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The lineup not being out isn't the problem. It's been the lack of communication. They literally have said nothing since a week ago.
Weren't they responding and replying to posts yesterday?
I really think if they would have just posted something on their main social media pages, something more recent then thanking everyone for the firstlook concert. A lot less people would be complaining right now. I know they've been responding to people's posts but you have to think more people go to the Facebook page, see no status updates and get more frustrated/angry.
Post by Farrisbueller on Jan 30, 2015 14:51:50 GMT -5
And the fact that they keep saying soon means the problem is liquid and will be completed in an unknown amount of time or else they wouldn't keep saying the same "soooooon" shit every day this week.
Edit: not like it hasn't been said for the umpteenth time or anything...
Remember that time Andre The Giant eliminated himself from the Royal Rumble by jumping over the top in fright after Jake Roberts threw his snake in the ring? The best Rumble performance I've ever seen was when Ric Flair, then new to the WWF, was one of the first contestants to enter and went the distance to win the vacant heavyweight championship.
Stone Cold sitting on the Turnbuckles counting down on his "watch" waiting to lay an ass whooping is one of my favorite Rumble Moments
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
Sorry everyone we had a few last minute hiccups so the lineup release has been delayed . We will release it next Friday at 12PM EST. We can't wait to see you all at The Woodlands.
Instead all we get is soon or maybe. Just give us a date it doesn't matter if it's next week or tomorrow. Also give everyone a heads up when tickets will go on sale so people can plan.
I'm sure they would love to give us a date if they could. Obviously something came up that was unexpected. They probably wish they could take back the lineup is coming next week, but they can't.
They are damned if they do, damned if they don't now, and I'm sure they are hoping it can be resolved this week so they can release it, and don't want to make anothe false promise.
They've handled the whole thing poorly, and I don't want to defend that, but I also find it hard to believe more than a handful of people won't go because of how they handled the lineup release. If the lineup is good people will go, if it sucks they won't.
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
No...
Red Frog is unprofessional because they don't deliver on what they say they're going to do, and have a history of terrible PR and boneheaded mistakes.
Sorry everyone we had a few last minute hiccups so the lineup release has been delayed . We will release it next Friday at 12PM EST. We can't wait to see you all at The Woodlands.
Instead all we get is soon or maybe. Just give us a date it doesn't matter if it's next week or tomorrow. Also give everyone a heads up when tickets will go on sale so people can plan.
So if they just said:
We're just working on a few more approvals and then we'll be releasing the lineup. Believe us, we want you to have the lineup as much you do.
Would that work? Because they did reply to posts with that specific reply. They aren't going to give a hard/firm date of when it will be released because obviously they don't know when they can release it. If they knew when they could release it (like just a press release holding them back) they'd let us know. It sounds like they are finalizing details before they can confirm stuff.
If they give a date and can't deliver (for whatever reason) then the shit really hits the fan. If they knew they could release it at a specific date/time I bet they would release that info. It seems more likely they are working on things and don't currently know when everything is 100% finished.
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
No...
Red Frog is unprofessional because they don't deliver on what they say they're going to do
If the lineup comes out today then they are delivering on what they said.
If it doesn't....then shit happens. Bonnaroo had this same issue a couple years ago and delayed the lineup release for about a week. We all freaked out but it's part of the business I guess. Things fall apart at the last minute and sometimes organizers must scramble to fix it.
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
The Coachella fanbase knows Goldenvoice and their tendencies. Most people on the Coachella board knew it was coming the day it dropped simply because it made sense based on their tendencies.
The Firefly fanbase also knows RedFrogs tendencies... Incompetence.
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
Either announcing when then hitting the date, or releasing without warning is fine in my opinion.
The Firefly fanbase also knows RedFrogs tendencies... Incompetence.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
legit curiosity here - do you guys think coachella is unprofessional or has terrible communication because they release their lineup without any warning or timing announcement?
The Coachella fanbase knows Goldenvoice and their tendencies. Most people on the Coachella board knew it was coming the day it dropped simply because it made sense based on their tendencies.
The Firefly fanbase also knows RedFrogs tendencies... Incompetence.
If this was the very first incident (or maybe even one of the first incidents) that Red Frog had run into PR-wise, of course I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I think a main component (and what the Inforoo posters have missed out on) is the already created, and often repeated cycle of PR issues the Red Frog has.
The Firefly fanbase also knows RedFrogs tendencies... Incompetence.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
Logistically they're not very good. They screwed up volunteering so bad last year that they completely scrapped the program all together this year. You can commit to 20 hours of work and get a pass for $139 - or you can work the entire fest. That's it.
The Firefly fanbase also knows RedFrogs tendencies... Incompetence.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
Just general incompetence. In hindsight saying it's PR issues really isn't fair to the other aspects they've botched; they've had problems with just about everything you could think of.
Their web forum speaks for itself; it's absolutely terrible.
They often (and last time I checked, still did for the 2014 lineup) appear to not edit things. Artists' names have been spelled wrong on posters/lineup pages.
They just sent out an email blast to everyone who's been to the festival with an incorrect date for their First Look event, and immediately had to send out another with a correction.
There was an issue with their webpage last year in that they didn't bother to make things secure, and we were able to ascertain nearly the entire lineup long before they'd planned on releasing it.
They spent weeks building up a "day of exciting announcements," which "flop" is too kind a word to use to describe. A good example of one of the announcements was that year-old merchandise in the online store was now discounted.
I could go on. The majority of this is just from the past year or so.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
Logistically they're not very good. They screwed up volunteering so bad last year that they completely scrapped the program all together this year. You can commit to 20 hours of work and get a pass for $139 - or you can work the entire fest. That's it.
They screwed up a volunteering program in the festivals 3rd year. They were probably still learning some things. Looking briefly at their Wiki page makes it seem like they don't do a lot of festivals so I'd cut them some slack. Bonnaroo just fixed some logistical problems that only took them 10 years to address.
The lineup release of a festival is tricky and maybe they shouldn't have said "next week" if they weren't certain they'd be ready but I still think people are overreacting.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
Just general incompetence. In hindsight saying it's PR issues really isn't fair to the other aspects they've botched; they've had problems with just about everything you could think of.
Their web forum speaks for itself; it's absolutely terrible.
They often (and last time I checked, still did for the 2014 lineup) appear to not edit things. Artists' names have been spelled wrong on posters/lineup pages.
They just sent out an email blast to everyone who's been to the festival with an incorrect date for their First Look event, and immediately had to send out another with a correction.
There was an issue with their webpage last year in that they didn't bother to make things secure, and we were able to ascertain nearly the entire lineup long before they'd planned on releasing it.
They spent weeks building up a "day of exciting announcements," which "flop" is too kind a word to use to describe. A good example of one of the announcements was that year-old merchandise in the online store was now discounted.
I could go on. The majority of this is just from the past year or so.
Cool.....that's more of what I was looking for, thanks. They definitely seem disorganized if this is all stuff that's only happened the last year.
What were Redfrog's tendencies/problems in the past? I genuinely don't know but would like more background info. Are they always delaying/vague with lineup releases?
Just general incompetence. In hindsight saying it's PR issues really isn't fair to the other aspects they've botched; they've had problems with just about everything you could think of.
Their web forum speaks for itself; it's absolutely terrible.
They often (and last time I checked, still did for the 2014 lineup) appear to not edit things. Artists' names have been spelled wrong on posters/lineup pages.
They just sent out an email blast to everyone who's been to the festival with an incorrect date for their First Look event, and immediately had to send out another with a correction.
There was an issue with their webpage last year in that they didn't bother to make things secure, and we were able to ascertain nearly the entire lineup long before they'd planned on releasing it.
They spent weeks building up a "day of exciting announcements," which "flop" is too kind a word to use to describe. A good example of one of the announcements was that year-old merchandise in the online store was now discounted.
I could go on. The majority of this is just from the past year or so.
Another, just because it's too good to not include.
They had a grand total of three water stations last year. Three.
People were very unhappy, and very vocal about the lack of water being a problem. This year, they remedied the problem by not putting the water locations on the 2015 map at all. Someone asked on the Facebook page if the locations were going to be on there, and Firefly basically said "we'll look into seeing if that's possible."
i was snowed out of work tuesday and wednesday and dug into this thread. Not going to Firefly but I enjoy festival talk and found this amusing. Back to work yesterday and kind of forgot about this; checked back in to see the lineup and a true LOL to see nothing yet and the path this whole thread has taken.