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Due diligence on Mike D, since he stands accused. Every post that mentions him, up to and including Viking's reveal, with the exclusions of: - vote tallies - posts by Mike D - posts quoting Mike D Pardon the omissions, as I gathered these on my phone while at work. Haven't properly analyzed any of this, but perhaps worth another look.
*Viking > kdogg *kdogg > ZIG *Mike D > SFA *Carini > Thor Potent > Carini *ZIG > kdogg *SFA > Mike D *Rummy > Viking danbob > Potent
* These votes all make sense to me.
Viking going after me feels about right. I made it known I'd go for ZIG. ZIG reciprocated. Mike D & SFA reciprocating makes sense & has precedent. Carini has a formula. Rummy's vote for Viking makes complete sense, because history.
The ones I can't currently explain both involve Potent. Hmm.
Mike D & SFA reciprocating makes sense & has precedent. Reciprocating makes perfect sense to me. I double-checked last game, and I do see Mike D went a different way with his initial vote. I will concede that the most recent game's example in D1R1 went a different way. My logic isn't perfect. But if this was your issue... both SFA & Mike D were options for you, and you chose to come after me instead.
You allow Viking to vote for you and Mike D/SFA reciprocating (which, by the way, can't be the case for Mike D since he did it first) but call my Carini vote suspicious, and you blame me for Danbob voting for me. I just can't let it go.
Should be interesting to see where Mike D and Viking place their votes assuming the runoff stays as is. I can't complain. At least it should be good information on 2 tougher to read players.
I normally don't like to wade into the post count zone until the end of Day 1, but the cat is out of the bag since Danbob posted some mid-day numbers. I normally like to see how the post counts look without knowing that players have reacted to an earlier post count that gets posted mid-day. This helps me a bit knowing players weren't influenced to post more by someone calling them out.
I did, however, find that this game would be unique compared to most game since we have a lot of "talkers" playing. Normally, we have 1 or 2 talkers and the rest fall on the average or quiet side. When the game started, I mentally grouped players into categories based on how active they play in Mafia.
Consistent Talker Kdogg Rummy SFA Viking ZIG
Average Talkers: Carini Jaz Potent Thor
Consistent Watcher Mike D
Unknown / Noob Danbob (I assumed he would be a talker based on his heavy input on the boards in a relatively short period of time, and I think that was a correct assessment).
Viking, I find your list interesting because when I bump it up against how I expected players to contribute, there are some noticeable differences.
So my question back to you would be why is it suspicious for me to vote for SFA and not move back to KDogg after you voted for SFA even though you are saying "he is not suspicious" and I have clearly stated I find him to be a bit suspect? I find your timing especially curious after I outlined why I am a bit suspicious of SFA, so you obviously have been watching the game. IMO your post is a lot more suspicious than me not changing a vote without an explanation (which I never do) and then later not changing a vote to directly kill someone at the last minute. And you are suspicious of me voting for SFA who I also have reservations about. Me thinks you are stretching a bit Mike D and it makes me curious as to what you are hiding with your silence.
Yeap. I did as well. However, as I said previously, giving a pass given that it was a holiday weekend. Hell, I believe Mike D slept through a guess submission as inspector 2 years ago when I was ref during a 4th of July weekend. Not throwing out the data, but it is of less value (to me at least) than normal.
This is the first accusation this game that someone was trying to end a round without a runoff (and one of the reasons why Mike D's post set off alarm bells). I only know of 1 or 2 games where Day 1 has ended directly and those were ones where extenuating circumstances existed a la Superbek.
For the other members of the town, the votes on me are as follows:
Rummy - Who I think we all expected it from. But she is reading now, so lets see what she does.
Jaz - "For no reason"
SFA - who I voted for and never changed off of, and have laid out suspicion for
Mike D - For not moving my vote to KDogg over a mutual suspicion
I mean, if you guys didn't want me to play, just say so to start. But otherwise, I am going to continue to try and help get the town it's first win since the last time I was in the flipping town back in Mafia 75 (town), and 76 (Inspector).
Jaz - cryptic post about making a bed, agrees with my assessment, then says he is paying no attention to me. Jaz if there was a time to pay attention, now is it.
SFA - Did not expect to move because I believe he is suspicious, but readily admits fluff posts and stays silent
Mike D - Same reason, and he should change his name to MIA
Jimmy - Well see the last few pages.
I mean seriously? I am going to die over a grudge from last game over someone who has done some extremely suspicious things in this game at best. The only time I have been railroaded this bad was Mafia 50 (The Allstar game if you remember Mike D, KDogg, and SFA) KDogg, you should remember because it was your return game and you were one of the mafia members who railroaded my ass out of the game. I do take solace in the fact that the town ended up winning that game and I was 2 for 3 at the end of the day, but I am getting the same feeling now.
Well, as promised, here are my final thoughts although maybe not in a way you anticipated KDogg. Congrats to the conscious voters. You have decided you no longer want to play with your inspector.
I was going to post this last night but the tone had softened by the time I landed and it just seems that Jimmy can't help but punch himself in the face. The hope was that one of you would actually play the game and realize that the votes I had pulled prior to everything with Jimmy were highly suspect, but regardless, here we are. For the record, I absolutely hate this role and it is the worst role for me because I am so polarizing.
So here we go. My given name was Mike D. I was going to ask about SFA tonight. For what it is worth, I actually think Jimmy is town. Jimmy is the new roonectar. His unforced errors make him an ideal person to use to try and draw out mafia members. Unfortunately feelings prevented doing that this game.
Anyways, I voted for KDogg just because he is KDogg and we were going to GNFnR that weekend.
My vote switch to SFA is actually something that I do every time he plays but I never moved off of him because Mike D was voting for him and for whatever reason, mafia members tend to vote for each other earlier thinking that voting partners means hiding. That was reinforced with all the "no one uses voting partners" talk early on. SFA has posted very little of substance and even self-admits his posts have been fluffy this game. He also reciprocated my vote which he rarely ever does when I do the "lucky" vote, hence why I believe him to be mafia and was going to guess him.
Given the balance of players, I have Dan & Jimmy as probably townies, then KDogg as a likely townie. Potent I have shaded towards townie as well.
That leaves Carini, Rummy, Jaz, & ZIG.
I personally think Rummy is just a woman scorned, and as I have stated all along, that is her right. Maybe this is a blind spot for me trying to be sensitive to her need to lash out but it no longer matters since I am going to die. You guys can figure that one out.
That left Carini, Jaz, & ZIG. Originally, I had it narrowed down to Carini or Jaz for the last one, but after ZIG's vote for me, he moved up to the top of that group. Note, it is not the fact that he voted for me but the why. ZIG is a creature of habit to a huge fault. He has previously stated that he always believes that there is a mafia voter in the last 4 voters and yet, conspicuously forgot about it this game and voted along with 3 of the last 4. This is while I was the initial vote for 2 of them. It does not ring true especially after how big a deal he has made of this in previous games. Carini is a black hole at this point and I have no read on him. I think Jaz is also voting based on emotions here.
So thats all I have guys. As a recap, Mike D is known, SFA is likely, then ZIG. If that doesn't work, Carini or Jaz (or I guess Rummy but unlikely). I tried to do a better job hiding than I did in Mafia 76, and left out all the connections I normally make in my posts, but the inertia of history was too great.
I am heading into a meeting shortly here that will last most of the day. You have everything from me, but if you have questions, ask JR for an extension and I will try and answer them.
Posts mentioning Mike D according to criteria above: Viking - 5 (including reveal) kdogg - 2 SFA - 1 danbob - 1 Potent - 1 Thor - 1 ZIG -1
Perhaps fleshing this out with others' posts quoting Mike D's posts would help?
But I think this suggests who Mike D would worry about having his name as an Inspector. And that's not even getting into the content within these posts, which probably sent out red flags for Viking as well.
Posts mentioning Mike D according to criteria above: Viking - 5 (including reveal) kdogg - 2 SFA - 1 danbob - 1 Potent - 1 Thor - 1 ZIG -1
Perhaps fleshing this out with others' posts quoting Mike D's posts would help?
But I think this suggests who Mike D would worry about having his name as an Inspector. And that's not even getting into the content within these posts, which probably sent out red flags for Viking as well.
Hmm. These numbers have me thinking that, assuming Viking is in fact telling the truth, he easily could've been the night 1 whack. Five mentions of Mike D, his given name, in comparison to the second most, which is 2 by kdogg. Mike D is a vet. I feel like this data wouldn't have gone unnoticed by him. So perhaps the town will actually be better off for things having gone the way they have: at least now we have a name (again, assuming Viking is truth telling), which we wouldn't have if Viking had been whacked tonight but hadn't revealed.
I'm in accordance that it would make very little sense for a fake reveal at this point and with how things have progressed. But of course just because it doesn't make much sense does not mean it couldn't be happening.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Summary of and/or exact quotes: D1R1 SFA: reciprocal vote, quoting Katy Perry
kdogg (1st post): thoughts on D1R1 vote to that point; suggests Mike D & SFA reciprocating makes sense & has precedent
Danbob: manual post count, worried about quiet players
D1R2 kdogg (2nd post): "Mike D & SFA reciprocating makes sense & has precedent." Concedes Thor's point no precedent last game, wonders why Thor voted kdogg if those two are the issue.
Potent: (Switches vote from SFA to kdogg) "You allow Viking to vote for you and Mike D/SFA reciprocating (which, by the way, can't be the case for Mike D since he did it first) but call my Carini vote suspicious, and you blame me for Danbob voting for me. I just can't let it go."
Thor: "Should be interesting to see where Mike D and Viking place their votes assuming the runoff stays as is. I can't complain. At least it should be good information on 2 tougher to read players."
D1R3 ZIG "When the game started, I mentally grouped players into categories based on how active they play in Mafia.
Consistent Talker Kdogg Rummy SFA Viking ZIG
Average Talkers: Carini Jaz Potent Thor
Consistent Watcher Mike D
Unknown / Noob Danbob (I assumed he would be a talker based on his heavy input on the boards in a relatively short period of time, and I think that was a correct assessment).
Viking, I find your list interesting because when I bump it up against how I expected players to contribute, there are some noticeable differences."
So my question back to you would be why is it suspicious for me to vote for SFA and not move back to KDogg after you voted for SFA even though you are saying "he is not suspicious" and I have clearly stated I find him to be a bit suspect? I find your timing especially curious after I outlined why I am a bit suspicious of SFA, so you obviously have been watching the game. IMO your post is a lot more suspicious than me not changing a vote without an explanation (which I never do) and then later not changing a vote to directly kill someone at the last minute. And you are suspicious of me voting for SFA who I also have reservations about. Me thinks you are stretching a bit Mike D and it makes me curious as to what you are hiding with your silence.
Yeap. I did as well. However, as I said previously, giving a pass given that it was a holiday weekend. Hell, I believe Mike D slept through a guess submission as inspector 2 years ago when I was ref during a 4th of July weekend. Not throwing out the data, but it is of less value (to me at least) than normal.
This is the first accusation this game that someone was trying to end a round without a runoff (and one of the reasons why Mike D's post set off alarm bells). I only know of 1 or 2 games where Day 1 has ended directly and those were ones where extenuating circumstances existed a la Superbek.
For the other members of the town, the votes on me are as follows:
Rummy - Who I think we all expected it from. But she is reading now, so lets see what she does.
Jaz - "For no reason"
SFA - who I voted for and never changed off of, and have laid out suspicion for
Mike D - For not moving my vote to KDogg over a mutual suspicion
I mean, if you guys didn't want me to play, just say so to start. But otherwise, I am going to continue to try and help get the town it's first win since the last time I was in the flipping town back in Mafia 75 (town), and 76 (Inspector).
Jaz - cryptic post about making a bed, agrees with my assessment, then says he is paying no attention to me. Jaz if there was a time to pay attention, now is it.
SFA - Did not expect to move because I believe he is suspicious, but readily admits fluff posts and stays silent
Mike D - Same reason, and he should change his name to MIA
Jimmy - Well see the last few pages.
I mean seriously? I am going to die over a grudge from last game over someone who has done some extremely suspicious things in this game at best. The only time I have been railroaded this bad was Mafia 50 (The Allstar game if you remember Mike D, KDogg, and SFA) KDogg, you should remember because it was your return game and you were one of the mafia members who railroaded my ass out of the game. I do take solace in the fact that the town ended up winning that game and I was 2 for 3 at the end of the day, but I am getting the same feeling now.
...and then Viking's reveal. I actually think I under-counted him by one?
So put yourself in the shoes of Mafia Mike D, as is alleged here.
You can probably rule out: SFA (you voted for SFA first, and he only added Katy Perry lyric) kdogg (actually thought your votes were explainable, conceded a point but kept squabbling with Thor instead of pursuing it) Danbob (only a post count) Potent (brought his name up while arguing with kdogg) Thor (argued with kdogg, expressed curiosity over both Viking & Mike D, called them "tougher to read.") ZIG (grouped players by engagement level, but not much else)
That leaves only Viking's mentions. And those contain red flags galore.
Subsequently, that leads me to believe Mafia Mike's colleagues probably didn't have any/many red flags of their own.
Players who got zero votes in D1R1: Jaz*, danbob, Rummy*
ZIG*: got one vote from me, which was teased prior to role assignment, and I moved off it
SFA*: Mike D voted for him & he returned it, only other vote came from Viking - and he faced retaliation
* These players joined Mike D in voting for Viking before his reveal.
^^kdogg, this is why people get annoyed by your posts. It's a bunch of drivel. What is the purpose of this post? Do you have questions based on all this info??
^^kdogg, this is why people get annoyed by your posts. It's a bunch of drivel. What is the purpose of this post? Do you have questions based on all this info??
As if you'd give a straight answer to "Are you Mafia?" anyway.
^^kdogg, this is why people get annoyed by your posts. It's a bunch of drivel. What is the purpose of this post? Do you have questions based on all this info??
As if you'd give a straight answer to "Are you Mafia?" anyway.
You're post above is basically KDogg stream of consciousness. So unless your name is KDogg or we are in the movie Being KDogg Malkovich, they don't make a ton of sense...
You're post above is basically KDogg stream of consciousness. So unless your name is KDogg or we are in the movie Being KDogg Malkovich, they don't make a ton of sense...
of course the one thing KDogg would probably point out about this point is that I used "You're" instead of "your"...
You're post above is basically KDogg stream of consciousness. So unless your name is KDogg or we are in the movie Being KDogg Malkovich, they don't make a ton of sense...
If that's not your new handle after this game you might as well vote for Trump.
You're post above is basically KDogg stream of consciousness. So unless your name is KDogg or we are in the movie Being KDogg Malkovich, they don't make a ton of sense...
of course the one thing KDogg would probably point out about this point is that I used "You're" instead of "your"...
No. I'd rather point out that you cast what was potentially a decisive, Inspector-killing vote.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Jul 7, 2016 20:42:17 GMT -5
I'm home and catching up. This shouldn't be a surprise but I agree with the majority even if I don't fully trust Viking's claim. The best thing to do is to force the mafia's hand and hope for the best.
of course the one thing KDogg would probably point out about this point is that I used "You're" instead of "your"...
No. I'd rather point out that you cast what was potentially a decisive, Inspector-killing vote.
I voted for the player I felt was more sketchy. That was Viking. I have no control over Viking playing recklessly and getting himself into this predicament.
Go back and review Mafia 92 if you'd like. Same situation. LD was inspector; played recklessly and got put into the final Day 1 runoff. I placed the deciding vote on him as a townie and forced his Inspector Reveal.
I guess I just have a knack for smoking out shitty Day 1 Inspector play.
No. I'd rather point out that you cast what was potentially a decisive, Inspector-killing vote.
I voted for the player I felt was more sketchy. That was Viking. I have no control over Viking playing recklessly and getting himself into this predicament.
Go back and review Mafia 92 if you'd like. Same situation. LD was inspector; played recklessly and got put into the final Day 1 runoff. I placed the deciding vote on him as a townie and forced his Inspector Reveal.
I guess I just have a knack for smoking out shitty Day 1 Inspector play.
I don't know if shortening Inspector lifespan is something to brag about, exactly. I'm not so sure LD & Viking are necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison here, either.
Plus, even though he hasn't posted so much... Mike D made at least a couple attempts to portray me as Mafia. I realize there's a possible false positive involved, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore your votes (against me & same as him) lining up with his assertions.
If you can do post-graduate work on Ezra Pound then you can understand my point. I wasn't trying to stroke your ego and buddy up to you and your grand ideas. You claimed my posts are of little substance. Well, look at them. You can follow my thought process and the reasons I didn't feel Kdogg or Jimmy were all that suspicious. They are in accordance with things you are now claiming to believe. That's the key difference. Maybe I should have been more vocal but these are things I've been getting at all round. I wasn't insulting Jimmy and calling him guilty. I didn't do that to you or Kdogg either. It's totally cool for you to do it thought. But sure, the guy who made the mistake of coming to the same conclusion before you. He's the bad guy.
My crime is reciprocating two votes. And for that I'm somehow your most likely. No matter what hoops you have to jump through or what points I make that you constantly skirt over in favor of a snarky comment.
I'm done now. You have more important questions to answer that might actually be helpful to the town. This clearly isn't. You just don't get that yet.
My crime is reciprocating two votes. And for that I'm somehow your most likely. No matter what hoops you have to jump through or what points I make that you constantly skirt over in favor of a snarky comment.
That bold part is hyperbolic . My apologies. "..you choose to skirt over" would have been more accurate.
My crime is reciprocating two votes. And for that I'm somehow your most likely. No matter what hoops you have to jump through or what points I make that you constantly skirt over in favor of a snarky comment.
That bold part is hyperbolic . My apologies. "..you choose to skirt over" would have been more accurate.
Say what you want ZIG, but that post by kdogg was actually pretty helpful, for me at least. The statements Viking made about Mike D prior to his reveal certainly bolster his claim. To some extent that could be viewed as just Viking being Viking (he sure does mention any and everyone when he plays), but I do think it's interesting that he mentioned Mike D more than anyone else.
Say what you want ZIG, but that post by kdogg was actually pretty helpful, for me at least. The statements Viking made about Mike D prior to his reveal certainly bolster his claim. To some extent that could be viewed as just Viking being Viking (he sure does mention any and everyone when he plays), but I do think it's interesting that he mentioned Mike D more than anyone else.
Appreciated.
In defense of ZIG, I can see how that would be frustrating from his angle whatever his role may be. Here, I summarized just about every not-Viking post but his own. ZIG had that list, which wasn't easy to do there, so I posted his part in full.
It doesn't help that my quotes post & that post were composed while on pizza delivery duty. Most of my posts between 4-9pm last night were composed by copy-pasting all the quotes in my Memo app at base between deliveries, and then dumping it all in the thread. I think the "Mike D mention post count" post might have undercounted Viking at first because I was making tally marks on the back of an old ticket; I didn't bother with a recount because Viking already had a commanding lead there.
If mafia or inspector are too slow, physics must accommodate.
Technically, not necessarily. 7) The Referee shall neither answer an Inspector's inquiry nor execute a Mafia's chosen victim until after having received both the Inspector's inquiry and the Mafia's chosen victim. If the Inspector is the victim, the Inspector is not owed an answer from the Referee. The Referee shall only accept victim names from living Mafia players.
Letter of this rule might be messy when I take another look at it. I remember the incident that made us update the rule, though, and can speak to its intent.
Once upon a time, there was an Inspector who made a correct guess and a Mafia that voted to whack the Inspector on the same Night. Referee acted on the Inspector guess prior to receiving the Mafia's whack. During that Night, Inspector ran into the thread to reveal themself and their information before the Referee acted on the Mafia's whack to close the Night.
All involved thought there was a loophole which allowed that clustermess to occur. This rule update was an attempt to prevent that in the future. This was an attempt to make sure that the Inspector got answers on Day Y instead of Night X.
Not sure if/how relevant this is to our current circumstances. Your call on how to proceed.
If mafia or inspector are too slow, physics must accommodate.
Technically, not necessarily. 7) The Referee shall neither answer an Inspector's inquiry nor execute a Mafia's chosen victim until after having received both the Inspector's inquiry and the Mafia's chosen victim. If the Inspector is the victim, the Inspector is not owed an answer from the Referee. The Referee shall only accept victim names from living Mafia players.
Letter of this rule might be messy when I take another look at it. I remember the incident that made us update the rule, though, and can speak to its intent.
Once upon a time, there was an Inspector who made a correct guess and a Mafia that voted to whack the Inspector on the same Night. Referee acted on the Inspector guess prior to receiving the Mafia's whack. During that Night, Inspector ran into the thread to reveal themself and their information before the Referee acted on the Mafia's whack to close the Night.
All involved thought there was a loophole which allowed that clustermess to occur. This rule update was an attempt to prevent that in the future. This was an attempt to make sure that the Inspector got answers on Day Y instead of Night X.
Not sure if/how relevant this is to our current circumstances. Your call on how to proceed.
I granted one party or the other a two hour delay. All is well and fair and happy.
