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honest question - why is everyone so infuriated with red frog and why do they think red frog owes them some kind of message or apology? they've never given an exact day/time for the lineup drop, so what's the issue? it's not as if they are the only festival to either be vague about the release or drop it out of nowhere. how else have they been terrible at communication?
even if they said "lineup coming next week" they're still in that timeframe, so I don't honestly see what the big deal is yet?
though I do agree that you should never delete social media posts - unless it goes against posted guidelines.
edit: looks like some of you posed the same question/thoughts I was having while typing this
They quite frankly created this mess themselves. I was satisfied when they had the spotlight post a few weeks back from the director. It was well written and informative and provided an early February release date. Where they screwed up was then following up and setting an expectation for this week and then just silence. Always under promise and over deliver. At this point silence is the only thing they must feel is ok because they got backlash for their "stay tuned" and "coming soon" responses. They don't want to put out a formal announcement saying they have a delay until they absolutely have to because they are still within the "this week" timeframe.
I still check for updates every few hours but I'm not going to let it dictate my life when I still have to wait until June for the festival. It'll come and as long as Paul is on there I'm good. Everything else is just a bonus.
honest question - why is everyone so infuriated with red frog and why do they think red frog owes them some kind of message or apology? they've never given an exact day/time for the lineup drop, so what's the issue? it's not as if they are the only festival to either be vague about the release or drop it out of nowhere. how else have they been terrible at communication?
even if they said "lineup coming next week" they're still in that timeframe, so I don't honestly see what the big deal it yet?
though I do agree that you should never delete social media posts - unless it goes against posted guidelines.)
I've come to terms with the fact that Red Frog did say this week without any indication of which part of the week it would be (early middle late). So they have until 11:59PM Saturday to keep to their word.
Their social media representative said early in the week on their official Facebook page, though.
I would agree with you, but have to think they could get much more out of their partnership.
This should have been a huge step forward for them, and I guess still is, but communication hasn't been their strong point. Seems to me if they didn't change their message from early February to this week to early this week to who knows people wouldn't be complaining as much.
That takes a way from their big get. It probably will be mostly forgotten come June, but they have a track record of doing things like this, such as their big day of announcements last year.
I'm not disagreeing with you that they really, really need to work on their communication with their fanbase, but how many people that actually attend the fest are there on these boards, and how many are there on the subreddit? I'd be surprised if there were more than a thousand people that obsess over lineup the way that we do, which is what gets us so impatient and so critical of Red Frog. And rightfully so. But I'd bet money that the majority of people that are going to go to Firefly this year have absolutely no idea right now that they're going to see Paul McCartney on that top line, and the tickets are gonna sell like crazy. And that right there is enough to make Red Frog think they did okay this year.
I agree with you about that too. This year they've got the McCartney card to play, and that will make everything ok in the end.
That would be a shame if that was their takeaway though, because their aren't too many McCartney-like cards to play. I could pretend and say I won't go this year, but it's McCartney. If the headliners were Drake, the Killers, and KOL it would be another story. It's a good location, but their are plenty of alternatives, and if they want to play with the big boys they have to do better.
honest question - why is everyone so infuriated with red frog and why do they think red frog owes them some kind of message or apology? they've never given an exact day/time for the lineup drop, so what's the issue? it's not as if they are the only festival to either be vague about the release or drop it out of nowhere. how else have they been terrible at communication?
even if they said "lineup coming next week" they're still in that timeframe, so I don't honestly see what the big deal it yet?
though I do agree that you should never delete social media posts - unless it goes against posted guidelines.)
I've come to terms with the fact that Red Frog did say this week without any indication of which part of the week it would be (early middle late). So they have until 11:59PM Saturday to keep to their word.
Their social media representative said early in the week on their official Facebook page, though.
but that dude isn't even officially a red frog employee.
honest question - why is everyone so infuriated with red frog and why do they think red frog owes them some kind of message or apology? they've never given an exact day/time for the lineup drop, so what's the issue? it's not as if they are the only festival to either be vague about the release or drop it out of nowhere. how else have they been terrible at communication?
even if they said "lineup coming next week" they're still in that timeframe, so I don't honestly see what the big deal it yet?
though I do agree that you should never delete social media posts - unless it goes against posted guidelines.
edit: looks like some of you posed the same question/thoughts I was having while typing this
I didn't take issue with their tactics until they started deleted comments where people were asking legitimate questions. That isn't good PR; they seemed to be monitoring the FB page every like 2-3 minutes but wouldn't respond to anyone, only delete their questions.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Their social media representative said early in the week on their official Facebook page, though.
but that dude isn't even officially a red frog employee.
I know, but if he either a) Doesn't know the answer to the question, or b) Is giving out the wrong information, then why is he fielding questions on their Facebook page without clarification from whoever runs it?
He's (as you all have seen) the type to not post anything that has any sort of confirming information until he's entirely 100% sure that it's alright to, so either he went off his rocker and decided to post whatever he wanted or (more likely) he was told the lineup was coming early in the week, relayed that information to the thousands of people who are fans of that page, and now shit has hit the fan in some way and things are clearly delayed, with no clear communication or new timeline.
Their social media representative said early in the week on their official Facebook page, though.
but that dude isn't even officially a red frog employee.
He may not be an official Red Frog employee, but Firefly has made it known he is part of their team.
My biggest gripe is that there has not been an official post made on social media in three days. I know that they're not required to do anything on social media....but you wouldn't see Bonnaroo (or any major music festival) be inactive on social media for 3 straight days when they're this close to dropping the lineup. Feels like they're keeping the fans in the dark for some reason or another.
This is the internet who cares if we're "accepted". I'm going to keep posting and talking about music and the festival. Everyone else can say/do/think/feel what they want.
This is exactly my point... several "veteran" posters in here seem to make this out to be some sort of fraternity. It's pretty obnoxious. But whatever... we don't need to dwell on this subject.
Hierarchy is a way of life. It applies to everything, even forums. It's best if you figure this out now.
At the end of the day, none of this waiting will matter for me as long as I still get to see this man there in June. I will be forever playing this on repeat whilst studying for exams/having long rides in the car.
After lurking these forums for at least two years, this was the thread that was too good that I finally had to register. Thank you all for the endless entertainment this past week.
1) I don't recall Launchpad saying the lineup would drop on Feb 1, but I may have just missed it.
2) They would be insane to release the lineup on Super Bowl Sunday.
February first really meaning first week in February.
Launchpad said early February. So my statement changes to Feb 2nd in light of the SB.
Other than their email for Firefly First Look saying "next week" - Firefly org has always said early-February in all other areas for the lineup drop. Now I wouldn't put it past them to have incorrectly read a calendar or something wacky like assuming since First Look was Sunday (start of this week) that "next week" technically begins 2/1. They certainly are awful at logistics and communication. Hell - the first look email that was blasted to their mailing list said Saturday, when the concert date was listed as Sunday and then they had to send a blast correction.
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After lurking these forums for at least two years, this was the thread that was too good that I finally had to register. Thank you all for the endless entertainment this past week.
So who here is getting a "keep calm, I know Mike G" t-shirt this year?
I have every intention of getting one, and also buying VIP tickets just so I can follow him around at the fest. My goal is to pour at least one full beer on him per day. Of course I would only wear the shirt on the last day so that he could see it when I take credit for providing the daily beer showers.
After lurking these forums for at least two years, this was the thread that was too good that I finally had to register. Thank you all for the endless entertainment this past week.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by asseenontv12 on Jan 29, 2015 13:04:47 GMT -5
If Paul McCartney is planning any other tour dates, it'd make sense they'd want to announce them together. Other than that theory, I'm at a loss as to what the delay would be, short of someone dropping out.
February first really meaning first week in February.
Launchpad said early February. So my statement changes to Feb 2nd in light of the SB.
Other than their email for Firefly First Look saying "next week" - Firefly org has always said early-February in all other areas for the lineup drop. Now I wouldn't put it past them to have incorrectly read a calendar or something wacky like assuming since First Look was Sunday (start of this week) that "next week" technically begins 2/1. They certainly are awful at logistics and communication. Hell - the first look email that was blasted to their mailing list said Saturday, when the concert date was listed as Sunday and then they had to send a blast correction.
Other than their email for Firefly First Look saying "next week" - Firefly org has always said early-February in all other areas for the lineup drop. Now I wouldn't put it past them to have incorrectly read a calendar or something wacky like assuming since First Look was Sunday (start of this week) that "next week" technically begins 2/1. They certainly are awful at logistics and communication. Hell - the first look email that was blasted to their mailing list said Saturday, when the concert date was listed as Sunday and then they had to send a blast correction.
They said next week on their twitter on Jan 23rd
That's where the "I wouldn't put it past them to have incorrectly read a calendar..." part comes in.
This is exactly my point... several "veteran" posters in here seem to make this out to be some sort of fraternity. It's pretty obnoxious. But whatever... we don't need to dwell on this subject.
Hierarchy is a way of life. It applies to everything, even forums. It's best if you figure this out now.
Not going to get back into this discussion. We've moved on to breakfast. Speaking of which, who's been winning in here? pancakes or waffles? Also, me heart says lineup out today. My head says like next Tuesday.
That's where the "I wouldn't put it past them to have incorrectly read a calendar..." part comes in.
They also tweeted "Just wait til you see what's coming this week..." on Monday.
I'm not disputing any of that - or making excuses for them. I feel as though we're all highlighting their incompetence. I've just moved on from lineup speculation to "What was Red Frog thinking when...?"