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I think this Money Grab term is rather lame. Isn't every artists trying to make money to support their art or craft. The only way I see it as a relevant term is if the performance or album is complete devoid of effort or substance (the current arguement towards Eminem).
Andre and Big Boi gave it their fucking all when I see saw em on the beach in one hell of a production.
I think from André's perspective it's that the main/sole reason to do the tour was for money, rather than any artistic intent
May have been the main reason but I think what everyone is saying is that they didn’t just take the money and run with it. They proved why they are one of the most important hip hop groups to ever come around
Post by thisishappening on Dec 21, 2017 16:22:12 GMT -5
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
I think from André's perspective it's that the main/sole reason to do the tour was for money, rather than any artistic intent
May have been the main reason but I think what everyone is saying is that they didn’t just take the money and run with it. They proved why they are one of the most important hip hop groups to ever come around
I think a lot of good points are being made. Perhaps BB and 3k chatted and said "hey man, lets tour, we need money." No new material or major projects were started (artistic intent). BUt I think it is silly to fault musicians for making a choice to perform to make money as if true musicians work for free. They spent a whole year rehearsing and performing at a level that is still above their peers and with a production that was still completely impressive.
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
hush, look what happened to Coachella when everyone on inforoo started going.
May have been the main reason but I think what everyone is saying is that they didn’t just take the money and run with it. They proved why they are one of the most important hip hop groups to ever come around
I think a lot of good points are being made. Perhaps BB and 3k chatted and said "hey man, lets tour, we need money." No new material or major projects were started (artistic intent). BUt I think it is silly to fault musicians for making a choice to perform to make money as if true musicians work for free. They spent a whole year rehearsing and performing at a level that is still above their peers and with a production that was still completely impressive.
Yeah I'm definitely not knocking them. I didn't get a chance to see any of their shows and am still bummed about it. The shows I've watched video of look fucking fantastic. I didn't hear much complaining about the reunion being a cash grab at the time until André said as much after the fact
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
I've got a free flight and $50 lodging for Coachella, plus the car rental came out to less than $30 this year, so I think I'm set. Also, flights from Tampa or Orlando to Madrid during those dates are $1,100 at the minimum, while a flight from Orlando to LAX during Coachella for a solid airline and class is $250-$300.
Post by Jeremy Jamm on Dec 21, 2017 16:42:52 GMT -5
For the record, when I said "money grab" I didn't even mean it as a slight against Outkast. Just that, they had no new material and it was clearly about making some fast cash. Hey, they put on a hell of a performance, they didn't mail it in. That's all you can ask.
That's the 'booked the hotel right after Weekend 2 of Coachella for the following year 30+ minutes away' price, so the + I added at the end of $500 is closer to +++.
That's the 'booked the hotel right after Weekend 2 of Coachella for the following year price 30+ minutes away' price, so the + I added at the end of $500 is closer to +++.
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
I've got a free flight and $50 lodging for Coachella, plus the car rental came out to less than $30 this year, so I think I'm set. Also, flights from Tampa or Orlando to Madrid during those dates are $1,100 at the minimum, while a flight from Orlando to LAX during Coachella for a solid airline and class is $250-$300.
Yeah my flight from Orlando to Barcelona for Primavera in 2016 was around $1000. I maybe could have gotten a better deal if I waited to book until March or April, but I didn't want to take that chance.
I've got a free flight and $50 lodging for Coachella, plus the car rental came out to less than $30 this year, so I think I'm set. Also, flights from Tampa or Orlando to Madrid during those dates are $1,100 at the minimum, while a flight from Orlando to LAX during Coachella for a solid airline and class is $250-$300.
Yeah my flight from Orlando to Barcelona for Primavera in 2016 was around $1000. I maybe could have gotten a better deal if I waited to book until March or April, but I didn't want to take that chance.
I remember Phi talking about super cheap flights from New York to Barcelona last year, and you could easily snag a $200 RT flight from Tampa or Orlando to New York, but I think Primavera takes place in the off-season. I'd assume July is peak season for Madrid. I'd love to find out where to score a $700 RT flight that doesn't involve packing in like a mule and risking your life in case some turbulence brings your budget airliner down in flames.
I don't think Big Boi needed money. He may have wanted more money, but he's got his hands in all kinds of things, and has been putting out consistently good solo records, plus whatever money he made/still makes off Outkast. He has also been pretty candid about wanting to do OK stuff he was just waiting on Dre. I feel like it was more for the fans than the money.
I don't think Big Boi needed money. He may have wanted more money, but he's got his hands in all kinds of things, and has been putting out consistently good solo records, plus whatever money he made/still makes off Outkast. He has also been pretty candid about wanting to do OK stuff he was just waiting on Dre. I feel like it was more for the fans than the money.
Probably true. Maybe I'm just the bad guy for defaming our beloved Outkast
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
Given that the undercard on Mad Cool already includes Nine Inch Nails, Massive Attack, Justice, Kasabian, Alice in Chains, Fleet Foxes, MGMT, Franz Ferdinand, Snow Patrol, ATDI, Portugal TM, Future Islands...I don't even need to see the Coachella undercard before declaring it won't be able to compete...not even close.
The unknown equalizer in this could be production and logistics. Mad Cool doesn't have much of a track record and what they have isn't great. Coachella is a guaranteed slam dunk in that department every year so it's certainly a safer bet. I'm a little worried that Mad Cool oversells their fest and doesn't have the infrastructure in place to deal with what should be a massive crowd.
Flights to Spain are also ridiculously expensive compared to other European cities for some reason as well. Like 30-50% more from the places I've been checking. Outside of NYC, it's pretty hard to find RT flights there for less than $1000, and there also aren't a lot of US cities that have direct flights to Madrid.
But that damn Mad Cool lineup is a once a decade opportunity and really provides a huge incentive to see what seems like ten great headliners in 3 days with presumably few conflicts.
I've been trying to convince friends of mine that already bought air/fest tickets to Coachella to switch up to Mad Cool but the airfare is 8-10x more expensive from the west coast and it really is prohibitive for them at this point.
I'm planning on doing both but if for some reason I had to pick, Mad Cool wins in a landslide.
Post by thisishappening on Dec 21, 2017 19:26:34 GMT -5
”The unknown equalizer in this could be production and logistics. Mad Cool doesn't have much of a track record and what they have isn't great. Coachella is a guaranteed slam dunk in that department every year so it's certainly a safer bet. I'm a little worried that Mad Cool oversells their fest and doesn't have the infrastructure in place to deal with what should be a massive crowd.”
It sounds like they’ll be sticking to a cap of 65,000 people per day, even though the space is permitted to hold up to 80,000. Not to mention, for a few hundred extra the VIP isn’t a bad option for this lineup, since they somehow managed to book a lineup with 11 bands that have headlined fairly large festivals and an undercard to match.
But agreed, Coachella does have festival logistics down to a science and anytime a festival goes to a new location with 7 stages the potential for some hiccups is there. It is in a better location overall than the old one for public transportation.
Also, you get to go to Spain, which is awesome in its own right, festival or not.
True, but as another user said recently, just going to Europe for a festival and not checking out the festival's city or even country is a huge missed opportunity.
Coachella Cost: Ticket: $400 Flight: $350 Car Rental: $200 Hotel/Airbnb: $500+ = $1450 Total Headliners: Beyonce - Eminem - The Weeknd
Mad Cool Cost: Ticket: $200 Flight: $700 Car Rental: $0 Hotel/Airbnb: $250 = $1150 Total Headliners: Pearl Jam - QOTSA - Jack White - Arctic Monkeys - Depeche Mode - Tame Impala
There are going to be some miscellaneous costs that might even things out, but seems like a pretty easy decision for anyone flying into Coachella.
Id like to point out as someone who lived in madrid for almost half a year, while Madrid is an absolutely unreal city, the location that they are putting Mad Cool at could be really hit or miss as a festival location. Its the first year at this location, and its much closer to a patch of grass off a highway (like Firefly without the Woods), than any other fest. You most likely wont have the same vibes of a Roo or Coachella, and with it being the first year at this location there could be some serious logistical challenges. However, if you are gonna do a whole week, doing 3 days of this fest then 4 days in Madrid would be amazing and a phenomenal vacation.
Edit: Another plus, the Madrid Metro system is amazing so you can really stay anywhere in the city and have pretty easy access to the festival
Post by The Foot Fuckin' Master on Dec 22, 2017 10:07:49 GMT -5
Yeah, frankly, Mad Cool has an awesome lineup, but it's by no means guaranteed to be an amazing festival experience. Gotta set realistic expectations to make an assessment as to whether it will be better than its European/North American counterparts.
Post by thisishappening on Dec 22, 2017 15:29:09 GMT -5
Unquestionably, it’s near impossible to replicate the Coachella experience, but you are talking 1) Spain 2) $100 more than a regular pass to Coachella for VIP 3) a crowd that will likely skew a bit older and be there for the bands playing.
Unquestionably, it’s near impossible to replicate the Coachella experience, but you are talking 1) Spain 2) $100 more than a regular pass to Coachella for VIP 3) a crowd that will likely skew a bit older and be there for the bands playing.
You also have to account for the large price just to get to Spain. I don't see Coachella and Mad Cool being that interchangeable, honestly.
Not sure exactly where you're all flying out of but I did a lot of research into Euro travel last year and coming from Denver I could get to Spain for around $600 round trip if you're patient when looking for plane tickets. Most East coast cities were at least that cheap.
Not sure exactly where you're all flying out of but I did a lot of research into Euro travel last year and coming from Denver I could get to Spain for around $600 round trip if you're patient when looking for plane tickets. Most East coast cities were at least that cheap.
It depends on when you go. If you go in early summer during the off-peak season, it's cheaper. It looks like Mad Cool takes place during peak season, so flights are more expensive.
Not sure exactly where you're all flying out of but I did a lot of research into Euro travel last year and coming from Denver I could get to Spain for around $600 round trip if you're patient when looking for plane tickets. Most East coast cities were at least that cheap.
Do not believe this man. It’s $1,100 round trip from Atlanta.