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Are you saying that stereotype doesn't exist? It definitely does. Every black qb has to deal with the perception that they are better runners.All I said was that Tajh doesn't fit the stereotype. He's not a great runner.
Are you saying that stereotype doesn't exist? It definitely does. Every black qb has to deal with the perception that they are better runners.All I said was that Tajh doesn't fit the stereotype. He's not a great runner.
Yeah, definitely defend your ignorant statement instead of admitting you shouldn't have said it. That usually smooths things over quickly.
Are you saying that stereotype doesn't exist? It definitely does. Every black qb has to deal with the perception that they are better runners.All I said was that Tajh doesn't fit the stereotype. He's not a great runner.
Yeah, definitely defend your ignorant statement instead of admitting you shouldn't have said it. That usually smooths things over quickly.
You're being far more ignorant, to pretend the stereotype doesn't exist.
Yeah, definitely defend your ignorant statement instead of admitting you shouldn't have said it. That usually smooths things over quickly.
You're being far more ignorant, to pretend the stereotype doesn't exist.
I find the way your brain works to be just fascinating sometimes, Sang.
You just said "but he's not the stereotype black qb type of mobile," feeding into that stereotype. I have to explain why you shouldn't say the thing you said?
You're being far more ignorant, to pretend the stereotype doesn't exist.
I find the way your brain works to be just fascinating sometimes, Sang.
You just said "but he's not the stereotype black qb type of mobile," feeding into that stereotype. I have to explain why you shouldn't say the thing you said?
No. He was using the stereotype, assuming that Tajh would be used as a mobile QB and he gave a list of players that have nothing in common with Tajh except the color of their skin. Tajh is not that type of player. He can run a little bit but not well enough to be used in that way. That's not his strength st all.
I find the way your brain works to be just fascinating sometimes, Sang.
You just said "but he's not the stereotype black qb type of mobile," feeding into that stereotype. I have to explain why you shouldn't say the thing you said?
No. He was using the stereotype, assuming that Tajh would be used as a mobile QB and he gave a list of players that have nothing in common with Tajh except the color of their skin. Tajh is not that type of player. He can run a little bit but not well enough to be used in that way. That's not his strength st all.
Show me where, in his quote, muppets says anything of the sort. You can't, because he didn't. In fact, he said the complete opposite:
I didnt say he is more of a runner than a passer. I said he is not the prototypical pocket passer type. That is not an insult or a knock on him. There are many starting QBs let alone backups who are not prototypical pocket passers.
He goes out of his way to say that he is NOT more runner than passer. Nice strawman, Sang.
No. He was using the stereotype, assuming that Tajh would be used as a mobile QB and he gave a list of players that have nothing in common with Tajh except the color of their skin. Tajh is not that type of player. He can run a little bit but not well enough to be used in that way. That's not his strength st all.
Show me where, in his quote, muppets says anything of the sort. You can't, because he didn't. In fact, he said the complete opposite:
I didnt say he is more of a runner than a passer. I said he is not the prototypical pocket passer type. That is not an insult or a knock on him. There are many starting QBs let alone backups who are not prototypical pocket passers.
He goes out of his way to say that he is NOT more runner than passer. Nice strawman, Sang. Good stuff.
You missed the whole part about how he would be used as the mobile QB to prepare the team in practice. That's like saying Aaron Rodgers would be used that way. Can he run a little? yes, but is that what he would be used for? never. And no, I'm not saying Tajh is going to be as good as Rodgers. That's the first person I thought of to compare his running ability.
Are you saying that stereotype doesn't exist? It definitely does. Every black qb has to deal with the perception that they are better runners.All I said was that Tajh doesn't fit the stereotype. He's not a great runner.
The perception that existed was not that black QB's are better runners. It was that by being effective using thier legs they somehow can't also be effective using thier arm or were not smart enough to use thier arm and HAD to run to be effective. That is just no longer the case. See Cam Newton going #1. See RG3 going #2 and Teddy Bridgewater possibly going #1. See Alex Smith getting benched while going 6-1 for Kap who had one start on a Monday night against a Bears team starting a backup QB, was riddled with injuries and he has started ever since. See EJ Manual being the first QB taken last year. See Russel Wilson starting day one as a rookie over a guy they gave a 10 million dollar contract to (Flynn). It is just not an issue anymore.
Probably more importantly, this shift started years ago at the high school level with coaches realizing the effectiveness of the spread offense. Now you could put the ball in the hands of your best athlete every down (instead of making that athlete a RB or WR) and let them choose to run or throw. To do so, you had to trust the decision making skills (regardless of color of skin) The end of the perception that black QB's are not smart is a product of something that started at the grass roots level over the last decade+ and filtered its way up, not the other way around. That supports Taj Boyd, not hinders him. The strong built mobile QB is the mold and the ability to do both is what most teams are looking for. Now I know you watch more Clemson games then ALL the scouts (yes all) that talk about his mobility as a plus BECAUSE he is good at keeping his eyes downfield while he is moving behind the line of scrimmage. Mobility does not mean he runs the ball. Kap is at his best when the defense freezes because they dont know if he is going to run or throw. Yet here we are with your statements that collectively come off that you are trying to defend Tajh Boyd's ability to throw by saying he is not a runner and therefore not part of a stereotype that does not actually exist anymore. I dont know what you are trying to do really.
Show me where, in his quote, muppets says anything of the sort. You can't, because he didn't. In fact, he said the complete opposite:
He goes out of his way to say that he is NOT more runner than passer. Nice strawman, Sang. Good stuff.
You missed the whole part about how he would be used as the mobile QB to prepare the team in practice. That's like saying Aaron Rodgers would be used that way. Can he run a little? yes, but is that what he would be used for? never. And no, I'm not saying Tajh is going to be as good as Rodgers. That's the first person I thought of to compare his running ability.
I was on the fence about whether or not you were trolling earlier, but now I'm confident you're just a simple idiot.
Please, for the love of fuck, never put Tajh "Poops" Boyd in the same sentence as Aaron Rodgers. No, that is NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE to saying they should use Aaron Rodgers that way.
Tajh Boyd will be lucky to go in the first three rounds of the NFL draft, he is on no one's radar to be a starter and since he's being PROJECTED as a backup, Muppets is 100% fair in talking about him as a backup who will help the team prepare for mobile passing QB's, you know, since that's what Boyd is.
Maybe, for fucking once, you could research this stuff so I don't have to do it for you. Aaron Rodgers, in two years of starting at Cal, rushed 160 times, total. Tajh Boyd in 2013? 156 rushing attempts. 2012? 186. Don't compare them again, I don't care how much sense it makes in your head, it's nonsensical when you look at any fathomable statistical measure.
Show me where, in his quote, muppets says anything of the sort. You can't, because he didn't. In fact, he said the complete opposite:
He goes out of his way to say that he is NOT more runner than passer. Nice strawman, Sang. Good stuff.
You missed the whole part about how he would be used as the mobile QB to prepare the team in practice. That's like saying Aaron Rodgers would be used that way. Can he run a little? yes, but is that what he would be used for? never. And no, I'm not saying Tajh is going to be as good as Rodgers. That's the first person I thought of to compare his running ability.
Actually the inferrence was (go ahead scroll up and look) that if he is absolutely horrible as a QB and cant start in the NFL, his mobility will help him stay in the league because in addition to being a backup QB, he could also be used in that fashion. The inferrence is to save a roster spot or practice squad spot for something used only a few times a year, not that is what his role would be. In a clarifying post right after I said regardless of how much ANYONE is or isnt that type of QB, teams will use a player on thier existing roster to do this. It is likely Boyds athleticism will allow him to do that and that would help him stay in the league IF he failed at being a starting QB. Nowhere did I say that was his role or limitation. I told you before I am rooting for the guy. I think being mobile and being a good runner, WHICH HE ABSOLUTELY IS, is a positive. To say he can't run is rediculous. To say that he can run DOES NOT MEAN he cant throw. You did see him torch the D with his legs vs a high profile Ohio St defense in this years bowl game, yes? He carried the ball 20 times for 127 yards. He also threw for 378 yards in the game with 5 TD passes. That would qualify as both. Why would you think its an insult to state he is a good runner????
Are you saying that stereotype doesn't exist? It definitely does. Every black qb has to deal with the perception that they are better runners.All I said was that Tajh doesn't fit the stereotype. He's not a great runner.
The perception that existed was not that black QB's are better runners. It was that by being effective using thier legs they somehow can't also be effective using thier arm or were not smart enough to use thier arm and HAD to run to be effective. That is just no longer the case. See Cam Newton going #1. See RG3 going #2 and Teddy Bridgewater possibly going #1. See Alex Smith getting benched while going 6-1 for Kap who had one start on a Monday night against a Bears team starting a backup QB, was riddled with injuries and he has started ever since. See EJ Manual being the first QB taken last year. See Russel Wilson starting day one as a rookie over a guy they gave a 10 million dollar contract to (Flynn). It is just not an issue anymore.
Probably more importantly, this shift started years ago at the high school level with coaches realizing the effectiveness of the spread offense. Now you could put the ball in the hands of your best athlete every down (instead of making that athlete a RB or WR) and let them choose to run or throw. To do so, you had to trust the decision making skills (regardless of color of skin) The end of the perception that black QB's are not smart is a product of something that started at the grass roots level over the last decade+ and filtered its way up, not the other way around. That supports Taj Boyd, not hinders him. The strong built mobile QB is the mold and the ability to do both is what most teams are looking for. Now I know you watch more Clemson games then ALL the scouts (yes all) that talk about his mobility as a plus BECAUSE he is good at keeping his eyes downfield while he is moving behind the line of scrimmage. Mobility does not mean he runs the ball. Kap is at his best when the defense freezes because they dont know if he is going to run or throw. Yet here we are with your statements that collectively come off that you are trying to defend Tajh Boyd's ability to throw by saying he is not a runner and therefore not part of a stereotype that does not actually exist anymore. I dont know what you are trying to do really.
I'm just disagreeing with the way you're saying that he would be used. He very well may be a backup. But he's not the same type of player as the guys that you compared him to. I just wonder what made you make that comparison and all I can think of is that they're all black QBs.
The perception that existed was not that black QB's are better runners. It was that by being effective using thier legs they somehow can't also be effective using thier arm or were not smart enough to use thier arm and HAD to run to be effective. That is just no longer the case. See Cam Newton going #1. See RG3 going #2 and Teddy Bridgewater possibly going #1. See Alex Smith getting benched while going 6-1 for Kap who had one start on a Monday night against a Bears team starting a backup QB, was riddled with injuries and he has started ever since. See EJ Manual being the first QB taken last year. See Russel Wilson starting day one as a rookie over a guy they gave a 10 million dollar contract to (Flynn). It is just not an issue anymore.
Probably more importantly, this shift started years ago at the high school level with coaches realizing the effectiveness of the spread offense. Now you could put the ball in the hands of your best athlete every down (instead of making that athlete a RB or WR) and let them choose to run or throw. To do so, you had to trust the decision making skills (regardless of color of skin) The end of the perception that black QB's are not smart is a product of something that started at the grass roots level over the last decade+ and filtered its way up, not the other way around. That supports Taj Boyd, not hinders him. The strong built mobile QB is the mold and the ability to do both is what most teams are looking for. Now I know you watch more Clemson games then ALL the scouts (yes all) that talk about his mobility as a plus BECAUSE he is good at keeping his eyes downfield while he is moving behind the line of scrimmage. Mobility does not mean he runs the ball. Kap is at his best when the defense freezes because they dont know if he is going to run or throw. Yet here we are with your statements that collectively come off that you are trying to defend Tajh Boyd's ability to throw by saying he is not a runner and therefore not part of a stereotype that does not actually exist anymore. I dont know what you are trying to do really.
I'm just disagreeing with the way you're saying that he would be used. He very well may be a backup. But he's not the same type of player as the guys that you compared him to. I just wonder what made you make that comparison and all I can think of is that they're all black QBs.
You missed the whole part about how he would be used as the mobile QB to prepare the team in practice. That's like saying Aaron Rodgers would be used that way. Can he run a little? yes, but is that what he would be used for? never. And no, I'm not saying Tajh is going to be as good as Rodgers. That's the first person I thought of to compare his running ability.
Actually what I said was (go ahead scroll up and look) that if he is absolutely horrible as a QB and cant start in the NFL, his mobility will help him stay in the league because in addition to being a backup QB, he could also be used in that fashion. The inferrence is to save a roster spot or practice squad spot for something used only a few times a year, not that is what his role would be. In the same quote I said regardless of how much ANYONE is or isnt that type of QB, teams will use a player on thier existing roster to do this. It is likely Boyds athleticism will allow him to do that and that would help him stay in the league IF he failed at being a starting QB. Nowhere did I say that was his role or limitation. I told you before I am rooting for the guy. I think being mobile and being a good runner, WHICH HE ABSOLUTELY IS, is a positive. To say he can't run is rediculous. To say that he can run DOES NOT MEAN he cant throw. You did see him torch the D with his legs vs a high profile Ohio St defense in this years bowl game, yes? He carried the ball 20 times for 127 yards. He also threw for 378 yards in the game with 5 TD passes. That would qualify as both. Why would you think its an insult to state he is a good runner????
I don't think it's an insult. I just think you're misreading him as a player. Do you want to know what my thought was when he was running wild on that OSU defense? That defense must be really slow. Because he never did that before. He ran the ball pretty effectively, but it was mostly as a short yardage back.
The perception that existed was not that black QB's are better runners. It was that by being effective using thier legs they somehow can't also be effective using thier arm or were not smart enough to use thier arm and HAD to run to be effective. That is just no longer the case. See Cam Newton going #1. See RG3 going #2 and Teddy Bridgewater possibly going #1. See Alex Smith getting benched while going 6-1 for Kap who had one start on a Monday night against a Bears team starting a backup QB, was riddled with injuries and he has started ever since. See EJ Manual being the first QB taken last year. See Russel Wilson starting day one as a rookie over a guy they gave a 10 million dollar contract to (Flynn). It is just not an issue anymore.
Probably more importantly, this shift started years ago at the high school level with coaches realizing the effectiveness of the spread offense. Now you could put the ball in the hands of your best athlete every down (instead of making that athlete a RB or WR) and let them choose to run or throw. To do so, you had to trust the decision making skills (regardless of color of skin) The end of the perception that black QB's are not smart is a product of something that started at the grass roots level over the last decade+ and filtered its way up, not the other way around. That supports Taj Boyd, not hinders him. The strong built mobile QB is the mold and the ability to do both is what most teams are looking for. Now I know you watch more Clemson games then ALL the scouts (yes all) that talk about his mobility as a plus BECAUSE he is good at keeping his eyes downfield while he is moving behind the line of scrimmage. Mobility does not mean he runs the ball. Kap is at his best when the defense freezes because they dont know if he is going to run or throw. Yet here we are with your statements that collectively come off that you are trying to defend Tajh Boyd's ability to throw by saying he is not a runner and therefore not part of a stereotype that does not actually exist anymore. I dont know what you are trying to do really.
I'm just disagreeing with the way you're saying that he would be used. He very well may be a backup. But he's not the same type of player as the guys that you compared him to. I just wonder what made you make that comparison and all I can think of is that they're all black QBs.
I said it in the context of if he first was eventually proven to be a failure as a starting QB... that was the comparison to those QB's.
I'm just disagreeing with the way you're saying that he would be used. He very well may be a backup. But he's not the same type of player as the guys that you compared him to. I just wonder what made you make that comparison and all I can think of is that they're all black QBs.
I said it in the context of if he first was eventually proven to be a failure as a starting QB... that was the comparison to those QB's.
I get that now and I did totally glaze over Shaun Hill's name.
I don't think it's an insult. I just think you're misreading him as a player. Do you want to know what my thought was when he was running wild on that OSU defense? That defense must be really slow. Because he never did that before. He ran the ball pretty effectively, but it was mostly as a short yardage back.
Mostly short yardage... In his 40 starts as a QB the last three years, 30 of them he had AT LEAST one run of 10 yards or more.
Honestly, I think you are misreading what I mean by saying he has good mobility. That does not mean he runs first.
I said it in the context of if he first was eventually proven to be a failure as a starting QB... that was the comparison to those QB's.
I get that now and I did totally glaze over Shaun Hill's name.
Translation: "I saw someone mention a Clemson player, didn't bother to read what was actually said, and went into attack mode without having the slightest clue what I was talking about."
I mean, it sucks because it's coming from a guy who killed a person while driving drunk, but this is a very good point in the discussion about the impact of an openly gay player on an NFL team.
Haha, you felt it necessary to clarify that while you agree with Sang's final point, you aren't arriving to it via the same "logic."
I like you.
I could very well be wrong about the lil' guy, but the NFL is a different animal and sometimes the best college players simply aren't bred for it. I'm holding form on my "Manziel is Vick 2.0" stance. Oh, and Tajh Boyd is going to become a fullback (eat THAT, Sang).
Okay. Vick's highest QB rating pre-jail: 81.6, in his second year. This is also the year of his highest ypg average (195). The most total yards he had pre-jail was 3,713 (second season). To put that in perspective, Geno Smith put up 3412 yards, and he was god fucking awful for 1/2 of the season, and was only "hey, I don't want to stab my own eyeballs out" for the other half. Vick, for all his beastitude, only lead the Falcons to two playoff trips in six seasons, getting to the NFC Title game once, losing to Andy Reid's cheesesteak sweats. In the four seasons he started 15+ games pre-jail, he was +2, -5, -3 and +4 in TO +/-. That was a man with the biggest contract ever.
Calling someone Vick 2.0 is not a compliment. It's saying they will show flashes of brilliance that only serve as fuel to how frustrated people get with them.
At no point was Vick putting up MVP-type numbers, and the Falcons didn't get a ton of return on their investment even before he went to prison. And let's not forget that he broke his leg running around in a preseason game, forcing him to miss most of 2003.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.