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Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 23, 2015 9:16:48 GMT -5
There is no strategic business advantage to delaying the release of the lineup until February. I'm not implying they are even touching the top four lines of the lineup, but Firefly doesn't have the luxury of selling out in a couple hours like Coachella, who it's pretty clear they're trying to emulate with two weekends in a few years. All I'm saying is the 5% they haven't booked impacts many people's purchasing decision between Firefly and Gov. Ball.
Gov. Ball is four hours closer to me, but the undercard is what makes or breaks most lineups. To say knowing Gov. Balls undercard isn't a slight advantage is disingenuous, but yes, I understand no dramatic last minute changes are being made. Every festival makes last minute additions, some larger names than others.
Sasquatch is announcing February 3rd and that's a Memorial Day weekend festival so the lineup isn't 'late'. I think we'll see Firefly's lineup that week as well which would coincide with the early February date they've stated.
This is what really infuriates me when you see all these idiots on social media bitching about the Firefly lineup not having been released yet. The 2013 lineup wasn't released until mid-February, and with this year's lineup scheduled to be released in early February, last year's lineup release is looking more and more like an anomaly. There are people claiming that Firefly is "literally the last festival to announce it's lineup", but they completely ignore the fact that most, if not all of the lineups that have been released are for festivals that take place before Firefly.
There is no strategic business advantage to delaying the release of the lineup until February. I'm not implying they are even touching the top four lines of the lineup, but Firefly doesn't have the luxury of selling out in a couple hours like Coachella, who it's pretty clear they're trying to emulate with two weekends in a few years. All I'm saying is the 5% they haven't booked impacts many people's purchasing decision between Firefly and Gov. Ball.
Gov. Ball is four hours closer to me, but the undercard is what makes or breaks most lineups. To say knowing Gov. Balls undercard isn't a slight advantage is disingenuous, but yes, I understand no dramatic last minute changes are being made. Every festival makes last minute additions, some larger names than others.
Certainly there's an advantage - January is so beset by lineup releases that fatigue sets in. They all blend together. They're going to sell enough tickets, and they're positioning themselves to step into the position of premier camping festival on the East Coast. Rather than try and cram another lineup release into a month that saw Coachella, Hangout, Governor's Ball, Jazz Fest, Bonnaroo, Shaky Knees, and others release lineups, they'll have headlines all to themselves come February.
I'm sure Firefly was satisfied with the amount of presale tickets they sold and they do have an established market now. They've grown a ton from 30K in 2012 to 65K in 2013 to 80K in 2014. Throw Paul McCartney at the top of the lineup and it's reasonable they don't even sell single days this year and strictly 4 day passes. They have a great location that's within 3 hours from several big cities (DC, Philly, Baltimore, NYC).
They want to put out the complete product at once and continue to establish itself as a top festival.
There is no strategic business advantage to delaying the release of the lineup until February. I'm not implying they are even touching the top four lines of the lineup, but Firefly doesn't have the luxury of selling out in a couple hours like Coachella, who it's pretty clear they're trying to emulate with two weekends in a few years. All I'm saying is the 5% they haven't booked impacts many people's purchasing decision between Firefly and Gov. Ball.
Gov. Ball is four hours closer to me, but the undercard is what makes or breaks most lineups. To say knowing Gov. Balls undercard isn't a slight advantage is disingenuous, but yes, I understand no dramatic last minute changes are being made. Every festival makes last minute additions, some larger names than others.
Certainly there's an advantage - January is so beset by lineup releases that fatigue sets in. They all blend together. They're going to sell enough tickets, and they're positioning themselves to step into the position of premier camping festival on the East Coast. Rather than try and cram another lineup release into a month that saw Coachella, Hangout, Governor's Ball, Jazz Fest, Bonnaroo, Shaky Knees, and others release lineups, they'll have headlines all to themselves come February.
That's a valid point. From a marketing standpoint it definitely plays into things. They get thousands of dollars in free press from news outlets and Rolling Stone and Spin with any announcements. Realistically, McCartney alone will almost single-handedly move 80,000 tickets. I'm probably overstating the number of last minute signings, but as of last week Firefly was still adding bands.
It's very possible the February lineup announcement was a case of underpromising and over delivering to allow themselves some extra time to view other festival lineups and make last minute additions to polish things. As someone eager to see the lineup it's tough waiting it out, but ultimately I'm sure it improved the overall lineup. They're looking to put Firefly on the festival map, so hopefully this year's lineup with McCartney and company is their coming out party.
This is not what's happening, at all. They did not wait around, see Coachella and Bonnaroo and Governor's Ball and Hangout and whatever and say "okay, now we need to add some acts."
The top line is impressive because of McCartney. The rest of the lineup, while solid, is not a departure from what we've seen from the other festivals that have announced recently.
Rory, what would you rate the undercard 1-10 based off of what you know? Trying to ballpark expectations.
This is not what's happening, at all. They did not wait around, see Coachella and Bonnaroo and Governor's Ball and Hangout and whatever and say "okay, now we need to add some acts."
The top line is impressive because of McCartney. The rest of the lineup, while solid, is not a departure from what we've seen from the other festivals that have announced recently.
Rory, what would you rate the undercard 1-10 based off of what you know? Trying to ballpark expectations.
Maybe a 6? Like I said, it's not wildly different from what you've seen thus far. If you've been pleased with the artists appearing in the undercards of Governor's Ball, Bonnaroo, Hangout, etc., you'll be fine. You might rate it higher, I personally think it's a pretty shitty crop of festival bands this year, so I've been rating most festivals way low. But that's all personal taste.
Rory, what would you rate the undercard 1-10 based off of what you know? Trying to ballpark expectations.
Maybe a 6? Like I said, it's not wildly different from what you've seen thus far. If you've been pleased with the artists appearing in the undercards of Governor's Ball, Bonnaroo, Hangout, etc., you'll be fine. You might rate it higher, I personally think it's a pretty shitty crop of festival bands this year, so I've been rating most festivals way low. But that's all personal taste.
Believe it or not, that's actually very reassuring for me. I was a bit worried they might have whiffed on the undercard as a result of booking Paul. A huge headliner such as Paul and a solid if unspectacular undercard in a down festival year is good enough for me considering I only budget for one festival each year. It also helps that Firefly is a much easier trip for me and my friends to make than Bonnaroo.
Rory, what would you rate the undercard 1-10 based off of what you know? Trying to ballpark expectations.
Maybe a 6? Like I said, it's not wildly different from what you've seen thus far. If you've been pleased with the artists appearing in the undercards of Governor's Ball, Bonnaroo, Hangout, etc., you'll be fine. You might rate it higher, I personally think it's a pretty shitty crop of festival bands this year, so I've been rating most festivals way low. But that's all personal taste.
For comparisons sake, what would have rated Firefly's undercard last year?
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 23, 2015 10:53:17 GMT -5
There are only so many touring bands to go around and in my opinion 2014 was an off year for new music in general. Not expecting an big surprises on Firefly's undercard, so as long as it has a healthy mix of what Coachella, Gov. Ball and Bonnaroo has, I'm good with that.
Maybe a 6? Like I said, it's not wildly different from what you've seen thus far. If you've been pleased with the artists appearing in the undercards of Governor's Ball, Bonnaroo, Hangout, etc., you'll be fine. You might rate it higher, I personally think it's a pretty shitty crop of festival bands this year, so I've been rating most festivals way low. But that's all personal taste.
For comparisons sake, what would have rated Firefly's undercard last year?
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Just got this email: Firefly First Look The Firefly Lineup is dropping next week, but be the first to hear some exciting names on the bill at Firefly First Look.
Introducing Firefly First Look, an exclusive show featuring two 2015 Firefly artists, Chiddy Bang and Cheerleader. This FREE show will be first come, first serve and will take place this Saturday at the Trocadero Theatre in Philadelphia, PA.
We’re offering 600 free, guaranteed tickets to the members of The Spotlight. If you are in the first 600 registrations, you will receive a confirmation email with more details about the show. All other tickets can be registered for on our Facebook page and will be first come, first serve. Must be 21 or over to attend the First Look.
*edit - email says Saturday. The actual date is this Sunday the 25th.
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6/5-6/6 - Gentleman of the Road - Seaside
6/17-6/21 - Firefly
7/22 - U2 @ MSG
9/5-9/6 - Made in America - Philly
Post by twinnumber2 on Jan 23, 2015 11:35:38 GMT -5
I just got an e-mail from Firefly with this information. Looks like the lineup will be released next week:
Firefly First Look
The Firefly Lineup is dropping next week, but be the first to hear some exciting names on the bill at Firefly First Look.
Introducing Firefly First Look, an exclusive show featuring two 2015 Firefly artists, Chiddy Bang and Cheerleader. This FREE show will be first come, first serve and will take place this Saturday at the Trocadero Theatre in Philadelphia, PA.
We’re offering 600 free, guaranteed tickets to the members of The Spotlight. If you are in the first 600 registrations, you will receive a confirmation email with more details about the show. All other tickets can be registered for on our Facebook page and will be first come, first serve. Must be 21 or over to attend the First Look.
For comparisons sake, what would have rated Firefly's undercard last year?
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
I completely agree with your assessment of last year's lineup. Outside of a handful of acts (Outkast, Foo Fighters, and Beck come to mind), the lineup was pretty weak and uninspired. When Imagine Dragons and The Lumineers are both in the top 6, that's usually not a good sign. Overall, I think they took a big step backwards compared to 2013.
For comparisons sake, what would have rated Firefly's undercard last year?
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Do people actually care what this guy or anyone else thought of a lineup?! Make you own damn opinion and don't base it on what others think.
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Do people actually care what this guy or anyone else thought of a lineup?! Make you own damn opinion and don't base it on what others think.
Formulating your own opinions, and having interest in the opinions of others are not mutually exclusive to one another
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Do people actually care what this guy or anyone else thought of a lineup?! Make you own damn opinion and don't base it on what others think.
Somebody asked him and he gave his answer. If you disagree with him that's fine, what he says shouldn't diminish what you enjoy.
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Do people actually care what this guy or anyone else thought of a lineup?! Make you own damn opinion and don't base it on what others think.
Not sure if this is a subtle reference to me agreeing with Rory, but my comment reflects how I've felt since the 2014 lineup dropped. I was very underwhelmed.
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 23, 2015 12:01:05 GMT -5
I won't disagree that last year's lineup played it safe. It was enough to get Golden Voice's attention, which is already paying dividends with the McCartney appearance. There is only a finite number of bands available for festivals each year, without shelling out a large sum of money, but I personally had no problem finding a band at every time slot to listen to last year.
I thought it was the worst lineup of the year. It was like a 4, just completely boring and bland. This year at least there are some decent bands, it's just a boring year in general.
Do people actually care what this guy or anyone else thought of a lineup?! Make you own damn opinion and don't base it on what others think.
Slow down tough guy, we asked how he would rate this year's lineup (seeing as he's one of the few with any kind if undercard knowledge) and asked for his opinion on 2014 to use as a comparison.
Somebody asked him and he gave his answer. If you disagree with him that's fine, what he says shouldn't diminish what you enjoy.
From what you know about this years lineup, do you think it is better than last years and the other previous years?
Last year was better in my opinion. This year really only has Paul going for it. Every other act I would have any interest in seeing; I'll be seeing at Roo and Gov Ball.
From what you know about this years lineup, do you think it is better than last years and the other previous years?
Last year was better in my opinion. This year really only has Paul going for it. Every other act I would have any interest in seeing; I'll be seeing at Roo and Gov Ball.
How do you know what the 2015 firefly line up is? Are people just taking your word for it?
Last year was better in my opinion. This year really only has Paul going for it. Every other act I would have any interest in seeing; I'll be seeing at Roo and Gov Ball.
How do you know what the 2015 firefly line up is? Are people just taking your word for it?
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 23, 2015 12:34:05 GMT -5
There's so much overlap with festivals now anyone that if you pick two of the major festivals, you're probably covered for the majority of bands touring.
There's so much overlap with festivals now anyone that if you pick two of the major festivals, you're probably covered for the majority of bands touring.
Every fest is going to have a few novelties that they can point to that makes them stand out. But eventually it's really just going to just come down to what kind of experience you want; (NYC vs Chicago vs farm in tn vs farm in delaware vs polo grounds in Palm Springs, etc).
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i feel like its already that way. the site plays a big factor for me, im not big on camping so my Roo and Firefly intererst are minimal but atleast with FF i live close enough to go for a day if i like the schedule.