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I'm sure the local government just has some random problem with it. It surely has nothing at all to do with tax revenue, hidden under the guise of streamlining jurisdiction issues for emergency services.
#allstar
Who are you even responding to? I didn't see anyone say anything about a random problem - in fact I think everyone pretty much acknowledged that if it is a local gov holdup it's the zoning thing in the article - aka a money issue wrapped up as being about public safety. Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anyone post anything that said it was some random problem - and it seems to me you are just looking for any opportunity to be scornful and to use your little #allstar hashtag crap. That kind of negativity is really unnecessary
For whatever reason this is the accepted culture on these boards. There are about a half dozen or so longtime posters that will lurk until they see an opportunity to mock someone's comment. I don't get it but it is what it is.
Being a Dover local, I really don't believe this is (primarily) a money issue for the City. The vast majority of the Firefly land is already within Dover's city limits. The additional tax money they'll get from annexing the rest is minimal. Also, these same issues existed for last year's Firefly. And according to the newspaper article, everyone wants this change, including the property owner (Dover Downs). I can't see anyone letting something like that hold up the entire festival, especially since the annexation process is extremely slow. But here are some relevant passages from the article:
Dover city officials want to annex the land used for the Firefly Music Festival into the city to make it easier for first responders and organizers of the fast-growing music festival...
The plan is in the very beginning phases ... Currently the property – used for camping, music and soon Punkin Chunkin – is split between Kent County and Delaware's capital city [Dover].
The hope is to have the process completed in the coming months, but it likely won't happen before this year's Firefly Festival in June, she said.
Mike Tatoian, president of Dover International Speedway, said the annexation makes it easier for the organization to deal with the growing popularity of the event...
Cpl. Mark Hoffman, a spokesman for the Dover police, said the changes would make it easier for the city's police force, which patrols 80 to 90 percent of the festival grounds. The rest, including the main stage, is covered by the Delaware State Police.
I'm still leaning toward the lineup delay being some other issue.
Who are you even responding to? I didn't see anyone say anything about a random problem - in fact I think everyone pretty much acknowledged that if it is a local gov holdup it's the zoning thing in the article - aka a money issue wrapped up as being about public safety. Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anyone post anything that said it was some random problem - and it seems to me you are just looking for any opportunity to be scornful and to use your little #allstar hashtag crap. That kind of negativity is really unnecessary
For whatever reason this is the accepted culture on these boards. There are about a half dozen or so longtime posters that will lurk until they see an opportunity to mock someone's comment. I don't get it but it is what it is.
Just disregard what he has to say. I have a list of about 4 or 5 people that I just scroll past their comments when I'm catching up on threads. SFA being one of them.
Being a Dover local, I really don't believe this is (primarily) a money issue for the City. The vast majority of the Firefly land is already within Dover's city limits. The additional tax money they'll get from annexing the rest is minimal. Also, these same issues existed for last year's Firefly. And according to the newspaper article, everyone wants this change, including the property owner (Dover Downs). I can't see anyone letting something like that hold up the entire festival, especially since the annexation process is extremely slow. But here are some relevant passages from the article:
Dover city officials want to annex the land used for the Firefly Music Festival into the city to make it easier for first responders and organizers of the fast-growing music festival...
The plan is in the very beginning phases ... Currently the property – used for camping, music and soon Punkin Chunkin – is split between Kent County and Delaware's capital city [Dover].
The hope is to have the process completed in the coming months, but it likely won't happen before this year's Firefly Festival in June, she said.
Mike Tatoian, president of Dover International Speedway, said the annexation makes it easier for the organization to deal with the growing popularity of the event...
Cpl. Mark Hoffman, a spokesman for the Dover police, said the changes would make it easier for the city's police force, which patrols 80 to 90 percent of the festival grounds. The rest, including the main stage, is covered by the Delaware State Police.
I'm still leaning toward the lineup delay being some other issue.
I still think this is the cause for the delay based on the article. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure that this has been happening behind the scenes for a long time, and the only reason this surfaced was because of the promise to release the lineup this week, and I'm sure it's either a pissing contest or money grab on someone's part. From the article:
The rapid expansion of events on the grounds, owned by Dover International Speedway, has meant jurisdictional hangups and duplicate permitting processes for organizers and the city and county, officials said.
By annexing, city and speedway officials hope to streamline the process for the growing music festival that added $68 million to the regional economy last summer.
Mike Tatoian, president of Dover International Speedway, said the annexation makes it easier for the organization to deal with the growing popularity of the event, in addition to NASCAR races.
"We have dual parking permits and temporary structure permits that we apply for from both the city and county. This process will eliminate that duplicate process," he said. "It makes sense from a zoning perspective."
The process really came into focus after Red Frog signaled its intent to stay in Dover for the foreseeable future, Tatoian said.
For whatever reason this is the accepted culture on these boards. There are about a half dozen or so longtime posters that will lurk until they see an opportunity to mock someone's comment. I don't get it but it is what it is.
Just disregard what he has to say. I have a list of about 4 or 5 people that I just scroll past their comments when I'm catching up on threads. SFA being one of them.
I'll take this time to remind everyone that there is a "Block Member" a.k.a. "Ignore Member" feature on these boards that will let you hide posts from specific members if you don't feel like reading them. Even easier than just scrolling past them
Just disregard what he has to say. I have a list of about 4 or 5 people that I just scroll past their comments when I'm catching up on threads. SFA being one of them.
I'll take this time to remind everyone that there is a "Block Member" a.k.a. "Ignore Member" feature on these boards that will let you hide posts from specific members if you don't feel like reading them. Even easier than just scrolling past them
I'm sure the local government just has some random problem with it. It surely has nothing at all to do with tax revenue, hidden under the guise of streamlining jurisdiction issues for emergency services.
#allstar
Who are you even responding to? I didn't see anyone say anything about a random problem - in fact I think everyone pretty much acknowledged that if it is a local gov holdup it's the zoning thing in the article - aka a money issue wrapped up as being about public safety. Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anyone post anything that said it was some random problem - and it seems to me you are just looking for any opportunity to be scornful and to use your little #allstar hashtag crap. That kind of negativity is really unnecessary
Holy oversensitive Christ, if I'm addressing anyone in a post they'll know it. That was pretty straightforward sarcasm directed at whatever shenanigans the local government is up to. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you couldn't grasp that.
I'll make sure to write in a more strait forward manner going forward. It would be a Goddamn shame if I fucked up and came across as unnecessary negative.
I'll take this time to remind everyone that there is a "Block Member" a.k.a. "Ignore Member" feature on these boards that will let you hide posts from specific members if you don't feel like reading them. Even easier than just scrolling past them
Yea well, I keep trying to block you but it won't let us block mods. Rigged.
Can you not?
The block function tends to just piss me off more. I like to choose when I want to ignore people by scrolling. Plus, if it's someone that I really want to ignore, seeing them quoted in other people's posts just makes the whole thing seem futile.
Yea well, I keep trying to block you but it won't let us block mods. Rigged.
Can you not?
The block function tends to just piss me off more. I like to choose when I want to ignore people by scrolling. Plus, if it's someone that I really want to ignore, seeing them quoted in other people's posts just makes the whole thing seem futile.
If you want to ignore someone and you see their post quoted then just scroll past them like you like to do anyway
The block function tends to just piss me off more. I like to choose when I want to ignore people by scrolling. Plus, if it's someone that I really want to ignore, seeing them quoted in other people's posts just makes the whole thing seem futile.
If you want to ignore someone and you see their post quoted then just scroll past them like you like to do anyway
At that point I'm already cursing the mods under my breath.
Post by Shrove Tuesday on Jan 31, 2015 17:24:29 GMT -5
I think it's probably more the "who handles what" piece of it. The article mentioned an incident with responding to someone being injured and they weren't sure if county or city first responders should handle it. And also an arrest that was made and who should've booked the offender.
FF has so far been squeaky clean regarding serious incidents ( i.e large scale arrests, serious injury, deaths etc)so I'm sure they (local gov) want to make certain they have what it takes lined up to maintain that.
I think it's probably more the "who handles what" piece of it. The article mentioned an incident with responding to someone being injured and they weren't sure if county or city first responders should handle it. And also an arrest that was made and who should've booked the offender.
FF has so far been squeaky clean regarding serious incidents ( i.e large scale arrests, serious injury, deaths etc)so I'm sure they (local gov) want to make certain they have what it takes lined up to maintain that.
There is also some issues with utilities. Which would obviously be an interest to the long term goals of the festival.
Making an assumption here, but that could help with the water station issue that was being discussed earlier? At least for whatever is in those areas effected by the upgrades.
I think it's probably more the "who handles what" piece of it. The article mentioned an incident with responding to someone being injured and they weren't sure if county or city first responders should handle it. And also an arrest that was made and who should've booked the offender.
FF has so far been squeaky clean regarding serious incidents ( i.e large scale arrests, serious injury, deaths etc)so I'm sure they (local gov) want to make certain they have what it takes lined up to maintain that.
Agreed. And it really doesn't make sense for two different police departments to split jurisdiction for a major festival. It wasn't an issue the first year, when the entire festival was inside Dover limits. It was only as the festival grounds expanded to the north and east that the festival crossed over the city line (specifically the new main stage area and the north premier camping lot).
Making an assumption here, but that could help with the water station issue that was being discussed earlier? At least for whatever is in those areas effected by the upgrades.
They've been talking about adding permanent infrastructure ever since the Goldenvoice partnership and the long-term lease. I'd sure love some permanent bathrooms.
The weird thing about the water station issue: There were actually 4 water stations in 2013 for 65,000 people. There were only 3 water stations in 2014 for 80,000 people. My theory: The water stations are paid for by the "water" sponsor. In 2013, it was Klean Kanteen; in 2014 it was Camelbak.
Post by magicdance81 on Jan 31, 2015 18:04:36 GMT -5
As long as they are working to resolve issues that will contribute to the longevity of the festival and safety of all the attendees, I have no room to complain. As a DE native (now in Bmore), I have been blessed to have a quality festival this close to home.
Post by magicdance81 on Jan 31, 2015 19:02:44 GMT -5
Anyone want to share some random undercard hopefuls? The more random the better. I need some new music to listen to. Personally, I'd like to see the Felice Brothers again. And for even more random, Nada Surf?
Anyone want to share some random undercard hopefuls? The more random the better. I need some new music to listen to. Personally, I'd like to see the Felice Brothers again. And for even more random, Nada Surf?
Anyone want to share some random undercard hopefuls? The more random the better. I need some new music to listen to. Personally, I'd like to see the Felice Brothers again. And for even more random, Nada Surf?
Go listen to Coconut Records
. Jason Schwartzman. Good call. Already got it. Any chance for Murder by Death?
Just disregard what he has to say. I have a list of about 4 or 5 people that I just scroll past their comments when I'm catching up on threads. SFA being one of them.
I'll take this time to remind everyone that there is a "Block Member" a.k.a. "Ignore Member" feature on these boards that will let you hide posts from specific members if you don't feel like reading them. Even easier than just scrolling past them
Anyone want to share some random undercard hopefuls? The more random the better. I need some new music to listen to. Personally, I'd like to see the Felice Brothers again. And for even more random, Nada Surf?
If you have Spotify I would recommend checking out the inforoo mix. I have discovered quite a bit of new music just hitting the shuffle button. You can also feel free to put your own touch on it by adding songs yourself:
Post by Shrove Tuesday on Jan 31, 2015 19:28:01 GMT -5
Minus the bear. Their album menos el oso is amazing, not a bad song on it IMO. It'd be cool to see them again. Saw them a few years back and they put on a great show.
As Tall as Lions but they aren't together anymore which is just unfortunate. Everything they've done is amazing. Their self titled was phenomenal as was lafcadio
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 31, 2015 19:28:12 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear it's likely just a delay with the government, in which case it'll be handled in a timely and efficient manner. Having had to do permits for rental properties on a far smaller scale, I can say even the most basic of permits can be a major hassle. Time for Red Frog to start bribing some politicians.
Post by madeultrabonnafly on Jan 31, 2015 19:32:48 GMT -5
I hope the festival goes later into the night this year. Each year it has extended by an hour. It would be nice to not overlap the good Djs. Since it seems White Panda is going to be a resident at Firefly which I have no problem with... seen em six times, Firefly should let them close out Thursday night, since last year I believe thursday night ended at 11. I am sure they are allowed to end at Midnight.
I hope the festival goes later into the night this year. Each year it has extended by an hour. It would be nice to not overlap the good Djs. Since it seems White Panda is going to be a resident at Firefly which I have no problem with... seen em six times, Firefly should let them close out Thursday night, since last year I believe thursday night ended at 11. I am sure they are allowed to end at Midnight.
Yes, that's my biggest problem with Firefly. They give people like Weezer and Beck only one hour when they could easily play two if they stretched acts later into the night, instead of booking 25 indie pop bands that all sound the same so they can play 15 mins and take up so much space. Give me a smaller undercard and longer sets into the night. Last year they had Tegan and Sara, Beck, Sleigh Bells and Johnny Swim at the same time and I had to choose, obviously Beck.