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Jack White was right for the 1.2 seconds he talked in this. The average person has no idea about sound quality. Sorry to burst the bubble, but the average person isnt going to pay $20 for something they will "hear better" if there is a free version to counter it.
I think the loads of people who bought overpriced Beats headphones or Monster audio cables beg to differ. People WANT better sound quality, whether or not they actually can tell the difference.
Post by Billadelphia on Mar 30, 2015 16:48:43 GMT -5
Marketing alone will get them a good chunk of subscribers. I mean look at what Dr. Dre accomplished with a sub par set of headphones in Beats.
If people like Kanye, Jack White, Rihanna, and Jay Z make their catalogs exclusive to Tidal it's gonna get ugly for Spotify (and the Spotify consumer).
Here is a comparison someone wrote of the two services:
insert I've actually been using the free trial all day, so I can give an honest opinion. It's actually a pretty decent streaming service. There are 2 options : the premium service which will cost you about 12.99 a month, or the Hi afi option which was somewhere in the ballpark of like $26 a month. Seems steep, but the claim is that the service is more 'artist friendly' and the quality of music is greater.
After listening there isn't a huge difference in sound between Spotify and TIDAL, however I will note that the music is louder, which isn't a bad thing.
One of the other features this service has on mobile that Spotify doesn't seem to have for whatever reason and hasn't ever, is the ability to sort/filter the songs on your playlists ....by recently added or A-Z. Again this is something you have not and still can't do on Spotify premium mobile.
The other thing I like about TIDAL is that you can add descriptions to your playlists. Small things like this add to the social experience.
The service also allows you to stream videos.
As you can see there are certainly some perks over Spotify in my opinion, but it's up to you whether or not you want to drop a couple extra bucks and make the switch over to TIDAL.
Personally, I think it's good competition for Spotify, and I would hope that means Spotify will step up their game in future updates. Spotify screwed up getting rid of apps and the ability to filter your songs that they still lack is beyond me.
It's not enough for me to make the switch from Spotify just yet, but I anticipate better content with future updates. I'm not hating on TIDAL. here
I've been listening to music on it for awhile and I can tell the difference in sound quality on my shitty laptop Beats speakers. It's definitely clearer and these exclusive playlists are pretty cool. If they get first streaming rights for a bunch of these artists, I'll be signing up for sure. I'd also like to know if they're paying more in royalties to the artists but that isn't broken down anywhere.
Over the past few months there has been very little I have not been able to find on Tidal, and stuff shows up there just as quickly as it shows up on other streaming services.
Do they have the full Radiohead/Atoms for Peace/Thom Yorke catalogs? They played "National Anthem" while they signed the declaration thingy.
Radiohead
Pablo Honey Pablo Honey Special Edition The Bends The Bends Special Edition OKC OKC Special Edition Kid A Airbag/How Am I Driving? Amnesiac Kid A Special Edition Amnesiac Special Edition I Might Be Wrong Hail to the Thief Hail to the Thief special edition Best Of Com Lag: 2+2=5
Atoms for Peace - no records, just singles on compilations
Thom Yorke - no records, just singles on compilations
if anyone has any other queries regarding "is such and such on tidal" i'd be happy to see what I can find.
How much higher is the quality than the high quality Spotify that you get with Premium? I can't see myself paying another 10 bucks a month just to have something that has the label of being higher quality when I get 320, which is above most quality that people download online (beyond audiophiles who seek out high res stuff).
See this is what gets my goat. I pirate approximately 100% of my music, and I fully admit that it's not a position that I can really support ethically. But if I were a Spotify user (assume premium), to have music pulled from me and then be charged another $10/month to listen to the music I was previously able to listen to would irk me. Maybe it's just because I've been pirating since Napster that it surprises me that so many people don't do it. I still shell out plenty for shows and merch and I do donate to/buy albums from smaller artists, but I don't at all feel bad for listening to Jay-Z without paying for it. I'd rather support independent labels than the large corporations.
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See this is what gets my goat. I pirate approximately 100% of my music, and I fully admit that it's not a position that I can really support ethically. But if I were a Spotify user (assume premium), to have music pulled from me and then be charged another $10/month to listen to the music I was previously able to listen to would irk me. Maybe it's just because I've been pirating since Napster that it surprises me that so many people don't do it. I still shell out plenty for shows and merch and I do donate to/buy albums from smaller artists, but I don't at all feel bad for listening to Jay-Z without paying for it. I'd rather support independent labels than the large corporations.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Mar 30, 2015 18:37:22 GMT -5
"This is not a position I can support ethically. Now I'll try to support it ethically."
Most artists earn most of their money from licensing and sales. Not just the 1%, but the session players, indie musicians, and producers. When you have an option that lets you have access to virtually all of recorded music for $5 a month (or free with ads) and you still choose to steal it, that's pretty questionable ethically.
But I used to run a record label, so maybe I'm just part of the problem.
"This is not a position I can support ethically. Now I'll try to support it ethically."
Most artists earn most of their money from licensing and sales. Not just the 1%, but the session players, indie musicians, and producers. When you have an option that lets you have access to virtually all of recorded music for $5 a month (or free with ads) and you still choose to steal it, that's pretty questionable ethically.
But I used to run a record label, so maybe I'm just part of the problem.
Nah, I wasn't trying to support it, but rather explaining my own selfish justification that I use to protect me from guilt. I'm lazy, cheap, and immoral when it comes to pirating music. I wasn't trying to make any statements to the contrary. I know I'm in the wrong here.
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Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Mar 30, 2015 19:12:47 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a "stop all the downloading" hard ass or anything. But the "artists make all their money on touring" and "I spend a ton of money on shows" arguments annoy me. The first is objectively untrue, as much as artists are trying to capitalize more on live shows, it's not the bulk of income for the vast majority of artists. And as far as I know people spend less money on music related stuff now than 20 years ago. So the money people save by pirating isn't going back to live music (it's probably going to beer and venue owners anyway).
Nor, in my opinion, should artists have to road warriors to make a living.
I just got Spotify premium on a free trial. It's great. I get to check out new music I would have a hard time hearing unless I went the pirate route. I like to have the physical music. If it loses artists to exclusivity on other streaming platforms, not sure I would pay to renew without considering other options.
Using it, and only knowing the commonly repeated stories I've found about how small artist compensation is via Spotify, I am beginning to think of Spotify as the Walmart of streaming audio. They can squeeze the smallest supplier who is desperate for exposure to the marketplace and the big suppliers are happy to participate as Spotify has provided the delivery platform (like Walmart's stores errywhere) to provide buku $ via high volume despite tiny margins.
People bitch about Walmart's policies, but their revenue doesn't reflect it.
Nor, in my opinion, should artists have to road warriors to make a living.
To add my cent onto this, I think if this were to happen, it would take away from the music itself.
For example, I would make the argument that the Beatles' best and most interesting music came after they decided to stop touring. The ideas they had just weren't really possible live in the mid-60s. I think that if artists resorted to being road warriors, they would end up spending less time in the studio and just recording the music that they've already road tested and know translates well live.
This would rob the listening public of great music, and that sucks.
How much higher is the quality than the high quality Spotify that you get with Premium? I can't see myself paying another 10 bucks a month just to have something that has the label of being higher quality when I get 320, which is above most quality that people download online (beyond audiophiles who seek out high res stuff).
It is a pretty significant difference in quality. You need a decent internet connection though or else you get some buffering.
Interesting stuff y'all. I downloaded the trial and have liked what I have seen and heard so far. The navigation is clean, and while it doesn't have everything I searched for (Grimes-Visions, Danny Brown-XXX, Daftside), it seems to have most of what I listen to. I have played around a bit with spotify as well, and like how it can import my iTunes into my "spotify library" so that I don't need to go through and add everything manually. I'll be interested to see what the Apple/Beats service offers, and will likely choose between the three at that point. I have been reluctant to switch to a streaming service because I have put so much time and energy into building and organizing my absurdly large iTunes library (and more modestly sized vinyl collection).
One thing that I see missing with Tidal is a play counter (how many times has each track been played). This is something that I use in iTunes often. Does spotify allow you to see your play count (outside of the year-end summary thing that they do)?
How much higher is the quality than the high quality Spotify that you get with Premium? I can't see myself paying another 10 bucks a month just to have something that has the label of being higher quality when I get 320, which is above most quality that people download online (beyond audiophiles who seek out high res stuff).
It is a pretty significant difference in quality. You need a decent internet connection though or else you get some buffering.
I don't know, I'm on a very very high speed connection at work and been using Tidal yesterday and today and it is constantly freezing on me. I can't deal with that. Back to Spotify for me.
Post by Farrisbueller on Mar 31, 2015 22:08:45 GMT -5
Am I the only one that uses googles all access music streaming service? It also includes YouTube music videos that skip commercials and can play in the background on your phone. Its 10 bucks a month, and you can upload up to 50,000 of your own songs.
I really enjoy the que feature, it shows what songs are coming up next, but its also a quick playlist creator. Allowing you to pick any song or album and just add it to the que to be played after everything else you already selected. I find that much more useful than the endless playlists of Spotify. Which google still has too. When I am listening to music while researching more music, its nice to just throw what I find in a currently playing list and move on.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 2, 2015 14:36:54 GMT -5
Looks like Jay-Z is done with record deals and will be releasing new music through Tidal:
Jay Z continued to try to explain exactly how TIDAL is different from any other streaming service by participating in a Q&A at NYU/Tisch School’s Clive Davis Instititue of Record Music on Wednesday. The hip-hop mogul fielded student-supplied questions from NYU professor Errol Kolosine alongside TIDAL exec Vania Schlogel.
Perhaps the most interesting revelation in the discussion came in a few short sentences from Jay. When asked if TIDAL would exclude major labels in its drive to service artists, he said that wasn’t a realistic possibility considering how artists’ contracts work. “But if you don’t have a contract as an independent artist, then you can do whatever you want and we would love to work with you.”
Kolosine followed up by inquiring if that meant an artist could theoretically use TIDAL in lieu of a record contract. Jay responded, “I’m on TIDAL. I don’t have a record deal. So, yes.” What he appeared to be saying, then, is that even though he owns Roc Nation, he doesn’t have a contract himself. This could beg the question of whether any future Jay Z albums may be released exclusively on the streaming service.
But that doesn’t mean TIDAL is a label in its own right. “Don’t disrespect us, man,” Jay replied when asked if this was the case. “We have bigger ambitions than that.”
Those ambitions include potentially changing the pay structure for other streaming services. “The royalty rates will be higher than other services,” Schlogel said. “In addition to that, there won’t be that free tier that’s been depressing the recorded music industry, and frankly been a part of what’s been driving the downfall of the recorded music industry.” Jay added, “So we don’t really view as competitors. As the tide rises, all the boats rise.” Schlogel later mentioned that student discount prices are in the works, as well.
As for how smaller, independent artists will be able to showcase their work on the platform, Schlogel admitted it’s a work in progress. “We’re still a very young, nascent company and we have a lot of initiatives that we’re working on, especially when it comes to indie talent, emerging talent, giving people visibility, giving people a forum to put their music up and giving them control of their distribution and their creative content.”
Jay noted that their big push is currently the Discovery Program, where TIDAL’s owners will showcase talent they’re into or have stumbled upon. “Imagine if Win [Butler] from Arcade Fire puts up an artist that he discovered in Haiti — and he had this idea, actually, I don’t want to step on his idea — and through the curation process gets something really good and introduces it to the world. And then the world is inspired by that sound. It gets a little ethereal from there, but just the possibilities of what TIDAL can do are really exciting, on a creative front.”
The pair also discussed whether TIDAL’s exclusive content would ever be available for download (“The analytics that we’re seeing tell us that streaming is the next thing, and downloads are going down,” Jay noted), bringing the value back to music, and what was in that vague document everyone signed at the initial press conference. Find the full transcript at FADER.
This is really interesting to me. I've been in limbo between pirating and streaming music for a while. I generally use Spotify to find what I like, then pirate it if I like it enough. Now that I'm not a broke college student, I've been exploring ways that I could actually contribute $$$ to artists.
This is really interesting to me. I've been in limbo between pirating and streaming music for a while. I generally use Spotify to find what I like, then pirate it if I like it enough. Now that I'm not a broke college student, I've been exploring ways that I could actually contribute $$$ to artists.
I pretty much stopped buying CDs all together. I buy vinyl records for the bands I like that release them (but I'll download the album if an mp3 download isn't included). For stuff I'm just checking out or browsing new artists I use Spotify. I feel like between the vinyl albums (which I usually pre-order from the band directly), the posters, and live shows (and sometimes shirts) I support the artists I love.
And on the rare chance that I download some new albums (to add to my iPod since I don't have Spotify on there) I usually end up buying the real thing if I like it. If not I just delete and move on.
Am I the only one that uses googles all access music streaming service? It also includes YouTube music videos that skip commercials and can play in the background on your phone. Its 10 bucks a month, and you can upload up to 50,000 of your own songs.
I really enjoy the que feature, it shows what songs are coming up next, but its also a quick playlist creator. Allowing you to pick any song or album and just add it to the que to be played after everything else you already selected. I find that much more useful than the endless playlists of Spotify. Which google still has too. When I am listening to music while researching more music, its nice to just throw what I find in a currently playing list and move on.
I love google music for backing up all my personal library. But I use Spotify for streaming because I get premium half off as a student. Otherwise I'd use google all the time. I'll probably switch when I graduate though, just not sure to what.
Am I the only one that uses googles all access music streaming service? It also includes YouTube music videos that skip commercials and can play in the background on your phone. Its 10 bucks a month, and you can upload up to 50,000 of your own songs.
I really enjoy the que feature, it shows what songs are coming up next, but its also a quick playlist creator. Allowing you to pick any song or album and just add it to the que to be played after everything else you already selected. I find that much more useful than the endless playlists of Spotify. Which google still has too. When I am listening to music while researching more music, its nice to just throw what I find in a currently playing list and move on.
I love google music for backing up all my personal library. But I use Spotify for streaming because I get premium half off as a student. Otherwise I'd use google all the time. I'll probably switch when I graduate though, just not sure to what.
Yea, I liked having Google music just as a way to stream my whole library when away from my computer but finding out that I could then download all that stuff again made me happy to have it as a backup.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 6, 2015 10:47:57 GMT -5
I'm not liking where this is going.
Reasonable Doubt, Jay Z’s all-time classic debut album, has been removed from Spotify. Jay’s camp hasn’t provided official word as to why the record was removed, but given that it disappeared from Spotify just a week after Jay and his famous friends relaunched Tidal, it seems like he might be trying to force his fans to subscribe to his new pet project. If that’s the case, blah. Jay has every right to withhold his music from whichever streaming service he likes, but I hate the idea of the streaming wars devolving into a fragmented library across multiple platforms
Just signed up for the HiFi free trial. You can really notice the difference in sound quality between Tidal and Spotify, especially when utilizing a bluetooth speaker. The only complaint I have so far, is that some of the album artwork isn't showing up, instead it is all white boxes.
The sound quality increase really jumps out at you if you listen to a lot of EDM or hip hop, the bass sounds so much better through Tidal.
Just signed up for the HiFi free trial. You can really notice the difference in sound quality between Tidal and Spotify, especially when utilizing a bluetooth speaker. The only complaint I have so far, is that some of the album artwork isn't showing up, instead it is all white boxes.
The sound quality increase really jumps out at you if you listen to a lot of EDM or hip hop, the bass sounds so much better through Tidal.
I noticed Spotify's bass seems to be very muted. I have to crank the dial on my speakers pretty much to high to actually HEAR it in my room. Yet if I set the dial to half you can FEEL it from the bottom floor of my house. But hey, free.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 6, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
There's an option on Spotify for "high quality streaming" that works for premium only. Are you guys who are comparing the sound quality using the premium "high quality" for Spotify or are you just using the free version which doesn't allow it?
There's an option on Spotify for "high quality streaming" that works for premium only. Are you guys who are comparing the sound quality using the premium "high quality" for Spotify or are you just using the free version which doesn't allow it?
I compare to Google Play All Access, which I think is the equivalent to Spotify's "high quality" option (320kbps). But I've been doing comparisons of 16/44.1 and 320kbs for several years now. Bottom line is 16/44.1 is objectively better, subjectively is an entirely different story.
I don't think Tidal is for everyone, but its interesting to hear the opinions of people who aren't crazy audiophiles like me.
I do like the functionality of Tidal over Spotify, in terms of using them both through Sonos. Spotify is kind of annoying because I can only play playlists, so if I want to hear an album, I have to add it to a new playlist in spotify, then it's svailable through sonos spotify service.. With Tidal, any artists I've favorited within the Tidal app, I can easily browse their entire catalog in the sonos tidal app, which is something I wish spotify could do from the beginning. As far as sound quality goes, I've noticed no difference between spotify(premium) and Tidal, tho I have only tested and compaired with a couple songs by Thee oh sees. I'll try again with music that has much more production put into it.