a tackle on a guy who outweighs you by about 50 pounds. If the hit had been 2 inches higher and in the thigh and Keller had been upended and gotten up people wouldn't have thought twice about it, but the fact is, you can't calculate to that degree in the moment.
Linemen rolling up guys legs and things like that are easier to diagnose as dirty plays. DBs making open field tackles on receivers is something completely different, especially the way the rules are written now.
Pretty sure you could have just stopped after your first sentence. sang_xcx's bias knows no bound
I believe sang_xcx has taught us all that the only football related bias that exists is those loons who says that the conference who has won the last 7 national titles is the best conference in college football, and we all know that sang is a champion for truth and justice when it comes to exposing the evils of that lie propagated by the sports media.
I Googled this earlier in the morning after Sang commented that Swearinger was a dirty player and he does appear to have a history of going for the head-shot. I don't think there was intent to injure on the Keller play. His comments in the article do make it sound like he has poor tackling fundamentals.
I Googled this earlier in the morning after Sang commented that Swearinger was a dirty player and he does appear to have a history of going for the head-shot. I don't think their was intent to injure on the Keller play. His comments in the article do make it sound like he has poor tackling fundamentals.
yea I wasn't making it up, I've seen him play enough to know what kind of player he is.
Sang, no one is challenging your expertise in ACC favoritism, we're saying that wasn't a dirty hit and the guy clearly is trying to NOT go head-hunting which led to this hit.
Go back to the SEC and Clemson thread before you spill something.
Sang, no one is challenging your expertise in ACC favoritism, we're saying that wasn't a dirty hit and the guy clearly is trying to NOT go head-hunting which led to this hit.
Go back to the SEC and Clemson thread before you spill something.
you all brougt up who he played for. that has nothing to do with it, other than allowing me to see him play a lot.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Aug 21, 2013 15:46:38 GMT -5
If Swearinger had popped him in the head and knocked him out for a second, its a dirty play. Because he was conscious of the rules and went low to avoid a hit to the head, he is still a dirty player. Got it.
If Swearinger had popped him in the head and knocked him out for a second, its a dirty play. Because he was conscious of the rules and went low to avoid a hit to the head, he is still a dirty player. Got it.
so a guy that was notorious for going for heads would never maliciously go for another body part? got it.
If Swearinger had popped him in the head and knocked him out for a second, its a dirty play. Because he was conscious of the rules and went low to avoid a hit to the head, he is still a dirty player. Got it.
so a guy that was notorious for going for heads would never maliciously go for another body part? got it.
No. A person with a reputation for going high will, when entering a league that is insane about calling penalties when guys go high, consciously go low on people to avoid those penalties. This wasn't Bernard Pollard diving at Tom Brady's knee, you're letting your personal dislike of a player influence how you see a play. It sucks, it was a split-second away from being just a big hit, but it is highly unlikely that he intentionally planned and executed a "tear ACL/MCL/PCL and dislocate the knee" cheap shot.
If Swearinger had popped him in the head and knocked him out for a second, its a dirty play. Because he was conscious of the rules and went low to avoid a hit to the head, he is still a dirty player. Got it.
so a guy that was notorious for going for heads would never maliciously go for another body part? got it.
He has a reputation for hitting hard and, occasionally, high. Just like a lot of guys in the NFL and college. I don't think he was flagged more than 2 or 3 times for hits last season (he had a fair amount for celebrations and taunting and the like). But "malicious?" I wouldn't go that far. Especially when this particular hit was the exact opposite of his prior "offenses," and by all accounts done in an attempt to avoid hitting him in the head.
Post by Grizzly with a Sword on Aug 21, 2013 18:33:28 GMT -5
Both of those recent hits (Texans & Bears) were clean. The problem is you are telling these players they can't hit certain areas and they do the exact opposite and it still results in injurys. It's football, each one of them know what they are getting into in terms of potential injurys.
ESPN's Ron Jaworski [sp?] actually made a pretty good point today saying that if you tell these players they can't hit low or they can't hit high well all that is left is the midsection. Which this may be okay for some players, but when you have someone like Adrian Peterson barreling towards your DB, good luck with your DB making that clean midsection hit and actually knocking him over.
Now that 2/5 of the Giants o-line is out for 6-8 weeks, I have infinitely less faith that we will make the playoffs. Especially because we already have a bottom 10 defense in the league which is suffering from its own rash of injuries. Ugh.
I try to look on the bright side. At least it is the worst 2/5.
Well, seeing how the Giant's line was already pretty overrated, that shouldn't ruin your season too much.
It feels ruined. Both of our defensive "captains" Justin Tuck and Antrel Rolle are super banged-up already - not like they weren't regressing talents anyway. Plus our rookie DE (Damontre Moore), who has been performing well in practice, is hurt. Our linebacker situation is so murky that, as of today, I honestly couldn't tell you with any certainty who will start at any given LB position. Our "#1" CB, Corey Webster, who sucked horribly last year and was "poised for a bounce-back year" is also hurt. Prince Amukamara and Jayron Hosley are OK - but they would need to take huge steps forward which I doubt will happen. Our #3 safety got suspended for steroids (thanks Will Hill). Oh yeah, JPP is on the PUP list.
And that is just the defense................
At least you guy's don't have a bucket full of ACL's over in the training room.
Well, seeing how the Giant's line was already pretty overrated, that shouldn't ruin your season too much.
It feels ruined. Both of our defensive "captains" Justin Tuck and Antrel Rolle are super banged-up already - not like they weren't regressing talents anyway. Plus our rookie DE (Damontre Moore), who has been performing well in practice, is hurt. Our linebacker situation is so murky that, as of today, I honestly couldn't tell you with any certainty who will start at any given LB position. Our "#1" CB, Corey Webster, who sucked horribly last year and was "poised for a bounce-back year" is also hurt. Prince Amukamara and Jayron Hosley are OK - but they would need to take huge steps forward which I doubt will happen. Our #3 safety got suspended for steroids (thanks Will Hill). Oh yeah, JPP is on the PUP list.
And that is just the defense................
The defense should worry, but Eli will put on Peyton-level performances randomly to get the Gmen to 9/10 wins, and if they get healthy they might win that derp-pile division.
I just want the Jets to come in 2nd so the Phins and Billdos can suggit.
A nice read from Bill Barnwell (one of the best guys covering the NFL) about 5 common coaching decisions every NFL coach makes, and what history dictates they should do.
A nice read from Bill Barnwell (one of the best guys covering the NFL) about 5 common coaching decisions every NFL coach makes, and what history dictates they should do.
A nice read from Bill Barnwell (one of the best guys covering the NFL) about 5 common coaching decisions every NFL coach makes, and what history dictates they should do.
Santonio Holmes is 100% trolling the media with this foot injury thing.
First, he leaks to the media his expectation to miss "at least the first 1/4 of the season." Next, he jogs over to the media gathering at a practice and says "I can't run." Then, he says he expects to start the year on the PUP list (which means you miss at least the first 6 games of the season). Then, after last week's preseason game he runs routes in a full sprint, with multiple cuts and appears to be moving very well. Lastly, this week, he said he might not play at all this year.
Today, he was taken off the preseason PUP list and moved to the active roster.
The media scrambling to adjust their predetermined narratives to Holmes' trolling has been a nice change of pace compared to the typical BS we Jets fans sift through.
Santonio Holmes is 100% trolling the media with this foot injury thing.
First, he leaks to the media his expectation to miss "at least the first 1/4 of the season." Next, he jogs over to the media gathering at a practice and says "I can't run." Then, he says he expects to start the year on the PUP list (which means you miss at least the first 6 games of the season). Then, after last week's preseason game he runs routes in a full sprint, with multiple cuts and appears to be moving very well. Lastly, this week, he said he might not play at all this year.
Today, he was taken off the preseason PUP list and moved to the active roster.
The media scrambling to adjust their predetermined narratives to Holmes' trolling has been a nice change of pace compared to the typical BS we Jets fans sift through.
Well, I feel bad for Mark's fu manchu, since that thing is the real star of the QB battle.
People are saying Rex made the worst coaching move EVARRRRR by putting Mark in after Geno. Except, he's in a QB competition so wtf is Rex supposed to do?
Geno wins by default now, so he needs to play the entire game next week. Whatever, if the Jets were going to do well this year it was going to be because of their defense and OL, which are still intact for the most part. Geno at least has the ability to get better, Mark is still derping in Year 5 so I'm not that upset about him not starting Week 1 (which I will be present for).
Well, I feel bad for Mark's fu manchu, since that thing is the real star of the QB battle.
People are saying Rex made the worst coaching move EVARRRRR by putting Mark in after Geno. Except, he's in a QB competition so wtf is Rex supposed to do?
Geno wins by default now, so he needs to play the entire game next week. Whatever, if the Jets were going to do well this year it was going to be because of their defense and OL, which are still intact for the most part. Geno at least has the ability to get better, Mark is still derping in Year 5 so I'm not that upset about him not starting Week 1 (which I will be present for).
That Fu Manchu is pretty amazing. He should get a point every week in fantasy football just because of it.
I asked because Bleacher Report had an amazingly biased article on the incident, and I wanted to get a different perspective. If you remove the utter rubbish they spewed in that article, their argument gets down to it's a preseason game which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. You know what you are getting from Sanchez pretty much as a QB, so Rex should have just put in McElroy and waited to see what Smith did in practice to rebound rather than putting Sanchez back in. Really, they freaked out because Sanchez got hurt. If he would have came in and been mediocre without the injury, people wouldn't even have been writing about it. Since he got hurt though, it's sensationalist journalism time.
I agree with you about the whole thing. Sanchez is a known quantity. You know what you are getting with him, and apparently training camp hasn't shown any indication that he is going to rise above that. Smith is a guy who has a higher potential upside. He will probably suck his rookie year like most rookie QBs do (people seem to forget last year was an aberration). It'll get him some game experience though which can only help in the long run.
That Fu Manchu is pretty amazing. He should get a point every week in fantasy football just because of it.
I asked because Bleacher Report had an amazingly biased article on the incident, and I wanted to get a different perspective. If you remove the utter rubbish they spewed in that article, their argument gets down to it's a preseason game which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. You know what you are getting from Sanchez pretty much as a QB, so Rex should have just put in McElroy and waited to see what Smith did in practice to rebound rather than putting Sanchez back in. Really, they freaked out because Sanchez got hurt. If he would have came in and been mediocre without the injury, people wouldn't even have been writing about it. Since he got hurt though, it's sensationalist journalism time.
I agree with you about the whole thing. Sanchez is a known quantity. You know what you are getting with him, and apparently training camp hasn't shown any indication that he is going to rise above that. Smith is a guy who has a higher potential upside. He will probably suck his rookie year like most rookie QBs do (people seem to forget last year was an aberration). It'll get him some game experience though which can only help in the long run.
It's just the media's latest avenue to bash the team. Sanchez is working himself into a new offense, acting like he doesn't need the reps is bullsh-t. Smith showed last night he is able to make big plays, it'll be about him getting reps in things like "Justin Tuck is better than anything you saw in college, and he's not even elite anymore, get used to it, rook." Start him, rely on Powell/Ivory and the OL and hope the defense keeps you in games. It's what got them two deep playoff runs with Sanchez as a young QB, it makes sense to go back to it since the team has a similar make-up.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 25, 2013 10:55:21 GMT -5
NFL Network's analysts are unbearable for me. The game commentators aren't much better. The Jets do have a rough opening schedule, but I'd expect them to get more than one win.