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On a good note, String cheese just got added to Delfest in Maryland May 22nd. I am seeing a very likely SCI addition to hangout. May 1-3st jazzfest >> May 16-18th Hangout >> May 22-24nd Delfest (Maryland) >> June 5-8th Wakarusa. Very possible for them to be at hangout they're obviously going to be staying down in the southeast for most if not all of May.
I've don't see the SCI add happening... Besides the fact that I'd imagine they're big enough to have a radius clause with Jazzfest, I also don't really see where they would fit in the schedule based on the acts we already have...
Also, in what world is MARYLAND "down in the southeast"? Not to nitpick, but that routing doesn't make the most sense to me unless they're getting paid $$$$.
They did "A" rage cover at Bonnaroo. That's not what I'm saying. That's one song. Because to be honest, if they play their normal stuff and play one song I'm probably not gonna check them out. We had definitive rumors from two people on here before the lineup dropped that there was supposedly a full rage cover set happening so I guess I'm just wondering if they've ever done that before or if we know what to expect? It does seem odd that of all bands to have back just one year later, Moon Taxi is an odd choice, but if they're doing something diff like a full cover set, I definitely get it.
I don't understand the Moon Taxi haters. They are awesome live. Great musicians and performers.
No hate here. It's obviously going to depend on who else is playing while they're on, but I guess I wouldn't wanna go into their set thinking one thing and getting something else.
They did "A" rage cover at Bonnaroo. That's not what I'm saying. That's one song. Because to be honest, if they play their normal stuff and play one song I'm probably not gonna check them out. We had definitive rumors from two people on here before the lineup dropped that there was supposedly a full rage cover set happening so I guess I'm just wondering if they've ever done that before or if we know what to expect? It does seem odd that of all bands to have back just one year later, Moon Taxi is an odd choice, but if they're doing something diff like a full cover set, I definitely get it.
There was only one rumor. I posted it. It's been right the whole way. I've posted all this before a few times, but we can do it once more. 2 sets. 1 regular taxi. 1 full rage covers. Yes, they have done full rage cover sets before. I've seen them do it. Taxi has inside connections to HMF. They've played there more than any other band. Expect it to continue in future years.
Boom, that's the answer I was lookin for. 'Preciate it, bud.
No prob. No telling if the sets are the same day or not. The rage set will be the last one tho. There should be some form of "fan vote" so you, the fan, can pick which band Taxi will cover. The fix is in, rage is on no matter the vote.
Anyone got proof of this, cause I think it's just made up by fest goers to explain coincidence.
Having been to 40+ fests in my day, the only time I've heard of something like this is when bonnaroo headlined Phish back in 2009 i think? Phish and roo signed a contract that phish wouldn't play any other US festivals that summer. Other than that sort of contract I've never heard of a radius clause haha. Wouldn't Cheese be technically in the radius clause for Wakarusa then? Maybe they have a deal with Bruce and Phish but not for SCI, i just don't see it.
April 11th - Alex Grey w/ Papadosio May 16th - Tipper w/ OTT @ Red Rocks May 22nd - 24th - Summer Camp Festival May 28th - 31st - Infrasound Festival July 3rd - 5th - Grateful Dead Farewell July 16th - 19th - Camp Bisco July 31st - Aug 2nd - Lollapalooza Aug 8th - 9th - Phish @ Alpine Aug 21st - 23rd - Tipper Chicago @ Thalia Hall Oct 30th - Nov 1st - Hulaween
April 11th - Alex Grey w/ Papadosio May 16th - Tipper w/ OTT @ Red Rocks May 22nd - 24th - Summer Camp Festival May 28th - 31st - Infrasound Festival July 3rd - 5th - Grateful Dead Farewell July 16th - 19th - Camp Bisco July 31st - Aug 2nd - Lollapalooza Aug 8th - 9th - Phish @ Alpine Aug 21st - 23rd - Tipper Chicago @ Thalia Hall Oct 30th - Nov 1st - Hulaween
Super talented, whiny southerny altish rock, 10-20% of songs are really great, but all around kind of cheesy. I actually enjoy these bands a ton more when there are no lyrics being sung. Just too much voice going on with both bands. I can see why people are into either, but I will never be in love. But don't listen to me, have fun.
Also, moon taxi also butchered/butchers "killing in the name of" which really bothered me. I talked about this about 50 pages ago. I know its a cover, but its bad.
Haters be hatin. I would def listen to their album before throwing out exactly what percentage of songs are actually cool. Ya know, actually listen to them. The crowd goes crazy for some taxi rage. I've seen em play killing a few times and it was awesome each time. Have you seen them play rage, or are you just basing your opinion off that one iPhone/YouTube video you posted before? Cuz that's a little thin...
I agree their albums leave much to be desired but they do jam at least somewhat during their live performance, putting a stronger emphasis on their skills as musicians. That's why I'm a big fan. I'll admit that I rarely listen to their albums, but I'll see them live any time they are in town.
It's also absolutely unfair to judge their cover based on a shitty youtube video that was recorded from the crowd, likely on a phone.
Anyone got proof of this, cause I think it's just made up by fest goers to explain coincidence.
Yes, I deal with them on a regular basis. While I have no specific knowledge of Jazzfest or SCI business practices, I can tell you that radius clauses are pretty standard. Festivals may be a bit more dynamic, particularly when it comes to smaller acts, I can bet you the majority of upper half acts have something in the contract. There may be a situation where an act is so scarce, or there are some other special circumstances, and they can leverage their way out of it... but that is more of an exception to the rule. And there are a few other factors in play that could appear to preclude an act from a radius clause- pre-existing engagements, different types of shows, whether a promoter will actually enforce a radius clause etc. - so it's not difficult to find examples of bands playing within close proximity of recent shows. Also, FWIW the standard, seems to be 90-120 days before and 60 days after, with varying mileage (depends on proximity to other major cities, but a 5-6 hour drive is a good rule of thumb).
Again, I have no knowledge of the Jazzfest or SCI (or most jam bands) business affairs, but there seems to have been several questions about radius clauses in the past, so I figured I would share what I know... Could SCI be added to HMF? Very possibly yes, but my educated GUESS is no based on radius, routing, and previously announced acts at HMF. I will be happy to buy Tim a beer and willingly eat my words if I'm wrong.
Also, in what world is MARYLAND "down in the southeast"?
The entire world north of the Mason Dixon usually.
Thats racis
EDIT: While I'm wasting time at work on a slow Friday, I looked up Delfest... Approx. 5 miles south of the Mason-Dixon, so you're correct, but c'mon man!!
Anyone got proof of this, cause I think it's just made up by fest goers to explain coincidence.
Yes, I deal with them on a regular basis. While I have no specific knowledge of Jazzfest or SCI business practices, I can tell you that radius clauses are pretty standard. Festivals may be a bit more dynamic, particularly when it comes to smaller acts, I can bet you the majority of upper half acts have something in the contract. There may be a situation where an act is so scarce, or there are some other special circumstances, and they can leverage their way out of it... but that is more of an exception to the rule. And there are a few other factors in play that could appear to preclude an act from a radius clause- pre-existing engagements, different types of shows, whether a promoter will actually enforce a radius clause etc. - so it's not difficult to find examples of bands playing within close proximity of recent shows. Also, FWIW the standard, seems to be 90-120 days before and 60 days after, with varying mileage (depends on proximity to other major cities, but a 5-6 hour drive is a good rule of thumb).
Again, I have no knowledge of the Jazzfest or SCI (or most jam bands) business affairs, but there seems to have been several questions about radius clauses in the past, so I figured I would share what I know... Could SCI be added to HMF? Very possibly yes, but my educated GUESS is no based on radius, routing, and previously announced acts at HMF. I will be happy to buy Tim a beer and willingly eat my words if I'm wrong.
The entire world north of the Mason Dixon usually.
Thats racis
EDIT: While I'm wasting time at work on a slow Friday, I looked up Delfest... Approx. 5 miles south of the Mason-Dixon, so you're correct, but c'mon man!!
A quick google search yielded plenty of forums where people are talking about shows they've seen leading up to, during, and after JazzFest. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but even this wordy answer is really really generic. Like he "deals with them on a regular basis" or the "few other factors". So, anyone have proof of this? Like any article from any year and any news paper that actually talks about a fest having one of these clauses? Cause, again, pretty much looks like fest fans are just making this up. Any newspaper. Any fest. I mean the guy on the last page swore there weren't any, so it's 1:1.
Post by infinitypass on Feb 14, 2014 16:34:45 GMT -5
Actually --noname-- is pretty spot on with his description. I think if you look at Hangout vs Jazz Fest you see very little crossover except for New Orleans bands sometimes. There are always exceptions - I see the Avett Brothers are playing both - but do I think SCI will play Hangout - not a chance. If you want to read about it you should google "Lollapalooza & radius clauses" as the local promoters in Chicago really had a hard time with this in the past couple of years. Here is one: www.wbez.org/jderogatis/2010/06/breaking-illinois-attorney-general-investigating-lollapalooza-for-anti-trust/27523
Yes, I deal with them on a regular basis. While I have no specific knowledge of Jazzfest or SCI business practices, I can tell you that radius clauses are pretty standard. Festivals may be a bit more dynamic, particularly when it comes to smaller acts, I can bet you the majority of upper half acts have something in the contract. There may be a situation where an act is so scarce, or there are some other special circumstances, and they can leverage their way out of it... but that is more of an exception to the rule. And there are a few other factors in play that could appear to preclude an act from a radius clause- pre-existing engagements, different types of shows, whether a promoter will actually enforce a radius clause etc. - so it's not difficult to find examples of bands playing within close proximity of recent shows. Also, FWIW the standard, seems to be 90-120 days before and 60 days after, with varying mileage (depends on proximity to other major cities, but a 5-6 hour drive is a good rule of thumb).
Again, I have no knowledge of the Jazzfest or SCI (or most jam bands) business affairs, but there seems to have been several questions about radius clauses in the past, so I figured I would share what I know... Could SCI be added to HMF? Very possibly yes, but my educated GUESS is no based on radius, routing, and previously announced acts at HMF. I will be happy to buy Tim a beer and willingly eat my words if I'm wrong.
Thats racis
EDIT: While I'm wasting time at work on a slow Friday, I looked up Delfest... Approx. 5 miles south of the Mason-Dixon, so you're correct, but c'mon man!!
A quick google search yielded plenty of forums where people are talking about shows they've seen leading up to, during, and after JazzFest. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but even this wordy answer is really really generic. Like he "deals with them on a regular basis" or the "few other factors". So, anyone have proof of this? Like any article from any year and any news paper that actually talks about a fest having one of these clauses? Cause, again, pretty much looks like fest fans are just making this up. Any newspaper. Any fest. I mean the guy on the last page swore there weren't any, so it's 1:1.
I really don't care whether you choose to believe me, so I won't go to great lengths to prove anything to you.... I enjoy my job and would prefer not to risk compromising it in anyway...
That said, I will clarify the statements you found to be "really generic"... 1. I deal with them on a regular basis means I review, amend, approve/decline, and make business decisions based on artist contracts, and thus I am very familiar with what is typically in them... It's my job, and it has been for several years. And I can tell you from my personal experience that the majority of contracts for 5+ figures with established promoters have radius clauses. Think about it, it's really not that crazy of a concept... People want insurance on most things that cost that much... This is one form of insurance for a promoter. 2. If you read beyond the words "a few other factors" you would have seen a few examples of the more common reasons why bands sometimes play multiple shows in the same vicinity in a short period of time.
I'm not going to argue about it. I wrote that "wordy" post because I thought maybe you would find it helpful. You are trying to call a standard practice in the live music industry a myth, and it's not. You might as well make the argument that there's no electricity running through power lines. If you genuinely want to research this, and no "a quick google search of other forums" does not count, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to point you in the direction of several credible resources.
Actually --noname-- is pretty spot on with his description. I think if you look at Hangout vs Jazz Fest you see very little crossover except for New Orleans bands sometimes. There are always exceptions - I see the Avett Brothers are playing both - but do I think SCI will play Hangout - not a chance. If you want to read about it you should google "Lollapalooza & radius clauses" as the local promoters in Chicago really had a hard time with this in the past couple of years. Here is one: www.wbez.org/jderogatis/2010/06/breaking-illinois-attorney-general-investigating-lollapalooza-for-anti-trust/27523
Actually --noname-- is pretty spot on with his description. I think if you look at Hangout vs Jazz Fest you see very little crossover except for New Orleans bands sometimes. There are always exceptions - I see the Avett Brothers are playing both - but do I think SCI will play Hangout - not a chance. If you want to read about it you should google "Lollapalooza & radius clauses" as the local promoters in Chicago really had a hard time with this in the past couple of years. Here is one: www.wbez.org/jderogatis/2010/06/breaking-illinois-attorney-general-investigating-lollapalooza-for-anti-trust/27523
Cool man, appreciate that read. Kinda answered some of the things I was wondering about.
Y'all see that confirm? See ya at Moon Taxi & Taxi Against the Machine!
A quick google search yielded plenty of forums where people are talking about shows they've seen leading up to, during, and after JazzFest. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but even this wordy answer is really really generic. Like he "deals with them on a regular basis" or the "few other factors". So, anyone have proof of this? Like any article from any year and any news paper that actually talks about a fest having one of these clauses? Cause, again, pretty much looks like fest fans are just making this up. Any newspaper. Any fest. I mean the guy on the last page swore there weren't any, so it's 1:1.
I really don't care whether you choose to believe me, so I won't go to great lengths to prove anything to you.... I enjoy my job and would prefer not to risk compromising it in anyway...
That said, I will clarify the statements you found to be "really generic"... 1. I deal with them on a regular basis means I review, amend, approve/decline, and make business decisions based on artist contracts, and thus I am very familiar with what is typically in them... It's my job, and it has been for several years. And I can tell you from my personal experience that the majority of contracts for 5+ figures with established promoters have radius clauses. Think about it, it's really not that crazy of a concept... People want insurance on most things that cost that much... This is one form of insurance for a promoter. 2. If you read beyond the words "a few other factors" you would have seen a few examples of the more common reasons why bands sometimes play multiple shows in the same vicinity in a short period of time.
I'm not going to argue about it. I wrote that "wordy" post because I thought maybe you would find it helpful. You are trying to call a standard practice in the live music industry a myth, and it's not. You might as well make the argument that there's no electricity running through power lines. If you genuinely want to research this, and no "a quick google search of other forums" does not count, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to point you in the direction of several credible resources.
Now we know how to offend this guy... Lol You were def arguing there, despite saying you weren't. Infinity pass did a pretty good job finding an article. How about ill PM you for those "credible sources" then I'll post them on the forum so everyone can see - which is exactly what I asked you to do in the first place...? If you have a source just post it for everyone to see and quit talking ab it...?
I really don't care whether you choose to believe me, so I won't go to great lengths to prove anything to you.... I enjoy my job and would prefer not to risk compromising it in anyway...
That said, I will clarify the statements you found to be "really generic"... 1. I deal with them on a regular basis means I review, amend, approve/decline, and make business decisions based on artist contracts, and thus I am very familiar with what is typically in them... It's my job, and it has been for several years. And I can tell you from my personal experience that the majority of contracts for 5+ figures with established promoters have radius clauses. Think about it, it's really not that crazy of a concept... People want insurance on most things that cost that much... This is one form of insurance for a promoter. 2. If you read beyond the words "a few other factors" you would have seen a few examples of the more common reasons why bands sometimes play multiple shows in the same vicinity in a short period of time.
I'm not going to argue about it. I wrote that "wordy" post because I thought maybe you would find it helpful. You are trying to call a standard practice in the live music industry a myth, and it's not. You might as well make the argument that there's no electricity running through power lines. If you genuinely want to research this, and no "a quick google search of other forums" does not count, feel free to PM me and I will be happy to point you in the direction of several credible resources.
Now we know how to offend this guy... Lol You were def arguing there, despite saying you weren't. Infinity pass did a pretty good job finding an article. How about ill PM you for those "credible sources" then I'll post them on the forum so everyone can see - which is exactly what I asked you to do in the first place...? If you have a source just post it for everyone to see and quit talking ab it...?
#noonebelievesyou
All good bud, not offended at all... It just sounded like my original post confused you a bit so I felt the need to clarify. If that is arguing, so be it.
As far as credible resources go, I was referring to the hundreds of credible websites (read: NOT forums) and books out there for people who want to learn about the music business- check out billboard.biz, pollstarpro.com, or even artistshousemusic.org... You can also check out amazon for tons of textbooks, or for something more reader friendly I recommend "Everything You Need To Know About The Music Business" - corny name, but it is both entertaining and informative.
I figured I would save other readers of this forum any more "wordy" posts (I found that funny, not offensive... this forum is full of posts that are full of words, I got a chuckle), but since you don't want to let this go, there's a start for ya. You are welcome to share anything I say with anyone, anywhere, anytime. I will not be giving out any sensitive information, like a contract, until you send me some sensitive info like your bank statement... Call me a liar all you want to, I don't care. And I have very little hangout related intel that you guys don't already know, so you would probably find it mildly entertaining at best.
Now back to the regularly scheduled Hangout Fest banter, or really anything other than this... Bring on the Rage Taxi.