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Post by Jeremy Jamm on Feb 5, 2015 19:25:37 GMT -5
I just can't write a tear jerking, heart warming entry. Since they don't give anything to those that are actually clever, I know I don't have a shot. I usually just put something random on there just so I can tell myself I tried.
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
And this is where I always run I to a problem when discussing hip hop with just about anyone. I can't stand the "well he's better than most other rappers out there" argument. Hip hop has devolved so greatly in the last 15 years it's almost unreal. Rappers like Drake and Kendrick don't even hold a candle to the brilliant old school hip hop artists like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Wu Tang, and Nas (only talking about Illmatic, really). These artists were not only vastly better at rhyming, but they also had much better wordplay, lyrics, and flow. This is all just my opinion, but I'll never understand why people choose to listen to today's rap, when there is a plethora of great hip hop music that came out in the 90's. Drake might be better than what's out there right now, but he isn't even close to the level that 90's hip hop was on.
I have to agree on this about the old school rappers. Big Daddy Kane was probably my favorite. I think you have to include Chuck D in that list though.
This is the exchange I was talking about on the fan page re: the delay and security. Again take it for what it's worth
CassieAlice Hastings It is the security. Basically they had more problems with security acting like assholes than the attendees. And by security I don't mean the crews near the gates or near camping entrances. I mean the ones on golf carts drinking and partying with people. Big barrel is not as large as FF yet. So the security plan already proposed is fine. They also have already had their layout meeting with dover downs and local contractors.
Adam Andrew Simply put, a certain British knight will be arriving. Said British knight requires a certain level of security prior to signing off on appearances. That level of security has yet to be met. 2 hrs · Like · 3
CassieAlice Hastings Would you want to be announced as an famous act without knowing how the security is going to be?
2 hrs · Like · 1
Tyler House Because it's an issue that could affect whether the festival happens or not, so until it is resolved they want to halt all progress 2 hrs · Like
CassieAlice Hastings It will be resolved. Just a matter of time and finding local agencies (cheaper) and the amount of local agencies in delaware are Nil 2 hrs · Like
So Dover is like two hours from DC and just over an hour from Baltimore and Philadelphia. Am I the only one that's not understanding how it would be so hard to find multiple security agencies? Also, how in the world could they possible wait this long to have all that worked out?
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking for constructive discussion. But what makes you say that music wise he's one dimensional. If anything, I think he's more well rounded than a lot of other rappers out there because he can sing and rap. He can do his own hooks and rap his own verses. He raps about a larger variety of subjects than many other rappers. And these are all entertainers how many musical artists do you think aren't acts? I think a large number of the most popular artists are probably portraying somebody other than who they really are. If anything I think drake is a bit more true to himself because he doesn't try to claim things like he sold drugs or banged on the streets or anything like that.
Again, not looking to be inflammatory just looking to have honest musical discussion on a music board.
And this is where I always run I to a problem when discussing hip hop with just about anyone. I can't stand the "well he's better than most other rappers out there" argument. Hip hop has devolved so greatly in the last 15 years it's almost unreal. Rappers like Drake and Kendrick don't even hold a candle to the brilliant old school hip hop artists like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Wu Tang, and Nas (only talking about Illmatic, really). These artists were not only vastly better at rhyming, but they also had much better wordplay, lyrics, and flow. This is all just my opinion, but I'll never understand why people choose to listen to today's rap, when there is a plethora of great hip hop music that came out in the 90's. Drake might be better than what's out there right now, but he isn't even close to the level that 90's hip hop was on.
This is the exchange I was talking about on the fan page re: the delay and security. Again take it for what it's worth
CassieAlice Hastings It is the security. Basically they had more problems with security acting like assholes than the attendees. And by security I don't mean the crews near the gates or near camping entrances. I mean the ones on golf carts drinking and partying with people. Big barrel is not as large as FF yet. So the security plan already proposed is fine. They also have already had their layout meeting with dover downs and local contractors.
Adam Andrew Simply put, a certain British knight will be arriving. Said British knight requires a certain level of security prior to signing off on appearances. That level of security has yet to be met. 2 hrs · Like · 3
CassieAlice Hastings Would you want to be announced as an famous act without knowing how the security is going to be?
2 hrs · Like · 1
Tyler House Because it's an issue that could affect whether the festival happens or not, so until it is resolved they want to halt all progress 2 hrs · Like
CassieAlice Hastings It will be resolved. Just a matter of time and finding local agencies (cheaper) and the amount of local agencies in delaware are Nil 2 hrs · Like
So Dover is like two hours from DC and just over an hour from Baltimore and Philadelphia. Am I the only one that's not understanding how it would be so hard to find multiple security agencies? Also, how in the world could they possible wait this long to have all that worked out?
Not so sure these people have a clue.
Yep definitely agree. Said something similar to that earlier. DE may not be big but we're surrounded by huge cities that are fully capable of "large scale projects"
I would imagine that things like security are also contracts that are signed in advance. You just don't decide to have a giant festival and not have all that lined up ahead of time.
Post by Jeremy Jamm on Feb 5, 2015 19:56:58 GMT -5
From what I understand, they didn't bring back whoever they used for security the first three years. Now, what they did as far as getting a replacement I have no idea. I would still be skeptical that is the hold up.
So Dover is like two hours from DC and just over an hour from Baltimore and Philadelphia. Am I the only one that's not understanding how it would be so hard to find multiple security agencies? Also, how in the world could they possible wait this long to have all that worked out?
Not so sure these people have a clue.
Yep definitely agree. Said something similar to that earlier. DE may not be big but we're surrounded by huge cities that are fully capable of "large scale projects"
I would imagine that things like security are also contracts that are signed in advance. You just don't decide to have a giant festival and not have all that lined up ahead of time.
The whole thing about the golf cart security people drinking and parting doesn't make sense either. Like Firefly would put together the whole lineup and be caught with their pants down when Sir Paul's reps called up.
Sir Paul's people: Hey chaps. I know the Lineup is out this week and all but we had one question. How is your security? Mr. McCartney insists on a certain level of it and we TOTALLY forgot to bring all this up during contract negotiations. hahahaha. Bloody hell, what a dilly.
Firefly: Well, to be honest..... The people at the gates and stuff are cool. It's the higher end security people that are likly to be out in the middle of the crowd tripping balls instead of doing their jobs.
Sir Paul's people: oooooooooooooh. That's not good. Why didn't you nullify any ongoing contracts and get to looking for another agency last Summer?
Firefly: Because???? Yeah, I'm going to be honest. We just kinda didn't think about it.
Sir Paul: Bloody Hell, Mate! Mr. McCartney will not be pleased with this. This simply will not stand.
Firefly: But the lineup comes out tomorrow?
Sir Paul's people: Bollocks to your lineup. Sir Paul is no midnight strumpet on Downing St!
Firefly: But we are in Delaware. We have no security because nobody has ever committed a crime within our boarders.
Sir Paul: Well hire someone in the fucking Capitol of your country!!!!
A few of my friends are angry about a lack of lineup because they are trying to make a choice between Firefly and the Radio 104.5 birthday show, for which tickets go on sale tomorrow. And still no Firefly lineup.
I just don't care anymore to be excited about a lineup. I'm still going because I live close enough but I'm sure they have lost out on many out-of-area attendees. At this point they don't deserve them.
A few of my friends are angry about a lack of lineup because they are trying to make a choice between Firefly and the Radio 104.5 birthday show, for which tickets go on sale tomorrow. And still no Firefly lineup.
I just don't care anymore to be excited about a lineup. I'm still going because I live close enough but I'm sure they have lost out on many out-of-area attendees. At this point they don't deserve them.
I did both last year and comparing the two is impossible. Firefly is just such a great experience and they usually have a couple bands that overlap on the lineups.
A few of my friends are angry about a lack of lineup because they are trying to make a choice between Firefly and the Radio 104.5 birthday show, for which tickets go on sale tomorrow. And still no Firefly lineup.
I just don't care anymore to be excited about a lineup. I'm still going because I live close enough but I'm sure they have lost out on many out-of-area attendees. At this point they don't deserve them.
I did both last year and comparing the two is impossible. Firefly is just such a great experience and they usually have a couple bands that overlap on the lineups.
I have a feeling the band overlap will be there again this year, and of course I'd choose Firefly over the birthday show. For my friends it's a matter of money and at this point they don't want to wait and risk the FF lineup being lame when they could see the bands they want at the b'day show for cheaper AND not have to deal with this lineup situation.
And this is where I always run I to a problem when discussing hip hop with just about anyone. I can't stand the "well he's better than most other rappers out there" argument. Hip hop has devolved so greatly in the last 15 years it's almost unreal. Rappers like Drake and Kendrick don't even hold a candle to the brilliant old school hip hop artists like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Wu Tang, and Nas (only talking about Illmatic, really). These artists were not only vastly better at rhyming, but they also had much better wordplay, lyrics, and flow. This is all just my opinion, but I'll never understand why people choose to listen to today's rap, when there is a plethora of great hip hop music that came out in the 90's. Drake might be better than what's out there right now, but he isn't even close to the level that 90's hip hop was on.
While I don't disagree with what you're saying, using Kendrick as an example is no Bueno.
Sing about me, I'm Dying of thirst Black Boy Fly Rigamortis Growing Apart (to get closer) I (Live SNL performance) Untitled (Live Colbert Report performance) HiiPower Ronald Reagan Era Swimming Pools (extended album version. Actually listen to what is being said, instead of just assuming the song is ignant) Fuck your ethnicity
Take a little free time and check out some of these songs. Especially the first three listed. I think your opinion on Kendrick will change.
I did both last year and comparing the two is impossible. Firefly is just such a great experience and they usually have a couple bands that overlap on the lineups.
I have a feeling the band overlap will be there again this year, and of course I'd choose Firefly over the birthday show. For my friends it's a matter of money and at this point they don't want to wait and risk the FF lineup being lame when they could see the bands they want at the b'day show for cheaper AND not have to deal with this lineup situation.
the birthday show is so cheap! got lawn tix for $10.45 today
Yep definitely agree. Said something similar to that earlier. DE may not be big but we're surrounded by huge cities that are fully capable of "large scale projects"
I would imagine that things like security are also contracts that are signed in advance. You just don't decide to have a giant festival and not have all that lined up ahead of time.
The whole thing about the golf cart security people drinking and parting doesn't make sense either. Like Firefly would put together the whole lineup and be caught with their pants down when Sir Paul's reps called up.
Sir Paul's people: Hey chaps. I know the Lineup is out next week and all but we had one question. How is your security? Mr. McCartney insists on a certain level of it and we TOTALLY forgot to bring all this up during contract negotiations. hahahaha. Bloody hell, what a dilly.
Firefly: Well, to be honest..... The people at the gates and stuff are cool. It's the higher end security people that are likly to be out in the middle of the crowd tripping balls instead of doing their jobs.
Sir Paul's people: oooooooooooooh. That's not good. Why didn't you nullify any ongoing contracts and get to looking for another agency last Summer?
Firefly: Because???? Yeah, I'm going to be honest. We just kinda didn't think about it.
Sir Paul: Bloody Hell, Mate! Mr. McCartney will not be pleased with this. This simply will not stand.
Firefly: But the lineup comes out tomorrow?
Sir Paul's people: Bollocks to your lineup. Sir Paul is no midnight strumpet on Downing St!
Firefly: But we are in Delaware. We have no security because nobody has ever committed a crime within our boarders.
Sir Paul: Well hire someone in the fucking Capitol of your country!!!!
I have a feeling the band overlap will be there again this year, and of course I'd choose Firefly over the birthday show. For my friends it's a matter of money and at this point they don't want to wait and risk the FF lineup being lame when they could see the bands they want at the b'day show for cheaper AND not have to deal with this lineup situation.
the birthday show is so cheap! got lawn tix for $10.45 today
I didn't realize they were that cheap! I'm planning on getting lawn tix anyway because even though there could be some overlap I don't think Of Monsters and Men won't be at Firefly because they are overseas. As a side note, I also liked how they rolled out their lineup announcing a band each hour.
And this is where I always run I to a problem when discussing hip hop with just about anyone. I can't stand the "well he's better than most other rappers out there" argument. Hip hop has devolved so greatly in the last 15 years it's almost unreal. Rappers like Drake and Kendrick don't even hold a candle to the brilliant old school hip hop artists like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Wu Tang, and Nas (only talking about Illmatic, really). These artists were not only vastly better at rhyming, but they also had much better wordplay, lyrics, and flow. This is all just my opinion, but I'll never understand why people choose to listen to today's rap, when there is a plethora of great hip hop music that came out in the 90's. Drake might be better than what's out there right now, but he isn't even close to the level that 90's hip hop was on.
While I don't disagree with what you're saying, using Kendrick as an example is no Bueno.
Sing about me, I'm Dying of thirst Black Boy Fly Rigamortis Growing Apart (to get closer) I (Live SNL performance) Untitled (Live Colbert Report performance) HiiPower Ronald Reagan Era Swimming Pools (extended album version. Actually listen to what is being said, instead of just assuming the song is ignant) Fuck your ethnicity
Take a little free time and check out some of these songs. Especially the first three listed. I think your opinion on Kendrick will change.
Was hesitant to get involved in this whole side conversation, but yeah, I agree with this. Kendrick is on a different level.
Post by Farrisbueller on Feb 5, 2015 20:51:52 GMT -5
We still have just as good of an idea when this things coming out, much less what the holdup is in the first place. It's gotta be pretty juicy for it to be in such limbo though. I have a feeling that even when they know when it will be ready, that might still require a week or two of waiting
I, and the crowd around me, enjoyed every part of Kanye's set. I didn't find the rants to be distracting or annoying. I would have liked more of a show, but it's not a Yeezus show so I was fine with it. I had fun singing every line of every song he went through and I look forward to seeing him again at some point.
I too wanna see him in concert again. I was just soured by the Roo performance when i was excited to see him
Exactly. For everyone saying "you just heard what you wanted to hear," I think it is of note that I'm actually a huge fan of Kanye's music and was so excited to see him at Roo. With that in mind, I was still very disappointed in what transpired. His performance was shitty to me. That's my opinion.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
A few of my friends are angry about a lack of lineup because they are trying to make a choice between Firefly and the Radio 104.5 birthday show, for which tickets go on sale tomorrow. And still no Firefly lineup.
I just don't care anymore to be excited about a lineup. I'm still going because I live close enough but I'm sure they have lost out on many out-of-area attendees. At this point they don't deserve them.
why would the bday show make a difference? its costs like 25-20$ for good seats
the birthday show is so cheap! got lawn tix for $10.45 today
I didn't realize they were that cheap! I'm planning on getting lawn tix anyway because even though there could be some overlap I don't think Of Monsters and Men won't be at Firefly because they are overseas. As a side note, I also liked how they rolled out their lineup announcing a band each hour.
I think The 10.45 was only if you used the password they gave out but they already sold out of those. But the regular price isn't terrible either. Think it's 34 for lawn which for that many bands it still pretty awesome.
While I don't disagree with what you're saying, using Kendrick as an example is no Bueno.
Sing about me, I'm Dying of thirst Black Boy Fly Rigamortis Growing Apart (to get closer) I (Live SNL performance) Untitled (Live Colbert Report performance) HiiPower Ronald Reagan Era Swimming Pools (extended album version. Actually listen to what is being said, instead of just assuming the song is ignant) Fuck your ethnicity
Take a little free time and check out some of these songs. Especially the first three listed. I think your opinion on Kendrick will change.
Was hesitant to get involved in this whole side conversation, but yeah, I agree with this. Kendrick is on a different level.
Also just the whole discounting of a whole era of music as "garbage" is pretty ridiculous. There's definitely amazingly lyrical and complex rappers out there today with real messages and good songs. All music evolves over time. That's what makes it so great and popular. If rock/rap/any type of music never evolved people wouldn't keep listening to it. The best artists are those who continue to push boundaries and reinvent the genre while still maintaining solid lyricism and staying sound musically. All eras and genres of music have great and not so great artists/songs/movements to it.
A few of my friends are angry about a lack of lineup because they are trying to make a choice between Firefly and the Radio 104.5 birthday show, for which tickets go on sale tomorrow. And still no Firefly lineup.
I just don't care anymore to be excited about a lineup. I'm still going because I live close enough but I'm sure they have lost out on many out-of-area attendees. At this point they don't deserve them.
why would the bday show make a difference? its costs like 25-20$
Because if they see who they want to at the birthday show and the FF lineup sucks but also has the bands they want to see, why pay $300+ to go to Firefly when they could see them for ~$80 (good seats). It's cost on Firefly's part, not 104.5's. It's more frustration about the lineup than anything.
I didn't realize they were that cheap! I'm planning on getting lawn tix anyway because even though there could be some overlap I don't think Of Monsters and Men won't be at Firefly because they are overseas. As a side note, I also liked how they rolled out their lineup announcing a band each hour.
I think The 10.45 was only if you used the password they gave out but they already sold out of those. But the regular price isn't terrible either. Think it's 34 for lawn which for that many bands it still pretty awesome.
I guess I missed the boat on those, but it is $34 which isn't too bad at all for the lineup.
Post by earthrocker on Feb 5, 2015 21:15:49 GMT -5
Why do peeps need to make a decision now when the festival is still a full 130 days out? I understand the frustration of being told the lineup will be out soon and then didn't happen but I doubt firefly are losing too many tickets sold with this lineup delay.
Why do peeps need to make a decision now when the festival is still a full 130 days out? I understand the frustration of being told the lineup will be out soon and then didn't happen but I doubt firefly are losing too many tickets sold with this lineup delay.
They're pissing people off and people may choose to spend their cash on another festival/concert that already has more than five confirmed acts.