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Should we not give people credit for being the first, though? And what we're discussing wasn't a race. The iPad was a race, people knew it was coming eventually and it was only a matter of who and when. When it comes to a person like Hendrix, though, someone truly remarkable in their talents, you can't use that same line of thinking.
Hendrix was the perfect storm. Think of it as a fire. Anyone who has taken the fire safety course in middle school science class knows that a fire needs 3 things to start (fuel, heat and oxygen). Well, the immortalization of Hendrix is similar. It needed the perfect combination of three elements (electrical guitar, technological advancement and Hendrix's god-given talent & unique circumstances) to happen. Without any of the three elements a "fire" doesn't start and Hendrix's legend never grows to where it is today. I agree
Where I definitely disagree with you is the "we would have ended up in the same place" comment. Hendrix was innovative, he did things with a guitar that people simply hadn't seen or heard before.
I love this excerpt from BBC's History of Rock because of the ending line. Clapton was at his peak and Cream were demigods in England, and Jimi went on stage and essentially caused Clapton to give up and walk off. People had heard a guitar played before and people were distorting well before Jimi entered the music scene, so it's not like he smacked them upside the head with some known elements that he simply altered slightly. People were dumbstruck because no one had ever used an instrument the way Hendrix had. People forget, but Hendrix couldn't even read music, he taught himself to play on a one-string ukulele before buying an actual guitar. Hendrix had such an astoundingly unique set of circumstances leading to his talent and fame that I think he is one of a select few artists from that era that actually do deserve special treatment in the annals of music history.
I agree that the argument that something is better because it's older is irritating, but I hope I've discussed this enough that you at least realize that's not what this is. Besides, someone with two Kanye-related quotes in their sig can't hate on Ye.
I love the way that video concludes, btw...Clapton's hands shaking as he tries to light a cigarette...."Is he really that good?"
I used to be in the same boat, CPK. I've come around in a big way to it. It's like jackson said, not a 10/10 like his others, but it's still a great album (and underrated by many).
I think initially people were thrown off because Kanye is a rapper and they were expecting a traditional rap album. When it turned into what it was it caught people offguard. At least that's what happened with me.
Once I put it down and came back to it a couple days later I liked it a lot more. I think people just weren't ready for the direction he wanted to head in for that album, which is one of the reasons he's great.
Finally, and this is beside the point, the mindset of "all the old stuff was better" really irritates me.
It irritates me too, and I'm old. It's especially grating that my "contemporaries" assume that because we are like-aged, we would agree on that mindset. I've inadvertently ended a lot of conversations at parties over this topic.
The new song is supposedly pretty awful. He's also apparently turned into the Wayne Coyne at these live shows. Lots of talking. Not a lot of performing. Too many props.
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I dont think the awesome song is a real song. I think its like an interlude thing ala the "if you love someone tonight" he does during his 16 minute live runaway performances. At least I hope so because its pretty terrible. I am a god however is amazing. Id post it but its been taken down already
edit: its been reuped. rumored title for this track is either i am a god or yeezy season
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
having an one of the biggest icons in an industry that is still relatively homophobic come out of the closet would be huge. Hip Hop has come so far and isn't nearly as bad as it once was but there's definitely still some latent prejudice. Kanye coming out would legitimately change the world.
having an one of the biggest icons in an industry that is still relatively homophobic come out of the closet would be huge. Hip Hop has come so far and isn't nearly as bad as it once was but there's definitely still some latent prejudice. Kanye coming out would legitimately change the world.
Post by Mista Don't Play on May 16, 2013 14:41:00 GMT -5
I don't think it would really be revolutionary, as far as homophobia in hip hop. Kanye's brand of hip hop isn't really rooted in the styles that are further back in the times when it comes to that sort of prejudice. Now if someone like Jeezy or TI, came out, then you are talking about a game changer. It would have some effect, but not even comparibly so to someone from more of a gangster/street brand of hip hop coming out.
My problem with the Hendrix cannonozation is that while he's undeniably talented, he gets credit for being an innovator that I think is overblown. A lot of his success I think is the result of being around during a time of significant technological innovation in the music industry. He gets credit for being a stylistic pioneer, but a lot of what he could do live and in the studio was due in part to technological advances of the time. I compare him to Steve Jobs in a way. It was inevitable that someone was going to invent an iPod eventually, Apple was just first. I honestly believe that without Hendrix we would have ended up in the same place.
I also think he benefits from hindsight, like others are saying. He wasn't this overwhelming force during his life that people assume. He had one album that was number 1 in one country for two weeks and one number 1 single in the UK. Compared to the Beatles or Motown thats nothing. He was a cult icon at the time to the baby boomers who went on to write the history books.
Finally, and this is beside the point, the mindset of "all the old stuff was better" really irritates me.
Edit: I typed this on my phone so it's all messed up.
It's impossible to just pick up on this debate, but this post in particular caught my attention. I honestly had the same thought about Kanye before I read your post. Kanye's run in the 00's goes hand in hand with the technological advances of audio production (especially hip hop). Right when Kenye came out, producing from home and on your computer was just becoming possible. Look at programs like Garageband and Protools. The advances they have made in the past ten years or so is probably the biggest thing to happen to audio production since the invention of analog production. This is the area that I think Kanye excels, and is the only reason you guys are even discussing him. Remove digital production advances, and nobody would be calling Kanye an innovator. He really hasn't done much to "music". He's just been the most successful so far with brand new technology. I have no hand in this debate, but if I'm simply going to play devil's advocate, I'd have to say that your point kind of loses it's impact due to the fact that both artists were greatly assisted by the technological advances of their time period. Now, if I had to decide who's made better use of those technologies, I'd have to go with Hendrix. If you've ever used ProTools, you'd realize how easy making a beat can be.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on May 16, 2013 16:49:25 GMT -5
You spelled Kanye wrong.
I don't care much about who people think is better between Ye and Drix, what I completely disagree with is the idea that it's somehow laughable to even compare the two.
I don't care much about who people think is better between Ye and Drix, what I completely disagree with is the idea that it's somehow laughable to even compare the two.
This is why you don't post on inforoo about Kanye West 5 minutes after having a conversation about Africa at work.
I don't care who's better, I just wanted to add my 2 cents about how similar they really are when it comes to being in the right place at the right time. I totally agree though, and I like Jimmy way more than Kanye.
This is 100% true, but you also have to look at how artists changed music. The way Hendrix changed rock n roll was a much bigger impact than the way Kanye changed hip hop. Kanye is an absolute monster producer, and a pretty great rapper, but his impact on music wasn't nearly as important as Hendrix was.
Ill agree with what your saying but you also have to take into account how completely different the music landscape was at the time.
Really this is the egg or chicken argument. Because you have to take into consideration as well we don't yet know what today's music inspires/changes/evolvs into in the next few decades. In 20 years people will look back and be like wow XX really changed how this was done forever.
I don't care much about who people think is better between Ye and Drix, what I completely disagree with is the idea that it's somehow laughable to even compare the two.
This is why you don't post on inforoo about Kanye West 5 minutes after having a conversation about Africa at work.
I don't care who's better, I just wanted to add my 2 cents about how similar they really are when it comes to being in the right place at the right time. I totally agree though, and I like Jimmy way more than Kanye.
By the way your "you'd realize how easy making a beat can be" argument is ridiculous. Playing guitar can also be really really easy.
This is why you don't post on inforoo about Kanye West 5 minutes after having a conversation about Africa at work.
I don't care who's better, I just wanted to add my 2 cents about how similar they really are when it comes to being in the right place at the right time. I totally agree though, and I like Jimmy way more than Kanye.
By the way your "you'd realize how easy making a beat can be" argument is ridiculous. Playing guitar can also be really really easy.
To be fair, I have been doing both for about 2-3 years...
I shouldn't have worded it quite like that. Guitar takes far more "talent", IMO. Producing takes money and practice. Kanye does have talent, don't get me wrong, but he's also a veteran in what is still a very new thing.
By the way your "you'd realize how easy making a beat can be" argument is ridiculous. Playing guitar can also be really really easy.
To be fair, I have been doing both for about 2-3 years...
I shouldn't have worded it quite like that. Guitar takes far more "talent", IMO. Producing takes money and practice. Kanye does have talent, don't get me wrong, but he's also a veteran in what is still a very new thing.
You can be inherently talented at both but they both take practice and money. guitars arent cheap. you argument is ridiculous. deal with it
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
I don't care much about who people think is better between Ye and Drix, what I completely disagree with is the idea that it's somehow laughable to even compare the two.
This is why you don't post on inforoo about Kanye West 5 minutes after having a conversation about Africa at work.
I don't care who's better, I just wanted to add my 2 cents about how similar they really are when it comes to being in the right place at the right time. I totally agree though, and I like Jimmy way more than Kanye.
Post by itrainmonkeys on May 17, 2013 8:54:03 GMT -5
Kanye has had Jay-Z in his music videos while Jimi could never get Jigga to appear in anything. In fact.....I'm not sure Jimi has any music videos at all. What a lazy sack of crap.
To be fair, I have been doing both for about 2-3 years...
I shouldn't have worded it quite like that. Guitar takes far more "talent", IMO. Producing takes money and practice. Kanye does have talent, don't get me wrong, but he's also a veteran in what is still a very new thing.
You can be inherently talented at both but they both take practice and money. guitars arent cheap. you argument is ridiculous. deal with it
I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about, Mr. Goldfish. Give Jimi Hendrix a 50$ guitar and he can still play pretty much anything he wants. Give Kanye a 50$ producing program? It would sound like crap. You've obviously not done both, or you wouldn't try to tell me that producing takes as much work as playing the guitar. Anybody can press buttons for a few hours. Very few people can even play barre chords for more than a few minutes. Guitar takes actual physical talent. You need finger, hand, and wrist strength. And that's just scratching the surface. Producing just takes understanding of music and the program you are using. Most musicians can pick up ProTools and make a really good beat if you give them enough time. Most producers would need months and months, if not years of practice, to obtain beginner level skills on a guitar. Again, as someone with experience in both, this is absolutely the case.
Kanye has had Jay-Z in his music videos while Jimi could never get Jigga to appear in anything. In fact.....I'm not sure Jimi has any music videos at all. What a lazy sack of crap.
And Jimi doesn't have his own style of sunglasses...