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It's not even a lock that the Packers make the playoffs...
It's not a lock that the Cards or Iggles do either at this point. I'm confident AZ will though, of course, and GB probably ends up winning the North over DET.
It's not even a lock that the Packers make the playoffs...
It's not a lock that the Cards or Iggles do either at this point. I'm confident AZ will though, of course, and GB probably ends up winning the North over DET.
It's not a lock that the Cards or Iggles do either at this point. I'm confident AZ will though, of course, and GB probably ends up winning the North over DET.
Ehhh Megatron is back yo
Yeah, their D is playing well too. Maybe Stafford doesn't have a horrible December this season. He's like the new Romo.
So, are the Cardinals still a lock for the NFC West? Stanton has less than a 50% completion rate but he also hasn't turned it over. He's 2-1 as a starter and that one game was in Denver and he didn't even play the whole game. Also, SF is falling apart more and more every week, Seattle gets exposed too much, and the Rams can shock a team every now and again but their too banged up and it's too late.
So...Arizona #1 seed?
The entire NFC West is getting absolutely crushed by injuries. It's tough to speculate on any of these teams, really. I will say that Arizona has had an extremely favorable schedule thus far - their best win is either a home victory over Philly or the home victory over San Fran. Coming up they've got games against Detroit, KC, Seattle home and away, and San Fran away. That's a tough run to navigate.
It's not any easier for Seattle, who just placed Brandon Mebane (having a Pro Bowl caliber season) on the season ending IR. They're destroyed with injuries on defense right now - Chancellor, Wagner, Smith, Mebane. Not to mention, they've got the hardest schedule the rest of the way: KC, Arizona, @ San Fran, @ Philly, San Fran, @arzona, St. Louis, with the @ San Fran game on short rest on Thanksgiving.
San Fran might actually be in an okay position; they've got the two games against Seattle and then home vs. Arizona, but then they play the Giants, Oakland, the Chargers and Washington. They could easily rattle off a 6-1 stretch to close the season with that schedule.
So, are the Cardinals still a lock for the NFC West? Stanton has less than a 50% completion rate but he also hasn't turned it over. He's 2-1 as a starter and that one game was in Denver and he didn't even play the whole game. Also, SF is falling apart more and more every week, Seattle gets exposed too much, and the Rams can shock a team every now and again but their too banged up and it's too late.
So...Arizona #1 seed?
The entire NFC West is getting absolutely crushed by injuries. It's tough to speculate on any of these teams, really. I will say that Arizona has had an extremely favorable schedule thus far - their best win is either a home victory over Philly or the home victory over San Fran. Coming up they've got games against Detroit, KC, Seattle home and away, and San Fran away. That's a tough run to navigate.
It's not any easier for Seattle, who just placed Brandon Mebane (having a Pro Bowl caliber season) on the season ending IR. They're destroyed with injuries on defense right now - Chancellor, Wagner, Smith, Mebane. Not to mention, they've got the hardest schedule the rest of the way: KC, Arizona, @ San Fran, @ Philly, San Fran, @arzona, St. Louis, with the @ San Fran game on short rest on Thanksgiving.
San Fran might actually be in an okay position; they've got the two games against Seattle and then home vs. Arizona, but then they play the Giants, Oakland, the Chargers and Washington. They could easily rattle off a 6-1 stretch to close the season with that schedule.
Seattle isn't as a threat as home as they used to be. They almost lost to Oakland and Arizona beat them last year to so Arizona could go to 13-3, and clinch homefield for the play offs and the superb owl
Romo may have something to say about this. (If neither of his backs fail him that is.)
Let's hope. That line is dominating. If he can audible to some quick throws when that all out blitz is coming they can make a run. Controlling the clock and keeping that defense, which is much improved over last year's, off the field for as long as possible gives them a chance.
Seattle isn't as a threat as home as they used to be. They almost lost to Oakland and Arizona beat them last year to so Arizona could go to 13-3, and clinch homefield for the play offs and the superb owl
So you're assuming that Arizona beats Seattle in Seattle this year because they did it last year. Bravo.
I'm not optimistic at all about the Seahawks' chances the rest of this year based on their injuries and their ghastly schedule, but they're 19-2 at home over the last three seasons, with wins at home this season over Denver and Green Bay. To suddenly say they "[aren't] as a threat [at] home as they used to be" because of one home loss and a close win vs. Oakland seems kind of silly, unless you also believe that they weren't really a "threat" at home in 2013 because they lost one to the Cardinals, only beat Tennessee by a touchdown and needed OT to beat Tampa Bay.
Seattle isn't as a threat as home as they used to be. They almost lost to Oakland and Arizona beat them last year to so Arizona could go to 13-3, and clinch homefield for the play offs and the superb owl
So you're assuming that Arizona beats Seattle in Seattle this year because they did it last year. Bravo.
I'm not optimistic at all about the Seahawks' chances the rest of this year based on their injuries and their ghastly schedule, but they're 19-2 at home over the last three seasons, with wins at home this season over Denver and Green Bay. To suddenly say they "[aren't] as a threat [at] home as they used to be" because of one home loss and a close win vs. Oakland seems kind of silly, unless you also believe that they weren't really a "threat" at home in 2013 because they lost one to the Cardinals, only beat Tennessee by a touchdown and needed OT to beat Tampa Bay.
But since Arizona beat them, Seattle has slipped significantly and Arizona has been rising somehow. Arizona kept Murray from 100 yards so Lynch wouldn't be able to go beast mode and Seattles receivers are probably gonna get killed by Cromartie and Peterson. But Arizona can lose at Seattle and it'd be fine because of the lead they already have so as long as they don't fall off too hard they're fine.
Post by Dale Cooper on Nov 12, 2014 12:07:01 GMT -5
I sincerely feel bad for whatever #5 seed has to travel to the Saints this year. Really hoping it isn't Green Bay. Also, as much as I loved watching the Packers decimate the Bears on Sunday, I'm scared for Eagles/Patriots. But it will be a good measure of where this team is right now because after 9 games I really have no idea.
But since Arizona beat them, Seattle has slipped significantly and Arizona has been rising somehow.
Since Arizona beat them, Seattle won the Super Bowl.
Also, you seem to think there's some sort of correlation between Seattle's loss to Arizona last season and both team's respective seasons this year, which is the best kind of stupid.
Arizona kept Murray from 100 yards so Lynch wouldn't be able to go beast mode
So because Arizona was able to slow down one running game, they'll be able to do it against another. Got it. Doesn't matter that the two teams are entirely different, or that Arizona played Dallas while Romo was sidelined. I'm sure the threat of Brandon Weeden was sufficient to keep the Cardinals from keying on the running game all day.
But since Arizona beat them, Seattle has slipped significantly and Arizona has been rising somehow.
Since Arizona beat them, Seattle won the Super Bowl.
Also, you seem to think there's some sort of correlation between Seattle's loss to Arizona last season and both team's respective seasons this year, which is the best kind of stupid.
Arizona kept Murray from 100 yards so Lynch wouldn't be able to go beast mode
So because Arizona was able to slow down one running game, they'll be able to do it against another. Got it. Doesn't matter that the two teams are entirely different, or that Arizona played Dallas while Romo was sidelined. I'm sure the threat of Brandon Weeden was sufficient to keep the Cardinals from keying on the running game all day.
But Arizona can lose at Seattle and it'd be fine because of the lead they already have so as long as they don't fall off too hard they're fine.
They have a two game lead.
but it isn't just one game. Arizona has the best rush D in the league so I have no doubt that Lynch won't go into beast mode. Also Arizona is the clear cut better team of the two. The coaching is incredible, the depth is probably the best in the league and they have a really good set of receivers. I think with Bruce Arians coaching, the home field advantage won't have a huge effect on Arizona.
but it isn't just one game. Arizona has the best rush D in the league so I have no doubt that Lynch won't go into beast mode.
No, they don't. Not by any measure you can possibly use. If you want to use stupid, traditional stats, Arizona has allowed the third-fewest rushing yards per game at 78.6 (coincidentally, Seattle is right behind them at 4th with 79.8, but that's neither here nor there). Looking at actual advanced statistics, FootballOutsiders has Arizona as the 4th best rushing defense after adjustment - behind Detroit, Denver and Seattle. They've got a great rush defense, but not the best one. Not to mention, Seattle is unarguably the best rushing offense in the league, by both traditional metrics and DVOA.
Also Arizona is the clear cut better team of the two. The coaching is incredible, the depth is probably the best in the league and they have a really good set of receivers. I think with Bruce Arians coaching, the home field advantage won't have a huge effect on Arizona.
Again, this is all terrific speculation you're doing here, Captain Intangibles. "The coaching is incredible," based on what, other than your own finely-honed teenage opinion? "The depth is probably the best in the league" as compared to who? Use specific examples. "They have a really good set of receivers," yet only one wide receiver in the top 50 by DYAR.
but it isn't just one game. Arizona has the best rush D in the league so I have no doubt that Lynch won't go into beast mode.
No, they don't. Not by any measure you can possibly use. If you want to use stupid, traditional stats, Arizona has allowed the third-fewest rushing yards per game at 78.6 (coincidentally, Seattle is right behind them at 4th with 79.8, but that's neither here nor there). Looking at actual advanced statistics, FootballOutsiders has Arizona as the 4th best rushing defense after adjustment - behind Detroit, Denver and Seattle. They've got a great rush defense, but not the best one. Not to mention, Seattle is unarguably the best rushing offense in the league, by both traditional metrics and DVOA.
Also Arizona is the clear cut better team of the two. The coaching is incredible, the depth is probably the best in the league and they have a really good set of receivers. I think with Bruce Arians coaching, the home field advantage won't have a huge effect on Arizona.
Again, this is all terrific speculation you're doing here, Captain Intangibles. "The coaching is incredible," based on what, other than your own finely-honed teenage opinion? "The depth is probably the best in the league" as compared to who? Use specific examples. "They have a really good set of receivers," yet only one wide receiver in the top 50 by DYAR.
The fact that they are without Washington, Abraham, and Dockett and still have a great defense is incredible especially after losing Dansby. Arians is the obvious coach of the year by a mile. They're 8-1 and those games were played with three QBs, all those injuries and against legit teams and you wanna say they don't have the best depth in the league? Also the reason why Arizonas receiving core is so good is because Palmer spreads the ball around so much. He hits 8-9 different receivers a game all the time. They have the best hands in the league with Fitz, Floyd who has shown promise, John Brown who has incredible speed, and JaRon Brown who has proven to be a really good fourth option. And don't forget Ellington who is one of the better receiving backs in the league.
No, they don't. Not by any measure you can possibly use. If you want to use stupid, traditional stats, Arizona has allowed the third-fewest rushing yards per game at 78.6 (coincidentally, Seattle is right behind them at 4th with 79.8, but that's neither here nor there). Looking at actual advanced statistics, FootballOutsiders has Arizona as the 4th best rushing defense after adjustment - behind Detroit, Denver and Seattle. They've got a great rush defense, but not the best one. Not to mention, Seattle is unarguably the best rushing offense in the league, by both traditional metrics and DVOA.
Again, this is all terrific speculation you're doing here, Captain Intangibles. "The coaching is incredible," based on what, other than your own finely-honed teenage opinion? "The depth is probably the best in the league" as compared to who? Use specific examples. "They have a really good set of receivers," yet only one wide receiver in the top 50 by DYAR.
The fact that they are without Washington, Abraham, and Dockett and still have a great defense is incredible especially after losing Dansby. Arians is the obvious coach of the year by a mile. They're 8-1 and those games were played with three QBs, all those injuries and against legit teams and you wanna say they don't have the best depth in the league? Also the reason why Arizonas receiving core is so good is because Palmer spreads the ball around so much. He hits 8-9 different receivers a game all the time. They have the best hands in the league with Fitz, Floyd who has shown promise, John Brown who has incredible speed, and JaRon Brown who has proven to be a really good fourth option. And don't forget Ellington who is one of the better receiving backs in the league.
For the love of God, please start defending your claims with something other than bullshit circular reasoning or just stop talking.
"They're winning because they have great depth!" Well, how do you know they have great depth? "You can tell they have great depth because they're winning!"
Post by Billadelphia on Nov 12, 2014 12:55:48 GMT -5
On the safe assumption that the NFC South only claims 1 playoff spot, we should have a pretty spectacular finish for the remaining 5 spots among the below 7 teams
It looks like there will definitely be tie breakers involved for the two wildcard slots. As an Eagles fan, already having lost to the 49ers and Cardinals just makes it that much more important to win the division. Though there are two more big games coming up against the Seahawks and Packers that could have wildcard implications. Should be a fun 7 weeks ahead
The fact that they are without Washington, Abraham, and Dockett and still have a great defense is incredible especially after losing Dansby. Arians is the obvious coach of the year by a mile. They're 8-1 and those games were played with three QBs, all those injuries and against legit teams and you wanna say they don't have the best depth in the league? Also the reason why Arizonas receiving core is so good is because Palmer spreads the ball around so much. He hits 8-9 different receivers a game all the time. They have the best hands in the league with Fitz, Floyd who has shown promise, John Brown who has incredible speed, and JaRon Brown who has proven to be a really good fourth option. And don't forget Ellington who is one of the better receiving backs in the league.
For the love of God, please start defending your claims with something other than bullshit circular reasoning or just stop talking.
"They're winning because they have great depth!" Well, how do you know they have great depth? "You can tell they have great depth because they're winning!"
For the love of Christ.
It's not circular reasoning you're just really daft. I'm saying they have great depth because they are winning with all these injuries and backups all the time. How is that difficult to understand?
On the safe assumption that the NFC South only claims 1 playoff spot, we should have a pretty spectacular finish for the remaining 5 spots among the below 7 teams
It looks like there will definitely be tie breakers involved for the two wildcard slots. As an Eagles fan, already having lost to the 49ers and Cardinals just makes it that much more important to win the division. Though there are two more big games coming up against the Seahawks and Packers that could have wildcard implications. Should be a fun 7 weeks ahead
That Romo injury is proving to get more and more important every week.
For the love of God, please start defending your claims with something other than bullshit circular reasoning or just stop talking.
"They're winning because they have great depth!" Well, how do you know they have great depth? "You can tell they have great depth because they're winning!"
For the love of Christ.
It's not circular reasoning you're just really daft. I'm saying they have great depth because they are winning with all these injuries and backups all the time. How is that difficult to understand?
But it is circular reasoning, you fool. Just because they're winning with injuries doesn't mean that the victories are due to the players who are filling in for an injury. You might actually be correct in a lot of the things you say, but you don't ever point to ANY objective evidence, which is what I'm begging you to do.
It's not circular reasoning you're just really daft. I'm saying they have great depth because they are winning with all these injuries and backups all the time. How is that difficult to understand?
But it is circular reasoning, you fool. Just because they're winning with injuries doesn't mean that the victories are due to the players who are filling in for an injury. You might actually be correct in a lot of the things you say, but you don't ever point to ANY objective evidence, which is what I'm begging you to do.
but it is the reason they're winning! Stanton can unleash some sick throws when needed and when he isn't being a game manager, Foote is plugging the middle really nicely, Tommy Kelly is gonna get an extension at the end of the year when he was only supposed to fill in a year for Dockett. But most importantly none of the back ups are giving up games. You look at other back ups that teams try to exploit especially at QB (What is Brandon Weeden?) but Stanton hasn't thrown an interception yet. So not only are they not fucking up but they're going way above what they were expected to do and are definately starter worthy players.
Edit: Stanton really isn't start worthy but if you put him in the right system he'd make a good game manager (ie 2008 Matt Cassell)
Romo may have something to say about this. (If neither of his backs fail him that is.)
Let's hope. That line is dominating. If he can audible to some quick throws when that all out blitz is coming they can make a run. Controlling the clock and keeping that defense, which is much improved over last year's, off the field for as long as possible gives them a chance.
Post by muppetstakethefarm on Nov 12, 2014 13:26:53 GMT -5
The Arizona talk is going to be meaningless now though. They are not going to win in the playoffs with Drew Stanton at the helm. It will show on the field when he has to start against the Seahawks twice, @ SF and even the Chiefs and Lions (who I dont believe in at all). Its like the Bengals making the playoffs three years in a row and not winning a playoff game. Good enough to make the playoffs, but outclassed once they get there. Stanton has completed 49% of his passes this season. Thats just not going to cut it in January.
The Arizona talk is going to be meaningless now though. They are not going to win in the playoffs with Drew Stanton at the helm. It will show on the field when he has to start against the Seahawks twice, @ SF and even the Chiefs and Lions (who I dont believe in at all). Its like the Bengals making the playoffs three years in a row and not winning a playoff game. Good enough to make the playoffs, but outclassed once they get there. Stanton has completed 49% of his passes this season. Thats just not going to cut it in January.
Defense is starting to win championships again. And Stanton doesn't turn the ball over though. SF isn't a problem since they lost to Austin Davis.
Post by muppetstakethefarm on Nov 12, 2014 13:47:24 GMT -5
The Cardinals beat the 49ers back in September. You cant tell me that if you beat any team in September, you dont have to worry about them in December and January. For the majority of teams, they will be a different team (good or bad). That was week 2. Since then, the same 49ers have beaten the Eagles and Chiefs and just beat the Saints on the road.
Im not saying the Cardinals suck, they just wont be able to win in the playoffs, and likely in the regular season down the stretch with Stanton. The will lose both games to Seattle, and will lose the last game of the season at SF for sure.