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His voice is flat and he's not a great R&B singer,
I'm tempted to say this is objectively untrue, but I think I'll just settle for pointing out that, based on his features and awards, the vast majority of his contemporaries seem to disagree.
Anybody else here not like Drake...like at all? Or am I a one man show strumming the banjo to an empty room? Just curious.
I guess my mastery of the English language is failing me.
Sure, if you don't like R&B, I can see not liking Drake. That's fine. But you have to live under an Olympic size rock to not realize that Drake hating is a thing.
But my real criticism is to the "I can't take him seriously because he played a disabled person on TV." That shit's just ridiculous.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Music wise he's one dimensional. Person wise he's an act not an artist.
These are my opinions and only my opinions. And honestly my opinion really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Im sure there's plenty of music I like that you completely detest. And that's OK, I won't get mad at you about it.
I guess my mastery of the English language is failing me.
Sure, if you don't like R&B, I can see not liking Drake. That's fine. But you have to live under an Olympic size rock to not realize that Drake hating is a thing.
But my real criticism is to the "I can't take him seriously because he played a disabled person on TV." That shit's just ridiculous.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Music wise he's one dimensional. Person wise he's an act not an artist.
These are my opinions and only my opinions. And honestly my opinion really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Im sure there's plenty of music I like that you completely detest. And that's OK, I won't get mad at you about it.
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
Music wise he's one dimensional. Person wise he's an act not an artist.
These are my opinions and only my opinions. And honestly my opinion really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Im sure there's plenty of music I like that you completely detest. And that's OK, I won't get mad at you about it.
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
I don't hate Drake. I think there are others that do what he does a bit better but I wouldn't say I hate him.
I agree with you that a lot of artists do have a stage persona. I think the struggle I have with him is more who he is. Yeah he doesn't rap about dealing drugs or gang stuff but ( and I'm only going off one doc I watched) he tries to say how tough his life was and I just don't buy into it.
He starred on a TV show for a good portion of his life so money was coming in and I just don't buy in that he grew up in "rough areas" of Toronto.
Again this is totally just my opinion. I respect the fact that people like him. Im not all "ew you like Drake, your music taste sucks" definitely don't want it coming across that way.
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
I don't hate Drake. I think there are others that do what he does a bit better but I wouldn't say I hate him.
I agree with you that a lot of artists do have a stage persona. I think the struggle I have with him is more who he is. Yeah he doesn't rap about dealing drugs or gang stuff but ( and I'm only going off one doc I watched) he tries to say how tough his life was and I just don't buy into it.
He starred on a TV show for a good portion of his life so money was coming in and I just don't buy in that he grew up in "rough areas" of Toronto.
Again this is totally just my opinion. I respect the fact that people like him. Im not all "ew you like Drake, your music taste sucks" definitely don't want it coming across that way.
I have no idea what Drake's life was like growing up, but I can add that Toronto has some rough areas. Like, legitimate hoods.
I don't hate Drake. I think there are others that do what he does a bit better but I wouldn't say I hate him.
I agree with you that a lot of artists do have a stage persona. I think the struggle I have with him is more who he is. Yeah he doesn't rap about dealing drugs or gang stuff but ( and I'm only going off one doc I watched) he tries to say how tough his life was and I just don't buy into it.
He starred on a TV show for a good portion of his life so money was coming in and I just don't buy in that he grew up in "rough areas" of Toronto.
Again this is totally just my opinion. I respect the fact that people like him. Im not all "ew you like Drake, your music taste sucks" definitely don't want it coming across that way.
I have no idea what Drake's life was like growing up, but I can add that Toronto has some rough areas. Like, legitimate hoods.
Name any big city, and you will find a "legitimate hood".
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
I don't hate Drake. I think there are others that do what he does a bit better but I wouldn't say I hate him.
I agree with you that a lot of artists do have a stage persona. I think the struggle I have with him is more who he is. Yeah he doesn't rap about dealing drugs or gang stuff but ( and I'm only going off one doc I watched) he tries to say how tough his life was and I just don't buy into it.
He starred on a TV show for a good portion of his life so money was coming in and I just don't buy in that he grew up in "rough areas" of Toronto.
Again this is totally just my opinion. I respect the fact that people like him. Im not all "ew you like Drake, your music taste sucks" definitely don't want it coming across that way.
Fair enough. I personally haven't heard him say any of that stuff but if he has then yeah I'll definitely agree with you that he most likely didn't have a super rough upbringing. That being said I do feel that through his music and videos/interview I've seen with him the struggle had growing up might have been more family issues that outside issues like living in a bad neighborhood or something. But if he did claim to grow up in rough areas of Toronto I'm not sure how much I'd buy into that. And I swear even though I'm sounding like it I'm definitely not a Drake stan or anything but I do think he just gets a lot of unnecessary hate because people percieve him as "soft" or something. But thanks for being rational and responding normally haha
Luckily, Drake won't be headlining firefly. I'm sure I'd have fun, but I'd rather have kings of Leon than drake just because some of KOLs early music is fantastic.
Post by madeultrabonnafly on Feb 5, 2015 15:19:33 GMT -5
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Post by Shrove Tuesday on Feb 5, 2015 15:21:55 GMT -5
I'm glad that everyone on this board really seems to appreciate other points of view (sans caaaaaarrrl) so I never want anything I say to come across like I'm being a "music elitist" because I'm waaaaay far from it.
I appreciate that we can have good conversations even about things we have differing opinions on.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Deadmau5 would be a headliner if he played FF so that's not happening.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Wait. Wait.
"or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven."
I just want to make sure that what you're saying here, is that if Firefly booked late-90's alt-rock band Smash Mouth, it's a win in your eyes? As long as they bring the vibrant tones of HEY NOW YOURE AND ALL STAR GET YOUR GAME ON GET PAIIIIIIIIIIID to the festival, they can commit no sin? This is what you're saying? The band once described as "what would happen if Limp Bizkit made love to a Lisa Frank poster?" This is what you want to see?
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
HEY NOW YOURE AND ALL STAR GET YOUR GAME ON GET PAIIIIIIIIIIID
It's "get your game on, go play." C'mon now. #amateurhour
I don't hate Drake. I think there are others that do what he does a bit better but I wouldn't say I hate him.
I agree with you that a lot of artists do have a stage persona. I think the struggle I have with him is more who he is. Yeah he doesn't rap about dealing drugs or gang stuff but ( and I'm only going off one doc I watched) he tries to say how tough his life was and I just don't buy into it.
He starred on a TV show for a good portion of his life so money was coming in and I just don't buy in that he grew up in "rough areas" of Toronto.
Again this is totally just my opinion. I respect the fact that people like him. Im not all "ew you like Drake, your music taste sucks" definitely don't want it coming across that way.
Fair enough. I personally haven't heard him say any of that stuff but if he has then yeah I'll definitely agree with you that he most likely didn't have a super rough upbringing. That being said I do feel that through his music and videos/interview I've seen with him the struggle had growing up might have been more family issues that outside issues like living in a bad neighborhood or something. But if he did claim to grow up in rough areas of Toronto I'm not sure how much I'd buy into that. And I swear even though I'm sounding like it I'm definitely not a Drake stan or anything but I do think he just gets a lot of unnecessary hate because people percieve him as "soft" or something. But thanks for being rational and responding normally haha
I just want to say that I agree that Drake does seem to be more true to himself than other rappers who dine out on the persona they've built for themselves. And I don't think you have to grow up in a ghetto to be a legitimate lyricist or even a decent rapper. Nor do I think that being a "soft" rapper is bad at all. If anything, we need "soft" rappers like Drake to offset all the "hard" ones out there.
It's just his lyrical content to me that makes his music hit or miss. More often than not, I find that his lyrics are an endless barrage of how he's "bodying" everyone in the game and is balling so hard. If it's not that, it's about a girl; either how he quacked her or isn't happy about how they left things. Drake just has a hard time, in my opinion, making songs that relate to the world outside of his own life. Kinda like, there's a wealth of shit going on around you, but you're only concerned about how clean your sneakers are.
I dislike Drake, but I'll admit it has more to do with the trajectory of his career and my deep seated hatred for Lil Wayne than the quality of his music. I watched Degrassi, so I know him as Jimmy and the scene where his shot is intense to say the least. I don't hold his actor past against him until he began claim he "started from the bottom". In fact when you look at his career the Houston scene took him in, helping him hone his craft and get his brand new record label off the ground. After So Far Gone's success, he became a sort of hip hop free agent. It was at this point he decided to sign with Lil Wayne and Birdman's Cash/Young Money rather than Jay-Z or P Diddy. This put Drake on the fast track to fame, but he had to sacrifice content. His first album on the label was alright (with a few jewels). The second was an absolute mess, just club bangers and no content. Finally on his third album he's regaining a voice apart from the Cash Money machine. /end rant
PS Drake's producer and childhood friend 40 is a genius. Don't want to take anything away from him.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Wait. Wait.
"or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven."
I just want to make sure that what you're saying here, is that if Firefly booked late-90's alt-rock band Smash Mouth, it's a win in your eyes? As long as they bring the vibrant tones of HEY NOW YOURE AND ALL STAR GET YOUR GAME ON GET PAIIIIIIIIIIID to the festival, they can commit no sin? This is what you're saying? The band once described as "what would happen if Limp Bizkit made love to a Lisa Frank poster?" This is what you want to see?
I dislike Drake, but I'll admit it has more to do with the trajectory of his career and my deep seated hatred for Lil Wayne than the quality of his music. I watched Degrassi, so I know him as Jimmy and the scene where his shot is intense to say the least. I don't hold his actor past against him until he began claim he "started from the bottom". In fact when you look at his career the Houston scene took him in, helping him hone his craft and get his brand new record label off the ground. After So Far Gone's success, he became a sort of hip hop free agent. It was at this point he decided to sign with Lil Wayne and Birdman's Cash/Young Money rather than Jay-Z or P Diddy. This put Drake on the fast track to fame, but he had sacrifice content. His first album on the label was alright (with a few jewels). The second was an absolute mess, just club bangers and no content. Finally on his third album he's regaining a voice apart from the Cash Money machine. /end rant
PS Drake's producer and childhood friend 40 is a genius. Don't want to take anything away from him.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Wait. Wait.
"or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven."
I just want to make sure that what you're saying here, is that if Firefly booked late-90's alt-rock band Smash Mouth, it's a win in your eyes? As long as they bring the vibrant tones of HEY NOW YOURE AND ALL STAR GET YOUR GAME ON GET PAIIIIIIIIIIID to the festival, they can commit no sin? This is what you're saying? The band once described as "what would happen if Limp Bizkit made love to a Lisa Frank poster?" This is what you want to see?
I would be into it. I imagine it'd be exactly like the end of Rat Race.
I hate everyday I check the firefly fb page and they r giving away tickets, that just means another day no lineup. If they announce a surprise and have the mau5 or a wild card smashmouth. That would be awesome n all would be forgiven.
Deadmau5 would be a headliner if he played FF so that's not happening.
Sugar Ray > Smashmouth
Last summer both played together on the boardwalk near me for $5... I didn't go but I imagine if I did I would know how people who went to concerts like Bowie/NIN, Jay Z/Eminem, Metallica/GNR must've felt.