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Is the undercard that weak, or would you just not be going for other reasons?
Has nothing to do with the lineup. I'm just not a fan of the atmosphere. Too many kids getting drunk and acting stupid. I thought the lineup and performances last year were brilliant. But when an 18 year old girl is throwing up 3 feet behind you, it's kind of hard to enjoy Pretty Lights.
Sorry to hear you didn't have a great experience with the atmosphere. It's definitely a bigger college party scene than Roo, but I guess I lucked out in 2013 and didn't have any negative experiences with the crowds or my camping neighbors. Glad to hear it had nothing to do with the lineup.
Post by Jeremy Jamm on Jan 14, 2015 17:44:28 GMT -5
Yikes! I'll say I certainly saw a lot of teenage "bros" especially when I was in line to check-in on Thursday. Aside from that, I never experienced anything that was off-putting. Everyone was friendly and cool. That said, I've never been to Bonnaroo or Coachella so I've never experienced anything to compare it to. I would imagine there would have to be drunken idiots at every festival though.
Is the undercard that weak, or would you just not be going for other reasons?
Has nothing to do with the lineup. I'm just not a fan of the atmosphere. Too many kids getting drunk and acting stupid. I thought the lineup and performances last year were great. But when an 18 year old girl is throwing up 3 feet behind you, it's kind of hard to enjoy Pretty Lights. A Paul McCartney set would get me back there for a day though.
Always find someone near me doing this at Alpine. Every. Damn. Time.
Is the undercard that weak, or would you just not be going for other reasons?
Has nothing to do with the lineup. I'm just not a fan of the atmosphere. Too many kids getting drunk and acting stupid. I thought the lineup and performances last year were great. But when an 18 year old girl is throwing up 3 feet behind you, it's kind of hard to enjoy Pretty Lights. A Paul McCartney set would get me back there for a day though.
That sucks Im sorry you had to experience that. Now I feel a bit bummed because I am one of those college kids that drank at that fest and I'd like to think I represented my demographic well. Its just unfortunate not everyone is as respectful of themselves or their fellow concert goers. Do people not drink at Roo? I was planning on going to Roo this year and the way people call this fest a frat fest just because people drink makes me feel like its going to be weird if Im playing drinking games with my campmates at Roo. My experience while at Firefly wasn't really fratty in my eyes, although it did feel like a college fest. But I believe those are two entirely different vibes so I just don't see how it gets that reputation...and then you read things like this haha
Has nothing to do with the lineup. I'm just not a fan of the atmosphere. Too many kids getting drunk and acting stupid. I thought the lineup and performances last year were great. But when an 18 year old girl is throwing up 3 feet behind you, it's kind of hard to enjoy Pretty Lights. A Paul McCartney set would get me back there for a day though.
That sucks Im sorry you had to experience that. Now I feel a bit bummed because I am one of those college kids that drank at that fest and I'd like to think I represented my demographic well. Its just unfortunate not everyone is as respectful of themselves or their fellow concert goers. Do people not drink at Roo? I was planning on going to Roo this year and the way people call this fest a frat fest just because people drink makes me feel like its going to be weird if Im playing drinking games with my campmates at Roo. My experience while at Firefly wasn't really fratty in my eyes, although it did feel like a college fest. But I believe those are two entirely different vibes so I just don't see how it gets that reputation...and then you read things like this haha
People definitely drink and play beer games at roo as well. I'm glad you had fun at Firefly and I hope everyone who attends this coming year has a great time as well.
That sucks Im sorry you had to experience that. Now I feel a bit bummed because I am one of those college kids that drank at that fest and I'd like to think I represented my demographic well. Its just unfortunate not everyone is as respectful of themselves or their fellow concert goers. Do people not drink at Roo? I was planning on going to Roo this year and the way people call this fest a frat fest just because people drink makes me feel like its going to be weird if Im playing drinking games with my campmates at Roo. My experience while at Firefly wasn't really fratty in my eyes, although it did feel like a college fest. But I believe those are two entirely different vibes so I just don't see how it gets that reputation...and then you read things like this haha
People definitely drink and play beer games at roo as well. I'm glad you had fun at Firefly and I hope everyone who attends this coming year has a great time as well.
What can we expect for the second line? Will it be the likes of Incubus, Modest Mouse, the Offspring, and Robert Plant?
Please God no Incubus.
Also, I don't know how much money you think Firefly has. But there is no way Firefly gets MM or Plant.
Huh? You think they can't afford Modest Mouse or Robert Plant? Modest Mouse was billed 7th at Firefly in 2012. Also, last year Firefly had Imagine Dragons, Beck, Pretty Lights, The Lumineers, Arctic Monkeys, Weezer as top 10 undercard acts.
I think Plant is too big of a name for the second line, but the other three would be killer.
Robert Plant is not big enough to headline Firefly. He was billed 4th at Forecastle two years ago, behind The String Cheese Incident and The Avett Brothers.
Is the undercard that weak, or would you just not be going for other reasons?
Has nothing to do with the lineup. I'm just not a fan of the atmosphere. Too many kids getting drunk and acting stupid. I thought the lineup and performances last year were great. But when an 18 year old girl is throwing up 3 feet behind you, it's kind of hard to enjoy Pretty Lights. A Paul McCartney set would get me back there for a day though.
this made my chuckle because in 2013 i had to escort a 23 year old friend to the portapotties during pretty lights and she threw up on my feet. youre gonna get that person eat any festival...
Also, I don't know how much money you think Firefly has. But there is no way Firefly gets MM or Plant.
Huh? You think they can't afford Modest Mouse or Robert Plant? Modest Mouse was billed 7th at Firefly in 2012. Also, last year Firefly had Imagine Dragons, Beck, Pretty Lights, The Lumineers, Arctic Monkeys, Weezer as top 10 undercard acts.
I'm wouldn't bank on that deep of a top 10 this year.
It's going to be a very top heavy lineup this year. They threw down an obscene amount of money to get Paul.
Any news on Bleachers or Twenty One Pilots making a return? They were my two favorite under cards from last year.
I'm praying they stay away. 21 Pilots seems to follow me to every festival I go to. The worst part is I get inevitably dragged there by friends every time. Yes they have a lot of energy, but their actual music is eh at best. In no way do they warrant a third consecutive year on the bill, and for my money I'd rather see a FF newcomer. if people really like them that much they can go see them on tour.
I think Firefly will have the budget for some big undercard acts. I can see firefly just getting a big group, maybe not as strong as 2013 but at the level of 2014.
It's going to be a very top heavy lineup this year. They threw down an obscene amount of money to get Paul.
Any news on Bleachers or Twenty One Pilots making a return? They were my two favorite under cards from last year.
I'm going to guess no on both bands. Twenty One Pilots played 2013 and 2014, so I can't see them coming back for a third straight year. Regarding Bleachers, their album performed pretty well on the Billboard charts, but considering their billing at Roo, it doesn't look like their popularity has increased enough to warrant an invite back.
Huh? You think they can't afford Modest Mouse or Robert Plant? Modest Mouse was billed 7th at Firefly in 2012. Also, last year Firefly had Imagine Dragons, Beck, Pretty Lights, The Lumineers, Arctic Monkeys, Weezer as top 10 undercard acts.
I'm wouldn't bank on that deep of a top 10 this year.
Eh, it's not like Modest Mouse costs a ton of money to book. Not sure about Robert Plant, but I don't imagine he's that expensive either. It's also worth noting that last year's top 4 wasn't exactly cheap either. All four probably cost at least $500k each.
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 14, 2015 20:10:07 GMT -5
This is actually an interesting read for anyone to get an idea of the cost to book a lot of bands. It's missing a lot of major ones, but has some that might be available for Firefly:
I'm wouldn't bank on that deep of a top 10 this year.
Eh, it's not like Modest Mouse costs a ton of money to book. Not sure about Robert Plant, but I don't imagine he's that expensive either. It's also worth noting that last year's top 4 wasn't exactly cheap either. All four probably cost at least $500k each.
Paul's booking fee is reportedly between 3-4 million, so I can definitely see why launchpad thinks the lineup will be top heavy.
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 14, 2015 20:24:12 GMT -5
Realistically, when's all said and done, between tickets, camping, food/beer, merch etc. everyone attending any festival spends at least $500, if not a whole lot more with VIP, premiere camping etc. The quick math for 80,000 people is $40,000,000.
Granted, the overhead expenses are huge between booking costs, staffing, equipment etc., but that leaves plenty of money to spend on an undercard. Like any business, it's just a matter of the cost/benefit to have a ton of big names. Firefly is still a young enough festival where I think they realize they can't be too thrifty with the budget.
Realistically, when's all said and done, between tickets, camping, food/beer, merch etc. everyone attending any festival spends at least $500, if not a whole lot more with VIP, premiere camping etc. The quick math for 80,000 people is $40,000,000.
Granted, the overhead expenses are huge between booking costs, staffing, equipment etc., but that leaves plenty of money to spend on an undercard. Like any business, it's just a matter of the cost/benefit to have a ton of big names. Firefly is still a young enough festival where I think they realize they can't be too thrifty with the budget.
Last year FF had a mediocre lineup, and they're shooting for two weekends in 2016. The only way they make that leap is a massive lineup this year. Like you said, there's a ton of overheard costs but if they go overboard on this year's lineup and make less than average net profit, it'll set them up to cash in in a big time way for the foreseeable future.
Realistically, when's all said and done, between tickets, camping, food/beer, merch etc. everyone attending any festival spends at least $500, if not a whole lot more with VIP, premiere camping etc. The quick math for 80,000 people is $40,000,000.
Granted, the overhead expenses are huge between booking costs, staffing, equipment etc., but that leaves plenty of money to spend on an undercard. Like any business, it's just a matter of the cost/benefit to have a ton of big names. Firefly is still a young enough festival where I think they realize they can't be too thrifty with the budget.
Last year FF had a mediocre lineup, and they're shooting for two weekends in 2016. The only way they make that leap is a massive lineup this year. Like you said, there's a ton of overheard costs but if they go overboard on this year's lineup and make less than average net profit, it'll set them up to cash in in a big time way for the foreseeable future.
not 100% sure, but i think the two weekends thing includes the big barrel festival
Realistically, when's all said and done, between tickets, camping, food/beer, merch etc. everyone attending any festival spends at least $500, if not a whole lot more with VIP, premiere camping etc. The quick math for 80,000 people is $40,000,000.
Granted, the overhead expenses are huge between booking costs, staffing, equipment etc., but that leaves plenty of money to spend on an undercard. Like any business, it's just a matter of the cost/benefit to have a ton of big names. Firefly is still a young enough festival where I think they realize they can't be too thrifty with the budget.
Last year FF had a mediocre lineup, and they're shooting for two weekends in 2016. The only way they make that leap is a massive lineup this year. Like you said, there's a ton of overheard costs but if they go overboard on this year's lineup and make less than average net profit, it'll set them up to cash in in a big time way for the foreseeable future.
I agree. I feel like this year is an investment in the future of the festival because two weekends in the future makes that $80,000,000, but equally important to consider is that the overhead goes down dramatically because the stages/vendors are all in place and the booking costs for bands goes down.
]Sir Paul - The Killers - KoL - Skrillex - Foster the People - Snoop Dog - Noel Gallagher - Passion Pit - Tame Impala - Run the Jewels - Ratatat -
Noel Gallagher will be in Germany that weekend, so he and his High Flying Birds are out. I'm crossing my fingers they don't book Foster the People again. Firefly just had them in 2013 and they played a couple of songs from the new album, so their setlist wouldn't be very different (then again, neither will The Killers' setlist). Lorde is supposedly expected to play at least one U.S. festival in June, and considering that neither Gov Ball nor Roo has booked her, I would expect her for Firefly (maybe substitute her for Foster). I think we have a good chance of seeing the rest.
]Sir Paul - The Killers - KoL - Skrillex - Foster the People - Snoop Dog - Noel Gallagher - Passion Pit - Tame Impala - Run the Jewels - Ratatat -
Noel Gallagher will be in Germany that weekend, so he and his High Flying Birds are out. I'm crossing my fingers they don't book Foster the People again. Firefly just had them in 2013 and they played a couple of songs from the new album, so their setlist wouldn't be very different (then again, neither will The Killers' setlist). Lorde is supposedly expected to play at least one U.S. festival in June, and considering that neither Gov Ball nor Roo has booked her, I would expect her for Firefly (maybe substitute her for Foster). I think we have a good chance of seeing the rest.
I didn't know he would be in Germany. Maybe Modest Mouse instead?
Last year FF had a mediocre lineup, and they're shooting for two weekends in 2016. The only way they make that leap is a massive lineup this year. Like you said, there's a ton of overheard costs but if they go overboard on this year's lineup and make less than average net profit, it'll set them up to cash in in a big time way for the foreseeable future.
not 100% sure, but i think the two weekends thing includes the big barrel festival
Really? Very interesting if true. I interpreted it otherwise.
Noel Gallagher will be in Germany that weekend, so he and his High Flying Birds are out. I'm crossing my fingers they don't book Foster the People again. Firefly just had them in 2013 and they played a couple of songs from the new album, so their setlist wouldn't be very different (then again, neither will The Killers' setlist). Lorde is supposedly expected to play at least one U.S. festival in June, and considering that neither Gov Ball nor Roo has booked her, I would expect her for Firefly (maybe substitute her for Foster). I think we have a good chance of seeing the rest.
I didn't know he would be in Germany. Maybe Modest Mouse instead?
Yeah, I'm thinking either Death Cab, Modest Mouse, or Alabama Shakes for that spot.
Noel Gallagher will be in Germany that weekend, so he and his High Flying Birds are out. I'm crossing my fingers they don't book Foster the People again. Firefly just had them in 2013 and they played a couple of songs from the new album, so their setlist wouldn't be very different (then again, neither will The Killers' setlist). Lorde is supposedly expected to play at least one U.S. festival in June, and considering that neither Gov Ball nor Roo has booked her, I would expect her for Firefly (maybe substitute her for Foster). I think we have a good chance of seeing the rest.
I didn't know he would be in Germany. Maybe Modest Mouse instead?
I can't imagine them bringing FTP back. In 2013 a good majority of the crowd left instead of seeing their closing set.