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Meanwhile, Launchpad has said they're very similar, so the inside reports kind of seem to be conflicting
The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know. It's not hard to create a fairly accurate fake lineup when you already know the three headliners and can put some decent guesses on the bigger undercard names based on who's touring.
Yeah, but the 'fake' has already hit on acts that are actually *not* touring. If it was really so easy to put together a fake that hits on an average of 8 of 9 acts (as this one has so far) there would be a million fakes out there all boasting ~88% hit rates.
Whereas most 'really good' fakes historically do very well to hit on half.
Post by Farrisbueller on Feb 3, 2015 11:29:59 GMT -5
Does anyone have any inside info indicating that the annexing of land is really the hold up. Last year this same problem existed and the event still went on. I have my doubts that is the real hold up. The way redfrog referenced the problem was final approvals with an S. Could be nothing but it sounds to me like its more than one thing holding this thing up.
Does anyone have any inside info indicating that the annexing of land is really the hold up. Last year this same problem existed and the event still went on. I have my doubts that is the real hold up. The way redfrog referenced the problem was final approvals with an S. Could be nothing but it sounds to me like its more than one thing holding this thing up.
Sasquatch gets announced today - maybe there's someone high up on both lineups that will be touring too and that's the hold up.
Does anyone have any inside info indicating that the annexing of land is really the hold up. Last year this same problem existed and the event still went on. I have my doubts that is the real hold up. The way redfrog referenced the problem was final approvals with an S. Could be nothing but it sounds to me like its more than one thing holding this thing up.
I have no knowledge of this but I would assume there's scheduling conflicts; bands moving tour plans around, Firefly trying to get their house in order to make sure it all runs smoothly. Surely the locals know that this festival is good for the local economy and would do nothing to hinder Firefly returning in the short term.
Tomorrow there is a meeting "9:00 AM - 11:00 AM President's Counsel on Public/Private Partnerships and the Future of City Properties" It doesn't give any specifics but I'd venture to say this could have something to do with Firefly and the annexing proposal.
I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that reported zoning issue is holding up the lineup. Neither is dependent on the other for any reason.
The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know. It's not hard to create a fairly accurate fake lineup when you already know the three headliners and can put some decent guesses on the bigger undercard names based on who's touring.
Yeah, but the 'fake' has already hit on acts that are actually *not* touring. If it was really so easy to put together a fake that hits on an average of 8 of 9 acts (as this one has so far) there would be a million fakes out there all boasting ~88% hit rates.
Whereas most 'really good' fakes historically do very well to hit on half.
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One of the only two people on this board who has (historically nearly without fail) provided detailed and accurate inside information into a number of festivals, unambiguously declared it to be "way fake." Yes, there may be some similarities, it may have been put together by someone who had some info, but it's fake. Blatantly. There are large acts not on that poster who should be. There are large acts on that poster that shouldn't. There are some good guesses and some accurate things, but it's a fake.
Tomorrow there is a meeting "9:00 AM - 11:00 AM President's Counsel on Public/Private Partnerships and the Future of City Properties" It doesn't give any specifics but I'd venture to say this could have something to do with Firefly and the annexing proposal.
I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that reported zoning issue is holding up the lineup. Neither is dependent on the other for any reason.
Zoning is not the issue, Rory will eat his words, take that to the bank
No what's going to be sad is that Firefly is going to release the lineup and it's going to look like a Firefly lineup.
True. But to be fair, 2012 and 2013 had pretty solid lineups considering those were the first two years of the festival. They took a big step backward last year, but hopefully they can turn it around this year.
What's genuinely sad though is that after all this waiting, we are almost certainly then going to realize "oh, well, the fake was right. We knew all along." That's sad for me specifically because the leak doesn't match my fancies. But I guess it will be a little funny when that happens, too.
Yes, I saw that, but Launchpad said it was very close to the real one. So depends on which insider source you ask. We don't know yet which one of them is right. I know that Rory keeps saying it so easy to guess most of them, but didn't Launchpad say there were only like THREE total acts different from what he knew? Out of ninety or so...come on, that's gotta be better than a smidge of insider knowledge and good guessing skillz.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
No what's going to be sad is that Firefly is going to release the lineup and it's going to look like a Firefly lineup.
True. But to be fair, 2012 and 2013 had pretty solid lineups considering those were the first two years of the festival. They took a big step backward last year, but hopefully they can turn it around this year.
Sadly I'm not too confident considering the lineups at other festivals this year
Obviously this has not been the best rollout of a festival lineup, so I was thinking... What do you all think would be the absolute best way to announce a lineup? let's here some creative ideas.
Yeah, but the 'fake' has already hit on acts that are actually *not* touring. If it was really so easy to put together a fake that hits on an average of 8 of 9 acts (as this one has so far) there would be a million fakes out there all boasting ~88% hit rates.
Whereas most 'really good' fakes historically do very well to hit on half.
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One of the only two people on this board who has (historically nearly without fail) provided detailed and accurate inside information into a number of festivals, unambiguously declared it to be "way fake." Yes, there may be some similarities, it may have been put together by someone who had some info, but it's fake. Blatantly. There are large acts not on that poster who should be. There are large acts on that poster that shouldn't. There are some good guesses and some accurate things, but it's a fake.
I don't really think this can be definitively determined until we have a real poster for comparison.
Edit: Also, I don't think anyone at all is expecting the lineup to be 100% the same as what's on the leak, or even for the poster theme/style to be the same, so in that sense (if that's what you mean) of course it's a "fake." It has "SAMPLE" stamped across it in big red letters, FFS, haha. So of course no one's expecting that to be the *actual* graphic for the poster. So in that sense, at least, of course it's "way fake".
Yes, I saw that, but Launchpad said it was very close to the real one. So depends on which insider source you ask. We don't know yet which one of them is right. I know that Rory keeps saying it so easy to guess most of them, but didn't Launchpad say there were only like THREE total acts different from what he knew? Out of ninety or so...come on, that's gotta be better than a smidge of insider knowledge and good guessing skillz.
I honestly only heard 3 names that weren't on the leak.
My interpretation is that Launchpad knows of three artists who are supposedly playing but do not appear on the fake/"leak". He never said he knew the entire lineup. Additionally, what Launchpad said doesn't rule out the possibility that a handful of artists on the fake/"leak" were not actually booked (he never said how many acts were on the fake/"leak" that he didn't hear about).
Obviously this has not been the best rollout of a festival lineup, so I was thinking... What do you all think would be the absolute best way to announce a lineup? let's here some creative ideas.
The Bonnaroo 2014 one hour special last year blew me away. It made the event feel bigger than any other festival and the lineup delivered too.
When did I ever say anything about this moronic zoning issue?
I meant you would eat your words about the leaked lineup being a fake. I believe it will be 95%+ correct.
I think 95% is too high an expectation to set for it to be an early idea of what they may have been planning.
But if it hits on around 75% of the acts, I think it'll be quite clear that it was a leak of inside information. Even the best-informed, experienced person trying to guess a festival lineup would be extremely hard-pressed to hit on that many acts. I've been following this stuff for years for a number of different festivals, and I can't think of a single instance where someone made a fake that was anywhere near that accurate. If anyone knows of any, feel free to point me to them.
Obviously this has not been the best rollout of a festival lineup, so I was thinking... What do you all think would be the absolute best way to announce a lineup? let's here some creative ideas.
Stay far away from what Bonnaroo did this year. That was a god-awful way to announce the lineup.
Launchpad also said he heard the holdup wasn't line up related but they were having issues with the locals. That's the only reason I brought up the city council.
I meant you would eat your words about the leaked lineup being a fake. I believe it will be 95%+ correct.
I think 95% is too high an expectation to set for it to be an early idea of what they may have been planning.
But if it hits on around 75% of the acts, I think it'll be quite clear that it was a leak of inside information. Even the best-informed, experienced person trying to guess a festival lineup would be extremely hard-pressed to hit on that many acts. I've been following this stuff for years for a number of different festivals, and I can't think of a single instance where someone made a fake that was anywhere near that accurate.
Go take a look at some of the "wishlist" lineups people were posting in the Bonnaroo Headliner Thread this year. Some people were hitting 75%, easy, and that was before a ton of festivals announced so we had an idea of who would be touring and available. Especially the top 5-6 lines, that's pretty easy.
Agreed about this year's Roo announcement. Though the monotone voice saying "NO ROUTES FOUND" and then the subsequent tweets of "new fave band, No Routes Found, headlining this year!" did make me lol.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Eh, whatever. The dude who created that fake could come in here and be like "it's a fake, I knew some of the leaked names and made educated guesses at the rest" and people would still be like "BUT IT MIGHT BE REALZ!!!!1"
Obviously this has not been the best rollout of a festival lineup, so I was thinking... What do you all think would be the absolute best way to announce a lineup? let's here some creative ideas.
Stay far away from what Bonnaroo did this year. That was a god-awful way to announce the lineup.
I still don't think that was as bad as the "Let's announce bands one at a time at random intervals on MySpace" that Roo did in 2010. I think it took 8 hours to get all the bands finally announced.
I think 95% is too high an expectation to set for it to be an early idea of what they may have been planning.
But if it hits on around 75% of the acts, I think it'll be quite clear that it was a leak of inside information. Even the best-informed, experienced person trying to guess a festival lineup would be extremely hard-pressed to hit on that many acts. I've been following this stuff for years for a number of different festivals, and I can't think of a single instance where someone made a fake that was anywhere near that accurate.
Go take a look at some of the "wishlist" lineups people were posting in the Bonnaroo Headliner Thread this year. Some people were hitting 75%, easy, and that was before a ton of festivals announced so we had an idea of who would be touring and available. Especially the top 5-6 lines, that's pretty easy.
I gladly will, I'm just not entirely sure where they're posted; could you direct me to them?
And getting 75% acts right for an entire 100+ act festival lineup is ridiculously impressive, these people must really know their shit.