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Except Kanye isn't an evil hateful greedy horrible person. In fact he's a pretty cool inspiring person that says dumb shit sometimes. In fact whenever you go to a Kanye concert or event (like the live streaming thing in the movie theaters) everyone has a big ole grin on their face. Donald Trump supporters always look miserable
Agree to disagree.
Kanye isn't Donald Trump. Kanye is like that friend you have that kinda acts like a dumbass when you guys go out in public. It can get embarrassing sometimes but he's still your friend and he's not a bad person. And I don't think Kanye has ever had bad intentions
Kanye isn't Donald Trump. Kanye is like that friend you have that kinda acts like a dumbass when you guys go out in public. It can get embarrassing sometimes but he's still your friend and he's not a bad person. And I don't think Kanye has ever had bad intentions
Kanye and Donald both play the media in the same way. They purposefully say controversial, mind-blowing things that are taken in completely different ways depending on if you are a fan or not. They do it because any media coverage is good media coverage. It's not a coincidence that Kanye tweets Bill Gates this past week or has started this "beef" with Taylor. There are only two ways this played out: 1. They were both in on the lyrics so that he could get more media attention and she could give a powerful Grammys speech to empower women OR 2. He is a piece of shit.
People who are fans of Trump or Kanye will start putting up with anything because they are on the defensive and trying to prove to haters that their person is special. Fans will turn their eyes away from any ridiculousness that they would not accept otherwise. They'll hype their guy up and spend their money on him and stick it in everyone's face that they support that man.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
So you admit that you're making this argument because you're compulsively drawn to pointing out in your mind that Kanye is a terrible person.
Why bother? Why waste so much energy being negative about a person you can simply avoid. I hate Ted Cruz and everything he stands for. But I don't go to pro-Cruz forums on the internet and talk about how terrible he is. Life is way too short.
It's fine that you don't like Kanye. My facebook is filled with people calling him a bully and a piece of shit and telling him to leave the country. But I don't argue with them because its not worth my time. I guess I'm commenting because you seem pretty self aware.
For me, Kanye often makes beautiful music that bares all parts of his soul and psyche for good and bad. I'm willing to take the worst because the best is some of my favorite musical moments period. His public persona is an extension of his musical persona and I'll take the good with the bad. Trump comparisons don't work on any level in my eyes.
Kanye isn't Donald Trump. Kanye is like that friend you have that kinda acts like a dumbass when you guys go out in public. It can get embarrassing sometimes but he's still your friend and he's not a bad person. And I don't think Kanye has ever had bad intentions
Kanye and Donald both play the media in the same way. They purposefully say controversial, mind-blowing things that are taken in completely different ways depending on if you are a fan or not. They do it because any media coverage is good media coverage. It's not a coincidence that Kanye tweets Bill Gates this past week or has started this "beef" with Taylor. There are only two ways this played out: 1. They were both in on the lyrics so that he could get more media attention and she could give a powerful Grammys speech to empower women OR 2. He is a piece of shit.
People who are fans of Trump or Kanye will start putting up with anything because they are on the defensive and trying to prove to haters that their person is special. Fans will turn their eyes away from any ridiculousness that they would not accept otherwise. They'll hype their guy up and spend their money on him and stick it in everyone's face that they support that man.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
I think Kanye just likes expressing himself...sharing his thoughts, ideas, and dreams out loud. Sometimes he's wrong, but as Kanye himself says "we have a right to be wrong". But at least he doesn't spread fear and hate like Donald Trump. He just makes music for entertainment. I don't know why I keep coming to defend him, it's not like it really matters anyways. But me and my friend were discussing how defending Kanye is like defending ourselves because we can relate to people not liking us because of our attitude or the way we do things. But anyways I guess this is where we can agree to disagree. When I meet Kanye one day I'll let you know how he is.
Kanye isn't Donald Trump. Kanye is like that friend you have that kinda acts like a dumbass when you guys go out in public. It can get embarrassing sometimes but he's still your friend and he's not a bad person. And I don't think Kanye has ever had bad intentions
Kanye and Donald both play the media in the same way. They purposefully say controversial, mind-blowing things that are taken in completely different ways depending on if you are a fan or not. They do it because any media coverage is good media coverage. It's not a coincidence that Kanye tweets Bill Gates this past week or has started this "beef" with Taylor. There are only two ways this played out: 1. They were both in on the lyrics so that he could get more media attention and she could give a powerful Grammys speech to empower women OR 2. He is a piece of shit.
People who are fans of Trump or Kanye will start putting up with anything because they are on the defensive and trying to prove to haters that their person is special. Fans will turn their eyes away from any ridiculousness that they would not accept otherwise. They'll hype their guy up and spend their money on him and stick it in everyone's face that they support that man.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
If your argument is their both polarizing public figures that know how to play the media then yeah I guess thats true, but thats a very flimsy argument that a) can be applied to a ton of people and b) says nothing about what their messages are which couldn't be further apart
Kanye and Donald both play the media in the same way. They purposefully say controversial, mind-blowing things that are taken in completely different ways depending on if you are a fan or not. They do it because any media coverage is good media coverage. It's not a coincidence that Kanye tweets Bill Gates this past week or has started this "beef" with Taylor. There are only two ways this played out: 1. They were both in on the lyrics so that he could get more media attention and she could give a powerful Grammys speech to empower women OR 2. He is a piece of shit.
People who are fans of Trump or Kanye will start putting up with anything because they are on the defensive and trying to prove to haters that their person is special. Fans will turn their eyes away from any ridiculousness that they would not accept otherwise. They'll hype their guy up and spend their money on him and stick it in everyone's face that they support that man.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
If your argument is their both polarizing public figures that know how to play the media then yeah I guess thats true, but thats a very flimsy argument that a) can be applied to a ton of people and b) says nothing about what their messages are which couldn't be further apart
I guess the polarizing public figures that play the media is my main point. I am not familiar enough with Kanye's lyrics to know enough about his message, so I concede that I'm not an expert and I'll stop comparing the two people. When I've tried listening to his lyrics, I hear mostly him praising himself and him talking about pu$$y and money. What songs have deeper messages? I really would like to understand the hype. I think I just feel like I'm missing something because I trust y'all's opinions, and the opinions of respected music critics, and I just haven't understood it yet.
If your argument is their both polarizing public figures that know how to play the media then yeah I guess thats true, but thats a very flimsy argument that a) can be applied to a ton of people and b) says nothing about what their messages are which couldn't be further apart
I guess the polarizing public figures that play the media is my main point. I am not familiar enough with Kanye's lyrics to know enough about his message, so I concede that I'm not an expert and I'll stop comparing the two people. When I've tried listening to his lyrics, I hear mostly him praising himself and him talking about pu$$y and money. What songs have deeper messages? I really would like to understand the hype. I think I just feel like I'm missing something because I trust y'all's opinions, and the opinions of respected music critics, and I just haven't understood it yet.
It's all good. As Kanye has gotten more and more negative mainstream attention, his music has turned darker and more egotistical to sort of be the person people expect him to be. As far as deeper messages, off the top -
Family Business All Falls Down Hey Mama Heard Em Say Bring Me Down
Are some of my favorites from his first two albums that show the more human side of him.
Edit: Oh gotta throw on Streetlights from 808s. That song is his most beautiful for me. Maybe behind Family Business but close.
If your argument is their both polarizing public figures that know how to play the media then yeah I guess thats true, but thats a very flimsy argument that a) can be applied to a ton of people and b) says nothing about what their messages are which couldn't be further apart
I guess the polarizing public figures that play the media is my main point. I am not familiar enough with Kanye's lyrics to know enough about his message, so I concede that I'm not an expert and I'll stop comparing the two people. When I've tried listening to his lyrics, I hear mostly him praising himself and him talking about pu$$y and money. What songs have deeper messages? I really would like to understand the hype. I think I just feel like I'm missing something because I trust y'all's opinions, and the opinions of respected music critics, and I just haven't understood it yet.
People who dislike or hate them will go out of their way (like I keep finding myself doing) to talk about them and try to beat them down. They'll read the articles to fuel their distaste. They'll go out of their way to also listen to Trump speak or listen to Kanye's album strictly so they can point out all the ways they dislike that person. I will say that I do really like Ultralight Beam, but it might be because Kanye isn't even on the track.
In the end they are not people that I would ever want to be around. They're megalomaniacs.
So you admit that you're making this argument because you're compulsively drawn to pointing out in your mind that Kanye is a terrible person.
Why bother? Why waste so much energy being negative about a person you can simply avoid. I hate Ted Cruz and everything he stands for. But I don't go to pro-Cruz forums on the internet and talk about how terrible he is. Life is way too short.
It's fine that you don't like Kanye. My facebook is filled with people calling him a bully and a piece of shit and telling him to leave the country. But I don't argue with them because its not worth my time. I guess I'm commenting because you seem pretty self aware.
For me, Kanye often makes beautiful music that bares all parts of his soul and psyche for good and bad. I'm willing to take the worst because the best is some of my favorite musical moments period. His public persona is an extension of his musical persona and I'll take the good with the bad. Trump comparisons don't work on any level in my eyes.
I get drawn in by artists and music that people, like yourself, consider to be some of the best out there. I want to understand it and enjoy it, too. But not everyone is meant to like everything. I don't like when people shit on things I like, so I'm sorry for doing that to y'all.
If your argument is their both polarizing public figures that know how to play the media then yeah I guess thats true, but thats a very flimsy argument that a) can be applied to a ton of people and b) says nothing about what their messages are which couldn't be further apart
I guess the polarizing public figures that play the media is my main point. I am not familiar enough with Kanye's lyrics to know enough about his message, so I concede that I'm not an expert and I'll stop comparing the two people. When I've tried listening to his lyrics, I hear mostly him praising himself and him talking about pu$$y and money. What songs have deeper messages? I really would like to understand the hype. I think I just feel like I'm missing something because I trust y'all's opinions, and the opinions of respected music critics, and I just haven't understood it yet.
I assume other people are going to give you a gazillion responses, but listening to College Dropout is a good start
Post by Dale Cooper on Feb 22, 2016 9:38:03 GMT -5
All Day/ I Feel Like That just leaked on reddit, as well as a full 4 minute audio version of I Feel Like That. Fits pretty perfectly in between Wolves and 30 Hours on TLOP in my opinion if you deleted the Silver Surfer Intermission like me.
All Day/ I Feel Like That just leaked on reddit, as well as a full 4 minute audio version of I Feel Like That. Fits pretty perfectly in between Wolves and 30 Hours on TLOP in my opinion if you deleted the Silver Surfer Intermission like me.
I still haven't listened to this yet, I've been waiting. I have an 11 hour drive tomorrow where I will have multiple listens of this and Dream Theater's new two hour album. I hope they both entertain me for 10 hours
I still haven't listened to this yet, I've been waiting. I have an 11 hour drive tomorrow where I will have multiple listens of this and Dream Theater's new two hour album. I hope they both entertain me for 10 hours
I still haven't listened to this yet, I've been waiting. I have an 11 hour drive tomorrow where I will have multiple listens of this and Dream Theater's new two hour album. I hope they both entertain me for 10 hours
Post by manoverboard on Feb 23, 2016 15:51:55 GMT -5
This album really has no lasting value for me. Didnt really do much for me on my first listen either, though.
Ultralight Beam, Famous, FML and Real Friends are all great. But the other 14 tracks have become entirely forgettable to me.
And I'm not someone who just hates on Kanye. I am a total Kanye fanboy - 808s, MBDTF and Yeezus are three of my favorite albums of the last 10 years, and for all the shows I've been to in my life Kanye's performances definitely sit at the top of my list. I am honestly confused as to why so many people (and respected publications) are praising this album so much. It's honestly a fucking mess.
And as for the comment above regarding 30 Hours - has that been confirmed that Drake was a ghostwriter on that? Because honestly that song isnt that bad the one thing that actually ruins it for me is the horrible lyrics. Oh and that totally unnecessary and cringe worthy ad lib at the end.
Post by Dale Cooper on Feb 23, 2016 16:31:49 GMT -5
Album really is better with the alt versions of 30 hours, fade and wolves. Switched those out, got rid of fade and low lights and silver surfer.
Its not his best but there are 10 great songs in my eyes. Curious to see what the "final" version sounds like. But if this is almost a Kanye B-Sides album and i'm cool with that.
Post by bansheebeat on Feb 23, 2016 22:40:36 GMT -5
Love the All Day / I Feel Like That video sooo much
Also real curious to here what Good Ass Job sounded like. I think it was more like All Day, Piss on Your Grave, etc. Then he scrapped all of it and ended up with Pablo. imo anyway
Post by Dale Cooper on Feb 24, 2016 8:50:01 GMT -5
So, new 8 minute song with Sampha played live at a party last night. And Bob Ezrin saying Macklemore is more influential than Kanye. Good morning so far.
All about the new song. I really wonder just how much material the dude has sitting around, either half finished or just never released. Who can hate a broke phi broke reference?
I doubt we're gonna get a new album this summer. I think Yeezy is just really excited right now. But it'd be cool if we did.
Also the song "Waves" has grown on me. It still sounds unfinished though, like Kanye's lyrics are so lazy, and Chris Brown's chorus doesn't do as much for me as it should (and I really don't like Chris Brown). But the production is pretty awesome and I love Cudi's hums at the end. It's sad because it had potential to be one of my favorite songs if they had just worked on it longer.