Mafia 94 - Recruiting for Mafia 95

I believe ZIG.

Potent > Mike D > Viking

ZIG how am I suspicious besides the fact I've made comments that you find weird? If what you say is true why say I make no sense last round when I said we should kill inspector Viking?

It's a combination of process of elimination on other players and some odd moves you have made so far.

You voted 9th with your Day 1 vote. "Last 4" voter anyone? That raises my interest. When you placed that vote, you had 6 options (two of which were Mafia) to stack; instead you voted for Potent (who I now know as Town). Then your D1R2 revote was for Thor (another town). Your bringing up posts counts extremely early, etc..raised a lot of red flags.

The question for me is, are you making rookie mistakes or are you Mafia?

^^I have 7 roles confirmed. 4 players unconfirmed. 2 of those 4 (Rummy 500 and kdogg) I feel are town. That leaves you (Danbob) and carini12.

Be happy I didn't criticize you like I did with Carini in my reveal posts.

Criticize away. I know at the end of that you're wrong and if you are truly inspector you are hurting town by having me in your suspicions.

How much substantial evidence does it take?

Yes I read the entire story. How can you possibly have 7 roles confirmed? At best you can only have given name, guess, yourself, and night 1 whack.

Jesus hell, this game went batshit with a quickness.

Thoughts on ZIG's counter-claim:
1. Rather intriguing that this claim is coming from the player that Viking has already designated as his next guess.
2. I find that Inspectors tend to vote to cancel out the vote of their given name.  Look back to the D1R4 vote.  ZIG not only voted with SFA there... he made it a 6-4 lead against Viking, so ZIG's vote would have made the side of his "given name" victorious.
3a.  How the hell do you see the Viking reveal go down, but not ask about Mike D for the triple confirmation... especially when you agree with Viking on one of his accusations?
3b. Even if I believe ZIG's counter-claim  (not that I do) how am I supposed to accept Mike D as a confirmed Town?  Viking called out Mike D, and Mike D & SFA reciprocated at first & then voted together - with ZIG - against Viking.  Too much smoke here for me to just take the word of a person of interest when they say there's no fire.
4. As I mentioned earlier, I feel that fake Inspectors are more likely to exonerate someone (gaining an ally) than to convict someone.  That happened here, and it's definitely a point of contrast between these competing claims.
5. On a note of self-interest: We know either Viking or ZIG is lying Mafia scum.  The two of them were the first two D1R1 votes against me, before JimmyThor stacked as thitd and things got out of hand.  I think it's safe to assume Mafia was aiming for me from the start this game.



One thing I think everybody can agree on in this clusterfuck:
kdogg > SFA

Responses to your points:

1. When Viking revealed, this point was both an advantage and a disadvantage. On the one hand, by Viking naming me in his fake reveal, it also gave me confidence that I would not be the N1 whack. That is why I advocated to keep Viking. I wanted to see if they would go full blown "fake reveal" and kill off Viking. My assumption was no because Viking is too selfish. So I knew I would get a N1 whack that would cross off a name from my list. On the disadvantage, I knew since I was named in his reveal my later reveal would look more suspicious. Nothing I can do about that but provide evidence.

2.
I find your game assumptions to alway be funny. You did the same in Mafia 90 when I was Mafia, and basically Rothric and I used your assumptions and did much of the opposite. You even pointed it out after the game.
Now on to my reasoning. Going into D1R4, it was 4-4, but we knew Thor would be voting for Viking. Potent said he would be voting for Thor although he hadn't placed his vote yet. So I was essentially the swing vote. I chose Viking because my given name, SFA, was on him. This was for multiple reasons. I like voting with my given name to avoid suspicion but also gain a bit of trust. Additionally, I wanted to put SFA into a situation where he could potentially move his vote and give me more information on Viking. If I had voted for Thor, SFA would have had no reason to do anything and would give me nothing else. My action kind of did what I intended, instead of getting a potential SFA move, my vote caused a fake inspector reveal. This actually gave me better and more concrete information than just an SFA vote switch.

3a.
When Viking made his reveal and listed SFA, he obviously confirmed to me that he was Mafia. By him naming SFA and then confirming Day 2, this gave more validity to his reveal. Additionally, if the fake reveal went bust, like it will, If I didn't have SFA's name, we would have assumed Viking was full of shit and was throwing Mike D and SFA under the bus. This would have allowed SFA to look like town and potentially give them insurance to continue on and potentially win Day 4 or Day 5. Looking at how Viking's reveal went down, my guess is they thought Jaz was inspector with Viking's name. If they had been right about this, both SFA and the unknown 3rd Mafia would have had major cover and separation.

3b.
My comments on 3a also lead me to why I believe Mike D is town. First, there was the Day 1 reactions to Viking's reveal, Mike D was really the only one on the bullshit train. But SFA was more "meh". It was an interesting contrast that has continued into Day 2. I agree that Mike D is probably my least convincing "confirmed" player, but I also found it unlikely that Viking would name the entire Mafia cohort in his fake reveal. In my mind, it made the most sense that he involved SFA, a vet into the plan, and left the 3rd as a mystery to create multiple scenarios of escape if the fake reveal didn't work.

4. I would again disagree with your logic on this one. Mafia knows every role but the Inspector. So in a fake reveal, they can confirm or make up any role for a player they wish. A real Inspector like me, I'm looking for 1 Mafia out of all the remaining players, odds tell me I would get a townie (which I did with Potent). Also look at how Viking got to his 3 Mafia. When have we ever seen a player know all 3 Mafia before the end of Day 1? I tried pointing out that Viking's "homework" was lacking. I even quoted a portion of his reveal where he basically said 5 players are town because "balance of powers" and rummy is scorned. I was trying to push the town to realize his reveal was too clean and lacked much detail.

5. I voted for you to start the game simply because you were being a turd during Mafia 93. That's it. I wasn't going to vote for SFA and so I wanted to vote for someone that would give me a logical reason that wouldn't stick out (you pointed out the oddities of the Day 1 votes surrounding Potent. I wanted to avoid that).

You are as dumb as I expected. When this game is over you are going to look like a fool for believing Viking over me.
KDogg follows his own logic, that most people consider a bunch of nonsense. So when I don't play by KDogg logic, I must be lying. SMH

It would help if you addressed his concern, ZIG.  

I feel that I have addressed all kdogg's points above. I am an open book. Where is Viking answering questions? The problem I have with KDogg, is that he believes his own thing, and if anyone does anything that doesn't follow his rules, that person is lying. There's a reason why he always gets into petty arguements

Here's the deal townies, if you don't know who to believe, then your only vote option is SFA.

The benefit now for having a fake inspector vs real inspector is we have a some good options moving into Day 3.

1. if the Mafia whack me N2, then their plot blows up and they confirm I am Inspector and Viking was lying. But I don't get a guess.
2. They whack Viking. This feels like a slim option because Viking is too selfish to let his Mafia cohorts kill him to try to bolster their position. On the slim chance they do, then we have 2 dead Mafia going into Day 3 and a chance to win on Day 3 (It basically gives us back a day and I get a guess)
3. They whack someone not named ZiG or Viking. This continues the chaos but also gives me an additional guess. Viking will say he guessed me and that I am Mafia. But at that point how convinced can you be that Viking got all his guesses correct based on basically no information from Day 1.

By the way, Viking was spouting a bunch of stuff, but has gone fairly silent. Diddo on SFA.

Oh sure, call out Viking & SFA but conveniently ignore the fact that Mike D (who you're trying to clear) is also silent in all this.