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they did pretty good last time they played there. i think 35,000 tickets sold.
Isn’t Phish not all that popular in California for whatever reason? It seems like they don’t tour there very often.
I actually think Dead Co would do well here, same with other multi-genres. There seems to be a mainstream Dead revival going on. Bad luck on Bonnaroo’s part booking them just ahead of it.
they did pretty good last time they played there. i think 35,000 tickets sold.
Isn’t Phish not all that popular in California for whatever reason? It seems like they don’t tour there very often.
phish does alright on the west coast, but not nearly as well as they do in the NE or SE. Festival 8 was unusual in that it was the first festival after the reunion, so I think a lot more people than usual traveled for it. Still, even then it was only 35,000 people. At the next Phish fest in Watkins Glen, NY two years later there were probably 45-50,000 people there.
If every other Coachella is an indication, of course it'll still be easy to have a great time despite some cheezeball frat bro EDM shitbags headlining (if true). That speaks to the strength of the event as a whole and the depth of the lineup every year more than anything though, because those are a given.
But it's not unrealistic to expect GV to take that great event and lineup depth, and top it off with great headliners. They've done it before and it's made the festival out of this world fantastic instead of just good. Facing the reality that instead of a big cherry on top of the best festival sundae in the world, that they've made a conscious choice to take a fat dump on top is a hard pill to swallow.
And I don't blame anyone that focuses on the spoonfuls of feces apparently on tap, rather than whistling past the graveyard repeating "oh it'll still be good like it is every year."
Fuck good. I want the greatest thing on earth and I'm gonna bitch and moan and start throwing my money at European festivals if GV keeps scraping the bottom of the barrel with this bullshit when the economics don't require them to do so.
If every other Coachella is an indication, of course it'll still be easy to have a great time despite some cheezeball frat bro EDM shitbags headlining (if true). That speaks to the strength of the event as a whole and the depth of the lineup every year more than anything though, because those are a given.
But it's not unrealistic to expect GV to take that great event and lineup depth, and top it off with great headliners. They've done it before and it's made the festival out of this world fantastic instead of just good. Facing the reality that instead of a big cherry on top of the best festival sundae in the worldcountry, that they've made a conscious choice to take a fat dump on top is a hard pill to swallow.
And I don't blame anyone that focuses on the spoonfuls of feces apparently on tap, rather than whistling past the graveyard repeating "oh it'll still be good like it is every year."
Fuck good. I want the greatest thing on earthUS soil and I'm gonna bitch and moan and start throwing my money at European festivals [Editor's note: Do this] if GV keeps scraping the bottom of the barrel with this bullshit when the economics don't require them to do so.
My whole point is they don't care, so can do what they want, which is catering to more and more mainstream audiences since that's where they make the most money. But it's disappointing for people that liked going to Coachella for what it had been known for f+15 years.
The irony of that statement on a Bonnaroo message board.
I mean, silver is not wrong. If I remember correctly, Hangout was the first to go prepubescent, then Roo. I still bet Coachella will have the best undercard, but I don't like the direction up top if the proposed headliners are indeed factual. Stay away from what those two aforementioned tests have done of late and you're good. It'll sell no matter what, though.
If every other Coachella is an indication, of course it'll still be easy to have a great time despite some cheezeball frat bro EDM shitbags headlining (if true). That speaks to the strength of the event as a whole and the depth of the lineup every year more than anything though, because those are a given.
But it's not unrealistic to expect GV to take that great event and lineup depth, and top it off with great headliners. They've done it before and it's made the festival out of this world fantastic instead of just good. Facing the reality that instead of a big cherry on top of the best festival sundae in the worldcountry, that they've made a conscious choice to take a fat dump on top is a hard pill to swallow.
And I don't blame anyone that focuses on the spoonfuls of feces apparently on tap, rather than whistling past the graveyard repeating "oh it'll still be good like it is every year."
Fuck good. I want the greatest thing on earthUS soil and I'm gonna bitch and moan and start throwing my money at European festivals [Editor's note: Do this] if GV keeps scraping the bottom of the barrel with this bullshit when the economics don't require them to do so.
Not that it'll really have any significant impact, but if more of us started doing heading to Europe instead of settling for the half-assed shit pile that the U.S. festival market is becoming it would at least send some sort of message. Especially when the rate that ticket costs are increasing here makes the travel nearly a non-issue
Not that it'll really have any significant impact, but if more of us started doing heading to Europe instead of settling for the half-assed shit pile that the U.S. festival market is becoming it would at least send some sort of message. Especially when the rate that ticket costs are increasing here makes the travel nearly a non-issue
They don't need us. Thats why they are booking Chainsmokers.
The irony of that statement on a Bonnaroo message board.
I mean, silver is not wrong. If I remember correctly, Hangout was the first to go prepubescent, then Roo. I still bet Coachella will have the best undercard, but I don't like the direction up top if the proposed headliners are indeed factual. Stay away from what those two aforementioned tests have done of late and you're good. It'll sell no matter what, though.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
I mean, silver is not wrong. If I remember correctly, Hangout was the first to go prepubescent, then Roo. I still bet Coachella will have the best undercard, but I don't like the direction up top if the proposed headliners are indeed factual. Stay away from what those two aforementioned tests have done of late and you're good. It'll sell no matter what, though.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
Coachella figured this out a while ago, it’s the VIPs that they make the most cash from. When people ask if it’s worth it to purchase VIP I tell them if they have to ask, then no. That kind of stuff is targeted to people who don’t think twice about spending money. NFL figured this out too. It’s not about filling out the stands, it’s about selling those box suites.
Of course, the taste of those don’t differ TOO drastically from the younger crowd because the crowd in LA that has money honestly isn’t that much older and even then, they both listen to Future and Ellie Goulding. With that said, we’re not about to see them starting booking people like Jake Paul because that age group definitely doesn’t have that much money.
It's amazing that Coachella pays people decent salaries to have these sort of conversations to work out their marketing strategy, when they could just turn to a music drugs forum and have people do it for free!
I mean, silver is not wrong. If I remember correctly, Hangout was the first to go prepubescent, then Roo. I still bet Coachella will have the best undercard, but I don't like the direction up top if the proposed headliners are indeed factual. Stay away from what those two aforementioned tests have done of late and you're good. It'll sell no matter what, though.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
I mean, silver is not wrong. If I remember correctly, Hangout was the first to go prepubescent, then Roo. I still bet Coachella will have the best undercard, but I don't like the direction up top if the proposed headliners are indeed factual. Stay away from what those two aforementioned tests have done of late and you're good. It'll sell no matter what, though.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
I think the optimal "Coachella consumer" from an AEG point of view is 21-24 years old, as they have the stamina to last all day, drink an absolute ton, and are probably slightly more likely to pay for ancillary things like merch. As eversoslowly said, VIPs are a completely different discussion. But I wasn't necessarily thinking "maximizing revenue" as I think Coachella revenue is essentially "fixed" - they're gonna sell every ticket at whatever list price it is and no matter the demographic makeup they're probably going to make $X per person on merch/food/booze - it's more optimizing cross-selling across the AEG/GV portfolio and make it easier to book. Why book a creative headliner when The Chainsmokers can do Hangout and Coachella and The Weeknd can do Firefly and Coachella? Why appeal to the older crowd when The Weeknd and Coachella's H&M collection selection sells out the day it goes online? PT will have his passion bookings each year (and those will probably continue to dwindle) but ultimately he's not stupid - he's sitting on a cash flowing machine by just booking what's popular.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
I think the optimal "Coachella consumer" from an AEG point of view is 21-24 years old, as they have the stamina to last all day, drink an absolute ton, and are probably slightly more likely to pay for ancillary things like merch. As eversoslowly said, VIPs are a completely different discussion. But I wasn't necessarily thinking "maximizing revenue" as I think Coachella revenue is essentially "fixed" - they're gonna sell every ticket at whatever list price it is and no matter the demographic makeup they're probably going to make $X per person on merch/food/booze - it's more optimizing cross-selling across the AEG/GV portfolio and make it easier to book. Why book a creative headliner when The Chainsmokers can do Hangout and Coachella and The Weeknd can do Firefly and Coachella? Why appeal to the older crowd when The Weeknd and Coachella's H&M collection selection sells out the day it goes online? PT will have his passion bookings each year (and those will probably continue to dwindle) but ultimately he's not stupid - he's sitting on a cash flowing machine by just booking what's popular.
I guarantee you they do not think of their revenue as "fixed." They are always looking to increase revenue.
I think the optimal "Coachella consumer" from an AEG point of view is 21-24 years old, as they have the stamina to last all day, drink an absolute ton, and are probably slightly more likely to pay for ancillary things like merch. As eversoslowly said, VIPs are a completely different discussion. But I wasn't necessarily thinking "maximizing revenue" as I think Coachella revenue is essentially "fixed" - they're gonna sell every ticket at whatever list price it is and no matter the demographic makeup they're probably going to make $X per person on merch/food/booze - it's more optimizing cross-selling across the AEG/GV portfolio and make it easier to book. Why book a creative headliner when The Chainsmokers can do Hangout and Coachella and The Weeknd can do Firefly and Coachella? Why appeal to the older crowd when The Weeknd and Coachella's H&M collection selection sells out the day it goes online? PT will have his passion bookings each year (and those will probably continue to dwindle) but ultimately he's not stupid - he's sitting on a cash flowing machine by just booking what's popular.
I guarantee you they do not think of their revenue as "fixed." They are always looking to increase revenue.
Id argue silver is wrong. Coachella doesnt need to appeal to the popular masses to move tickets, like every american festival outside of Lolla and Coachella. If you are truly looking to maximize revenue, you have to think about who would spend the most money on site. I dont think thats people who are younger, instead those who would go for the travel packages, more drinks in the venue, appeal to better sponsors, etc. And that audience would be the folks who are on the older side.
I think the optimal "Coachella consumer" from an AEG point of view is 21-24 years old, as they have the stamina to last all day, drink an absolute ton, and are probably slightly more likely to pay for ancillary things like merch. As eversoslowly said, VIPs are a completely different discussion. But I wasn't necessarily thinking "maximizing revenue" as I think Coachella revenue is essentially "fixed" - they're gonna sell every ticket at whatever list price it is and no matter the demographic makeup they're probably going to make $X per person on merch/food/booze - it's more optimizing cross-selling across the AEG/GV portfolio and make it easier to book. Why book a creative headliner when The Chainsmokers can do Hangout and Coachella and The Weeknd can do Firefly and Coachella? Why appeal to the older crowd when The Weeknd and Coachella's H&M collection selection sells out the day it goes online? PT will have his passion bookings each year (and those will probably continue to dwindle) but ultimately he's not stupid - he's sitting on a cash flowing machine by just booking what's popular.
Ok this makes sense. Creating potential discounts by having combo bookings with other fests, and making Hangout's lineup look better by having Kendrick, The Killers, and a Coachella Headliner.
What’s wrong with this model considering those “passion bookings” still occur? I would complain more if it followed the Bonnaroo route and those booking seized to exist. I would argue they curate lineups with past and present attendees in mind.
Its def more of a wait and see. The signs of change wont be the headliners. If Coachella doesnt get Parcels over here for instance, that would be a small sign of big change from Goldenvoice
Its def more of a wait and see. The signs of change wont be the headliners. If Coachella doesnt get Parcels over here for instance, that would be a small sign of big change from Goldenvoice
Parcels and The Weeknd? We’re for sure gonna get Daft Punk now
I get that Parcels is being used here as an up and coming buzz act who should be on the lineup. But even last year they still included young rock bands like Klangstof. They have remained consistent in that aspect year after year. I think they'll be there. The most significant change of all has been on the second line imo.
Realistic wishlist: Jungle, Parcels, Kiasmos, QOTSA, James Holden, Gold Panda, Nosaj Thing, Lindstrom, Iglooghost, Detroit Swindle, Kink
Stretching: Massive Attack, Chemical Bros, Orbital, UNKLE, Soulwax
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Excited for the Chainsmokers / Perfume Genius collab during they're headlining set:
Perfume Genius on the Chainsmokers: "I’m kind of obsessed with them ... I’m almost endeared by it because it’s so awful, as opposed to when people are essentially Chainsmokers but they’ve like, read a book."