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I'm confused sir. is hangout bad this year bc you've already seen the "good" acts there 2 times or B/c they don't have the same old acts from previous years you liked?
I swear a fest could make a killing if they had the same lineup every year.
It's a combination there. I don't want to see Hangout bring back the same acts over and over. But I have already seen the main draws for me on 2015's lineup multiple times (except Florence who I've only seen portions of a couple sets). For instance, Hangout doesn't need to bring Umphrey's or STS9 back every year, but I'll see them at other festivals or when they come through town. Since you're generally getting 50-60 minute sets from most acts that aren't headliners which is less than you'll get if you see them in a club or concert hall, the majority of festival time is more of a sounding board for new stuff. When HUKA was involved, you'd see more eclectic stuff (e.g. Bloody Beetroots live, Dispatch, Moe.) filling in the mid and upper midcard. This year, there is a lot of bands that I don't really like or have any desire to see. I'm not going to hate on them, because pop is just what it is. But in place of String Cheese at 4 or 5, you have Ellie Goulding. Still near the top is stuff like Panic at the Disco or The Chainsmokers or The Neighborhood. In their place wouldn't have to be Shorty or Galactic, but there is enough good stuff out there to fill in those blanks where it doesn't have to be pop music. This lineup is also severely lacking in Rock. Lenny at 6, Haim at 8 and Cage at 9 are as close as this lineup gets to any rocking sets. It's just like they pulled the rug out from the jam, rock, etc. to fill in with pop acts.
So here's the thing. Hangout has never been consistent at the top. You can look at every year's Top 3 (or 6), and there isn't consistency from year to year on what type of acts are there. So it's possible that 2017 will be completely different and appealing. But I doubt it since I think they're just going for an image now with Hangout. That's great for the really young and teenie-bopper crowd, but it's not so great for those of us who are music lovers and demand a little more on that end. It's apparently not Goldenvoice overall, because despite some others' misgivings, I'd have been much better with Coachella's lineup or something similar to that. I hope that makes sense.
I had over 300 albums...most scratched and worn out. Sold all but 30 of the best of them to a yard sale picker for $250. I have over 200 CDs. Burned them all to my itunes and then itune purchases and CDs to my iPod Classic. I have about 60 GB of tunes on my iPod.
Depends on what you listen to, when, where and why. I play/DJ music and need my tunes, performance playlists, etc really accessible to aid my playing and performing. Spotify and other services just didn't allow that. I love the convenience of carrying the ipod around and having 60 GB of what I want to listen to plus over 20 playlists including Hangout (best of) and Hangout (current year). Works in my F150, mustang, boat, on the deck, performing DJ for groups and friends, and at the pool.
Apple and all services have their up and down side. My son loves spotify and other services that just play a genre mix. He hates Apple due to their "screw you over to make a buck if you don't pray at the master's feet" attitude. I am a mix of Apple and PC. Apple is currently updating in a way that my PC doesn't sync. I have had to pull the battery of my F150 to reset the memory to handle updates to the iPod. Still better than a truck full of CDs.
The Bose speaker I bought for about 20% off at the Foley Outlet last year married to the iPod or my Droid with Fusion running is freaking amazing. Wireless sound is really nice. Ford Sync voice letting me "play, playlist Hangout" or "Play Artist Jason Isbell" is also amazing. I am a techno-geek-engineer type so making things fun and work for me easy is just something I do.
until recently i always illegally downloaded my music and occasionally bought an album on itunes. However, i bought a new phone and did the sync wrong for my music so when I attempted to add all my old music that i already downloaded (thousands of songs) i learned that apple no longer lets you add in bulk, only one song at a time and the process is much more inconvenient now. So I bought Apple Music bought gave it up after 3 weeks bcuz its awful and the majority of the music is edited, so now im on spotify premium.
I use apple music still. I've never come across any edited music though. I like apple music even more now with the new apple TV, having all my music, or any other music I want, just a siri request away is quite nice.
there is plenty of other things about it i didnt like but even when i used the albums that didnt say edited they still were that way and it drove me nuts. The siri request was nice and i liked that when you added songs to a playlist it added those songs to your library. Spotify Premium has been so much better though plus I use spotify on my work computer so it had the added bonus there to skip the ads
My kids got me a few CD's for Christmas. My truck is a 2006 with the factory soundsystem, so it doesn't have an "aux." I still play the CD's or occasionally listen to terrestrial radio. I only work < 3 miles from home, so I just jam on whatever is good at the time between radio and cd's. At home, I usually watch or listen to live stuff. YouTube has most everything live, crazy shit you never expected and you don't really need to do anything to get it. It streams through the TV and house sound box pretty easily.
I would like to personally thank The Hangout for helping to convince me to go to Coachella. Seeing you guys trying to convince yourselves that this fest, which you don't like the lineup to, is still worth going to gave me the inspiration I needed to put a good chunk of money into going to Coachella for a lineup that I personally love. So once again, sincerely, thank you all.
Lol. Idk why anyone would ever be considered hangout over coachella lineup wise anyways..if you need ppl bickering to make that decision then bravo but I think it's a given that coachella will always be better. and I wish you luck.
I would like to personally thank The Hangout for helping to convince me to go to Coachella. Seeing you guys trying to convince yourselves that this fest, which you don't like the lineup to, is still worth going to gave me the inspiration I needed to put a good chunk of money into going to Coachella for a lineup that I personally love. So once again, sincerely, thank you all.
Lol. Idk why anyone would ever be considered hangout over coachella lineup wise anyways..if you need ppl bickering to make that decision then bravo but I think it's a given that coachella will always be better. and I wish you luck.
That's not what I said. It was a bad attempt at humor on my part anyway though so
Post by postreznorjack on Jan 6, 2016 15:20:24 GMT -5
Haven't checked into this thread in a while. I'll probably wait for the schedule before I decide if I'm going or not.
Just to organize my thoughts, here is a quick breakdown of artists I'd care to see:
Calvin Harris - seen once before. I know he gets poo-poo'd a lot but the guy can craft a pop song and his sets are fun. big clean dance pop sound. Ellie Goulding - never seen her, would like to. Casual fan of some of her songs. Flume - why not, if nothing else is going on Haim - never seen them, dig their stuff Grimes Jason Isbell - somehow never seen, love his stuff Miike Snow Leon Bridges Big Grams RTJ - seen the same set twice, but barring no conflicts i'd see them again and have fun Foals - totally rocked at roo a couple years back, would love to see again Courtney Barnett Kurt Vile Vince Staples The Revivalists - seen many times but am happy to see them over and over Health - the one stand out super weird get at Hangout this year Bass Drum of Death
Seeing how these names run the gamut of the poster there is a pretty good chance I won't have a ton of conflicts. So while I agree the lineup is underwhelming at best there are still a good number of acts that could make it worth it for me.
Also I'm an hour away so I don't have to worry about condo expense etc, just tickets, gas, and walking around money, so the investment for me is less than many others.
Having said all that, I'm still very lukewarm about going.
I'm confused sir. is hangout bad this year bc you've already seen the "good" acts there 2 times or B/c they don't have the same old acts from previous years you liked?
I swear a fest could make a killing if they had the same lineup every year.
Hangout sent out surveys which, I assume, we all filled out. I assume folks said they liked a lot of the music and festival, but offered some recommendations. I specifically "begged" them not to screw it up and "keep it balanced" so teens to old farts would find something in the lineup to enjoy. I am leaning a little to what Esteban said regarding the thought that Hangout is moving towards a college frat/sorority pop crowd. I hope I am wrong. I also agree that there have been a couple years where I was probably going "heck yeah" and the youth crowd was whining.
I like the idea of repeats that are new, not overly media saturated, and a majority of the Hangout crowd seemed to appreciate (Amos Lee, Flaming Lips, Moon Taxi, Jason Isbell, Skrillex, Umphrey's McGee).
Alumni tix are a pretty good deal and always someone looking to buy them from you at face value. Most rentals are cancel a week or so in advance and avoid any charges. Hangout has been a low risk, good return on investment. If they do two years of Weeknd/Harris/Goulding/Disco/etc I may try to go a different direction. Until then...see you at Hangout 2016.
I forgot about Youtube. The three things I value most about the internet are live sports feeds, intellicast radar, finding owners manuals, and freaking Youtube. Youtube has undoubtedly been of more value to me for playing guitar, playing harmonica, fixing all sorts of broken shiz, watching people do stupid and funny shiz, and watching great classic or new musical performances. I love youtube!
Post by krisplettuce on Jan 6, 2016 15:45:41 GMT -5
So for me looking at the lineup poster as it is today Id see a lot of these people.
Calvin Harris ** FLORENCE Ellie Goulding** ALABAMA shakes** Flume Haim Cage the elephant Chainsmokers Grimes Miike snow ** Leon bridges Big grams Run the jewels** Foals Courtney Barnett Fetty wap Portugal the man ** Moon taxi ** 3LAU Silversun pickups Bro safari Kurt vile Thomas Jack Wailers Nahko Brett dennen Atlas genius Vince staples Pepper ** Raury Snails ** Stick figure Health Hippie sabotage Bully Pell Bass drum of death **= seen before
Yeah. You will get your money's worth on that. Another point that maybe I didn't make clear was that I wasn't looking for any specific different people or genres on the lineup. I mentioned the lack of rock and jam higher ups, and there isn't a ton of EDM I actually like on this lineup. The rap is hit and miss for me. It would have been okay if Ellie, Foster the People, Paramore, Chainsmokers, Neighborhood, Weekend or whatever were still included in the lineup provided they also threw some bones to the music lover portion of the crowd (regardless of whatever that might be). That's always been the deflection to any hatred that was put on Hangout by thread trolls. They could claim it was some stupid frat party all day, but it really never was that. I didn't go to those parties when I actually was in college. We did it better. There were acts that might draw that portion of the crowd, but the festival overall consisted of people from all age groups, backgrounds and musical tastes - more so than I think a lot of people realize.
Maybe they'll sell this out and move forward with a formula they think will work for them for a long time. And that's cool too even if it doesn't include me. AEG/Goldenvoice obviously knows what they're doing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but for Electric Forest (comparable in size but completely different in music) to sell out almost in minutes without a lineup released even by now but Hangout giving us a surprise,early release with no additional fees to not have sold out already, maybe that says something too. I guess it's a little more expensive to stay at a condo than to camp, and maybe there are more people within a close radius to Rothbury, Michigan. I don't know. And I don't know what it means for the future, as I'm optimistic they'll add more stuff I'd rather see next year.
Yeah we'll see what happens with the ticket sales. As much as I thought the lineup was meh at the drop, I could see the draw to the demographic they're going for. However, with the early release and holiday season passing, if this lineup doesn't sell out a 40k size fest by May considering the extra time they've had, I'm interested to see where they go with it.
Yeah we'll see what happens with the ticket sales. As much as I thought the lineup was meh at the drop, I could see the draw to the demographic they're going for. However, with the early release and holiday season passing, if this lineup doesn't sell out a 40k size fest by May considering the extra time they've had, I'm interested to see where they go with it.
....I still question going young for a fest that requires condo/home rental though....and one where the community is always overly concerned with attendee behavior...we'll see.
Heads up for anyone looking for a cheap condo, I cancelled one of my condo reservations in Ocean Reef. I booked 501 and 502 just in case but we're only gonna need one this year. If you call through Meyerre rentals, you should be able to snag it. I kept 501 and 502 should now be available. Dirt cheap compared to the cost of the rest of the condos that close to the fest. Not the most lavish interior but it'll get the job done for sure.
Yeah we'll see what happens with the ticket sales. As much as I thought the lineup was meh at the drop, I could see the draw to the demographic they're going for. However, with the early release and holiday season passing, if this lineup doesn't sell out a 40k size fest by May considering the extra time they've had, I'm interested to see where they go with it.
You'd be surprised at what the powers to be will take ticket sales-wise before a strategy is reconsidered. Consolidation within the industry is also about being able to control booking costs by packaging properties when acquiring talent. The goal will always be to sellout but like we're seeing with hangout's direction, that can be in a way that doesn't fit the past direction or general festival trends.
I will say one thing, whether or not this new poppier, younger demo strategy works out for GV, if the condos don't keep selling like they did in the past (which I think is possible with the younger age), I think they should be wary of losing local support.
All of them have the same backend for artists, which is Do Stuff Media. It's their database that does random re-directs, and it means absolutely nothing. Let me guess, Daft Punk re-directs to Yeah Yeah Yeahs? It's the same everywhere. IT's been played with for tons of hours by tons of people here, with the same useless results.
1/17 Spafford 2/7 Greensky Bluegrass 3/17 Cool Cool Cool 3/28 Ekoostik Hookah 7/10 Jason Mraz 7/11 Chris Stapleton 7/12 Red Hot Chili Peppers 7/13 Buffalo Ska Fest
All of them have the same backend for artists, which is Do Stuff Media. It's their database that does random re-directs, and it means absolutely nothing. Let me guess, Daft Punk re-directs to Yeah Yeah Yeahs? It's the same everywhere. IT's been played with for tons of hours by tons of people here, with the same useless results.
I know for a fact url redirects were purposefully placed on the hangout website before just to mess with inforoo posters.
So last night we had dinner with one of the couples who was supposed to go to HO with us this year. The wife literally doesn't pay attention to music other than what her 7yr old daughter likes....she said all I know is Taylor Swift and Katy Perry. So she was asking why we're leaning towards not going and pulled up the lineup for the first time. She recognized three names that her daughter likes: Walk the Moon, Ellie Goulding & the Weakend....obviously doesn't make it bad music, but it's definitely "pop".
(She would still rather go to this than anything else because...wait for it....it's on the beach!)
Solidrock....the beach...exactly. I would go if Katy Perry or Taylor Swift were headlining, but it would sure be better with a repeat of any of the first six HOMF headliners.
Ne215....my son's favorite is Miike Snow. I don't get it.
Silvia was ok, really its all just meh/alright. Gonna switch over to the 2nd album and see how that goes. Ive been on a big indy/pop electro kick too and i thoguht i would like this better
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Cowering like cowards, cowering on concrete showers in Rikers Island Victims we the wolfs that's wilding We often smile at sights of violence Acting brave and courageous ain't advantageous for health and safety So when we say run the jewels just run 'em baby Please don't delay me, and that goes for a guy or a lady The fam, Goddamn we fuckin' crazy I'll pull out that pistol put it on your poodle or your fuckin baby She clutched the pearls, said what in the world And I won't give a shit I put the pistol on that poodle And I shot that bitch