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because people like to hate on good bands for the sake of being contrarians.
I'm a huge Arcade Fire fan, seen then 6 times, etc. but I'm hoping they're not there next year, or even this album cycle. Couple of reasons:
-Headlined last two album cycles, so could use one off. Would prefer to see more diversity in headliners especially since it wouldn't be an exclusive (playing Lolla) -Massive US tour this fall; don't like it when I paid $100 to see headliners in the fall/winter, just to see them in the spring -Win criticizing Coachella on stage at 2014 was kind of a jerk move IMO and made it seems like he takes the fest/GV for granted... more reason for needing an album cycle off from the fest -Album seems to be a critical disappointment, and outside of Creature Comfort, none of the singles are doing it for me. Would much prefer their "glorious return to form show" in like 2021 under a new album cycle
because people like to hate on good bands for the sake of being contrarians.
I'm a huge Arcade Fire fan, seen then 6 times, etc. but I'm hoping they're not there next year, or even this album cycle. Couple of reasons:
-Album seems to be a critical disappointment, and outside of Creature Comfort, none of the singles are doing it for me. Would much prefer their "glorious return to form show" in like 2021 under a new album cycle
This is funny to me because Creature Comfort might be my least favorite song Arcade Fire have ever put out
I'm a huge Arcade Fire fan, seen then 6 times, etc. but I'm hoping they're not there next year, or even this album cycle. Couple of reasons:
-Album seems to be a critical disappointment, and outside of Creature Comfort, none of the singles are doing it for me. Would much prefer their "glorious return to form show" in like 2021 under a new album cycle
This is funny to me because Creature Comfort might be my least favorite song Arcade Fire have ever put out
I dunno if just cause the im part of the crowd sing along for Everything Now, but I thought all the singles they released were incredibly good. Signs of life is the most average of all 4, but still find it to be a good song.
I haven't cared for any of the singles from it. I'm a pretty casual fan of AF. Would still love to see them though. Probably not at Coachella though. They have played a ton
This is funny to me because Creature Comfort might be my least favorite song Arcade Fire have ever put out
I dunno if just cause the im part of the crowd sing along for Everything Now, but I thought all the singles they released were incredibly good. Signs of life is the most average of all 4, but still find it to be a good song.
I agree. I'm excited for this new album even though we already have half of it. I love the critical disappointment it's drawing as well, just because to read these reviewers contradict themselves throughout their pieces just to get a hawt take in is phenomenal.
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I think the biggest reason he wanted to headline is that he used surround sound at FYF (speakers on all 4 sides facing the center). Not sure if a festival as large as Coachella would allow a sub to do something that major, and I'm not sure if he'd play unless they catered to all of his needs. FYF was an incredible show and I hope he plays Coachella, but unfortunately I don't think it's likely.
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I think the biggest reason he wanted to headline is that he used surround sound at FYF (speakers on all 4 sides facing the center). Not sure if a festival as large as Coachella would allow a sub to do something that major, and I'm not sure if he'd play unless they catered to all of his needs. FYF was an incredible show and I hope he plays Coachella, but unfortunately I don't think it's likely.
Honestly, if he were to play Coachella next year he probably wouldn’t want to do the same setup he had for FYF.
I wonder if they'd bill him as a headliner on a day he's clearly subbing.
Kind of like The Strokes being billed on the same line as Kanye in 2011 even though he was the #1 draw of the festival that year.
I'd think he'd only want to play if they gave him at least ~75 minutes and let him use his big extended walkway. So for him to play as a sub, you'd probably need a big break before and after his set and budget 75 minutes. Something like...
Main - Saturday Alabama Shakes 7:05 - 8:00 PM Frank Ocean 8:55 - 10:10 PM Beyonce - 11:10 - 1:00 AM
I think Kanye's split was more of a response for potential flack for booking him.
Gambino wouldn't headline. If anything, I think he'd be billed third, maybe fourth. He's not bigger than Future or Travis Scott who were #3s last year. If it's "Gambino's last show" mayyyyybe it stretches to a sub, but most likely #3/4.
I think the biggest reason he wanted to headline is that he used surround sound at FYF (speakers on all 4 sides facing the center). Not sure if a festival as large as Coachella would allow a sub to do something that major, and I'm not sure if he'd play unless they catered to all of his needs. FYF was an incredible show and I hope he plays Coachella, but unfortunately I don't think it's likely.
Honestly, if he were to play Coachella next year he probably wouldn’t want to do the same setup he had for FYF.
I don't really agree with this. That show was way too well curated with way too much attention to detail to just drop it after a few shows in Europe and North America and do something different. If he tours with it next year, I'd be shocked if he wasn't playing arenas and a couple more festivals with the same setup.
After honestly being super impressed with how he pulled it off, I think it's more likely GV will want to book him next year for a Coachella sub/co and a Hangout makeup and he does a 12-15 date tour around that. But with a guy like Frank you never know.
Honestly, if he were to play Coachella next year he probably wouldn’t want to do the same setup he had for FYF.
I don't really agree with this. That show was way too well curated with way too much attention to detail to just drop it after a few shows in Europe and North America and do something different. If he tours with it next year, I'd be shocked if he wasn't playing arenas and a couple more festivals with the same setup.
After honestly being super impressed with how he pulled it off, I think it's more likely GV will want to book him next year for a Coachella sub/co and a Hangout makeup and he does a 12-15 date tour around that. But with a guy like Frank you never know.
Sorry, I’m not saying it would be completely different but I’d bet it would be updated somehow.
Post by actually @fortyfive33 now on Jul 27, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -5
I really want to make this happen but there are too many variables rn to make me commit I guess. Once it gets closer to lineup drop I might get more info to make a decision.
I'm almost as interested in seeing who sub-headlines next year as I am in finding out the other two headliners given the numerous options that should be available next year. In retrospect, the 2017 sub-headliners were pretty logical; three acts with Coachella experience, strong GV relationships, and new material (Bon Iver, the XX, and Lorde). It also proved Coachella wasn't afraid to repeat sub-headliners, especially within the last five years (believe it was the first time an act ever repeated as a sub, and it happened twice). With that in mind, here are a few guesses and the 15 acts I think are roughly most likely to sub-headline:
The Favorites
-Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Billed 4th in 2006 and 3rd in 2009 and 2013, they've been consistent Coachella performers and are making the rounds again. Headlining the same Growlers' festival that Bon Iver headlined last year. I'd assume new music and a big tour next year kicking off with the spring festivals and would be surprised if Coachella wasn't a part of that.
-The National - New album later this year, LA show outside the radius clause, and suspiciously absent from Coachella since 2011 as they've ascended to the top tier of indie performers. Involvement at Panorama, show at the Shrine, etc. in between shows a consistent GV relationship.
-Frank Ocean - As much as I loved his set at FYF, it felt more like a ~70 minute curated art exhibition rather than a festival headlining set for a 125k person audience. It feels GV is very long on the Frank relationship, but would be a bit surprising to see him solo on the top line, so I think a year of him subbing makes sense.
The Next Three
-Vampire Weekend - Rightful promotion from 3rd in 2013 to a sub in the near future (with an outside shot of headlining); probably in demand for GV to secure rights with over LiveNation for the NYC market. Beginning to think they may be a year away in '19 given various solo projects Baio and the drummer are pursuing
-Arctic Monkeys - The continual debate between headliner and non-headliner will probably continue raging next year (new album should be timed pretty well with '18 poster drop). Think it's about as likely they are on the poster as off the poster right now, and as likely they are headliners as they are first subs.
-Lana Del Rey - Her whole aesthetic is 100% geared to the mainstream Coachella audience, so it's a little surprising she's only played once and this would be the year she is "due." Would fit into the pop sub-headliner role of Lorde, Ellie Goulding, and Florence (to an extent) the last three years. Does the new album have staying power for 9-12 more months though?
Darkhorses
-Alabama Shakes - GV favorites who sub-headlined the debut of Arroyo Seco and played Panorama last year. With a new record, they could be big enough to sub, but still think they'd be 3rd
-J Cole - Probably the largest rap act that can conceivably sub next year, but think they would have booked him by now if they wanted him
-The Chainsmokers - Can't all be good news on the poster next year. Would be the perfect deflating balloon on a potentially great lineup
-ATCQ - Repeatedly said FYF was their last LA show, but what about a big blowout "final show" at Coachella?
-Bjork - New album out later this year, just played FYF, but unknown if she would accept a non-headlining role or have interest in playing
-Alt-J - GV really, really wants them to be bigger than they are I feel. But this album just hasn't gained much traction, so doubt they can sub
-ODESZA - Sold out Staples and great GV relationship, but I expect them to be 3rd or 4th
-Interpol - Played in '07, '11, and '15 (with FYF '14 in between), so '18 supporting the 15th anniversary of TOTBL may earn them a sub spot. Sold out their huge LA show this fall shockingly quickly which may have renewed GV faith in them
-Childish Gambino - Under normal circumstances would think he's 3rd-4th on his day, but if it goes down as his "final show" or something, think that earns a sub
I think them along with St. Vincent, Fleet Foxes, and Grizzly Bear have a very good shot of being there, but I see those four in the #4-7 range vs. having a real shot at subbing. (Fleet Foxes maybe a #3)
Good point. Probably should be. I have no reason to think they shouldn't be there other than a personal feeling now that GV broke the whole "subs don't come back twice" pattern. I guess I could see them subbing next year but I wouldn't have them in the 6 most likely